Is anyone actually harmed by gay marriage?

[Enadail]

οἵτινες μετήλλαξαν τὴν ἀλήθειαν τοῦ θεοῦ ἐν τῷ ψεύδει, καὶ ἐσεβάσθησαν καὶ ἐλάτρευσαν τῇ κτίσει παρὰ τὸν κτίσαντα, ὅς ἐστιν εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας: ἀμήν. διὰ τοῦτο παρέδωκεν αὐτοὺς ὁ θεὸς εἰς πάθη ἀτιμίας: αἵ τε γὰρ θήλειαι αὐτῶν μετήλλαξαν τὴν φυσικὴν χρῆσιν εἰς τὴν παρὰ φύσιν, ὁμοίως τε καὶ οἱ ἄρσενες ἀφέντες τὴν φυσικὴν χρῆσιν τῆς θηλείας ἐξεκαύθησαν ἐν τῇ ὀρέξει αὐτῶν εἰς ἀλλήλους, ἄρσενες ἐν ἄρσεσιν τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην κατεργαζόμενοι καὶ τὴν ἀντιμισθίαν ἣν ἔδει τῆς πλάνης αὐτῶν ἐν ἑαυτοῖς ἀπολαμβάνοντες. καὶ καθὼς οὐκ ἐδοκίμασαν τὸν θεὸν ἔχειν ἐν ἐπιγνώσει, παρέδωκεν αὐτοὺς ὁ θεὸς εἰς ἀδόκιμον νοῦν, ποιεῖν τὰ μὴ καθήκοντα, πεπληρωμένους πάσῃ ἀδικίᾳ πονηρίᾳ πλεονεξίᾳ κακίᾳ, μεστοὺς φθόνου φόνου ἔριδος δόλου κακοηθείας, ψιθυριστάς, καταλάλους, θεοστυγεῖς, ὑβριστάς, ὑπερηφάνους, ἀλαζόνας, ἐφευρετὰς κακῶν, γονεῦσιν ἀπειθεῖς, ἀσυνέτους, ἀσυνθέτους, ἀστόργους, ἀνελεήμονας:

haha I meant the "origional" translation.

There's no such thing, and even if so, its as useless as any other translation. In fact, if anything, modern translations are better then old ones, but are still just that, translations. They lose meaning, they lose inflection, they lose lingual context.

Seriously, do you even know what you're asking for?

[Mavorpen]

haha I meant the "origional" translation.

No one knows exactly what the "original" translation was. Most likely it was in such old English that you would barely be able to understand it.

But we can look to early Christian philosophers and see what THEY believed the verse to be talking about. And guess what? Very early Christians didn't link it to homosexuality, but instead idol worship combined with prostitution/shrine prostitution.For example.

[Jormengand]

No, it's called Rules as Written. Ask any D&D player.

Like D&D has to do with anything! "Rules as written" is just another name for exploiting technicalities.

No, it's another name for doing what it actually tells you to do, rather than making things up on the spot to justify your insane, homophobic beliefs. Do you follow this book, or don't you?

[Blasveck]

haha I meant the "origional" translation.

There's no such thing, and even if so, its as useless as any other translation. In fact, if anything, modern translations are better then old ones, but are still just that, translations. They lose meaning, they lose inflection, they lose lingual context.

Seriously, do you even know what you're asking for?

Hell, Paul seriously might've added the verse about "sexual immorality" himself, and Jesus might've said no such thing.

They were known for writing in their own influences and "translations".

[Chishimotata]

οἵτινες μετήλλαξαν τὴν ἀλήθειαν τοῦ θεοῦ ἐν τῷ ψεύδει, καὶ ἐσεβάσθησαν καὶ ἐλάτρευσαν τῇ κτίσει παρὰ τὸν κτίσαντα, ὅς ἐστιν εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας: ἀμήν. διὰ τοῦτο παρέδωκεν αὐτοὺς ὁ θεὸς εἰς πάθη ἀτιμίας: αἵ τε γὰρ θήλειαι αὐτῶν μετήλλαξαν τὴν φυσικὴν χρῆσιν εἰς τὴν παρὰ φύσιν, ὁμοίως τε καὶ οἱ ἄρσενες ἀφέντες τὴν φυσικὴν χρῆσιν τῆς θηλείας ἐξεκαύθησαν ἐν τῇ ὀρέξει αὐτῶν εἰς ἀλλήλους, ἄρσενες ἐν ἄρσεσιν τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην κατεργαζόμενοι καὶ τὴν ἀντιμισθίαν ἣν ἔδει τῆς πλάνης αὐτῶν ἐν ἑαυτοῖς ἀπολαμβάνοντες. καὶ καθὼς οὐκ ἐδοκίμασαν τὸν θεὸν ἔχειν ἐν ἐπιγνώσει, παρέδωκεν αὐτοὺς ὁ θεὸς εἰς ἀδόκιμον νοῦν, ποιεῖν τὰ μὴ καθήκοντα, πεπληρωμένους πάσῃ ἀδικίᾳ πονηρίᾳ πλεονεξίᾳ κακίᾳ, μεστοὺς φθόνου φόνου ἔριδος δόλου κακοηθείας, ψιθυριστάς, καταλάλους, θεοστυγεῖς, ὑβριστάς, ὑπερηφάνους, ἀλαζόνας, ἐφευρετὰς κακῶν, γονεῦσιν ἀπειθεῖς, ἀσυνέτους, ἀσυνθέτους, ἀστόργους, ἀνελεήμονας:

haha I meant the "origional" translation.

It doesn't exist.

However, this would be a point of interest for you (source: The New Oxford Annotated Bible, New Revised Standard Version)

"26-27: Degrading passions, while Torah forbids a male lying 'with a male as with a woman' (Lev 18:22), Paul's Jewish contemporaries criticized a range of sexual behaviors common in the Greco-Roman world. Although widely read today as a reference to homosexuality, the language of unnatural intercourse was more often used in Paul's day to denote not the orientation of sexual desire but its immoderate indulgence, which was believed to weaken the body (the due penalty)."

All emphasis as in the text.

[North America Inc]

It does harm people because if gay marriage is legalized all the Religious Sects of our country will tell us non stop that this is the death of our nation, the Anti-Christ is coming, and let the Lord's wrath be dealt on all those Liberals. So yes after 2 minutes of hearing that, yes we are harmed by Legalized Gay Marriage.

[Slafstopia]

"men committing shameless acts with men"

Homosexual prostitution maybe

You know what context means, right? When the meaning of something is dependent on what is around it?

Plus, you do realize that the original words were not "men committing shameless acts with me". In fact, not every English translation even uses the same phrases. The Greek meanings were often different.

This. The bit about 666 says something about reckoning the number of the beast (not sure if it's number, or name, or whatever, but that's not important), when in reality it just means calculating - calculating is very different to reckoning.

It does harm people because if gay marriage is legalized all the Religious Sects of our country will tell us non stop that this is the death of our nation, the Anti-Christ is coming, and let the Lord's wrath be dealt on all those Liberals. So yes after 2 minutes of hearing that, yes we are harmed by Legalized Gay Marriage.

Not sure if a joke, or you actually think gay marriage is bad because it will cause people to get annoyed.

After last night's fiasco, I want to make sure.

[Enadail]

It does harm people because if gay marriage is legalized all the Religious Sects of our country will tell us non stop that this is the death of our nation, the Anti-Christ is coming, and let the Lord's wrath be dealt on all those Liberals. So yes after 2 minutes of hearing that, yes we are harmed by Legalized Gay Marriage.

I... I feel like this is supposed to be funny or sarcastic, but I can't find it...

[Chishimotata]

It does harm people because if gay marriage is legalized all the Religious Sects of our country will tell us non stop that this is the death of our nation, the Anti-Christ is coming, and let the Lord's wrath be dealt on all those Liberals. So yes after 2 minutes of hearing that, yes we are harmed by Legalized Gay Marriage.

There are Christian denominations which are cool with gay marriage. The only ones who will whine are fundamentalists and the WBC, and who the hell even takes them seriously?

[4years]

It does harm people because if gay marriage is legalized all the Religious Sects of our country will tell us non stop that this is the death of our nation, the Anti-Christ is coming, and let the Lord's wrath be dealt on all those Liberals. So yes after 2 minutes of hearing that, yes we are harmed by Legalized Gay Marriage.

The ear plug industry will prosper.

[Cadaver breadsticks]

It does harm people because if gay marriage is legalized all the Religious Sects of our country will tell us non stop that this is the death of our nation, the Anti-Christ is coming, and let the Lord's wrath be dealt on all those Liberals. So yes after 2 minutes of hearing that, yes we are harmed by Legalized Gay Marriage.

So we just wait until their incoherent ramblings wear out their voices.

[Siaos]

No one knows exactly what the "original" translation was. Most likely it was in such old English that you would barely be able to understand it.

But we can look to early Christian philosophers and see what THEY believed the verse to be talking about. And guess what? Very early Christians didn't link it to homosexuality, but instead idol worship combined with prostitution/shrine prostitution.For example.

You're preaching to the choir.
It doesn't really matter for me, however, due to the Catholic church's teachings on marriage. Even if it is a sin, I can still support homosexual marriage as a Catholic.

[Enadail]

You know what context means, right? When the meaning of something is dependent on what is around it?

Plus, you do realize that the original words were not "men committing shameless acts with me". In fact, not every English translation even uses the same phrases. The Greek meanings were often different.

This. The bit about 666 says something about reckoning the number of the beast (not sure if it's number, or name, or whatever, but that's not important), when in reality it just means calculating - calculating is very different to reckoning.

I really do feel like everyone should be required to learn at least 2 languages, their native tongue and one language at least somewhat distantly related, so they can learn what translation error means.

[Chishimotata]

It does harm people because if gay marriage is legalized all the Religious Sects of our country will tell us non stop that this is the death of our nation, the Anti-Christ is coming, and let the Lord's wrath be dealt on all those Liberals. So yes after 2 minutes of hearing that, yes we are harmed by Legalized Gay Marriage.

I... I feel like this is supposed to be funny or sarcastic, but I can't find it...

Translation: "the WBC and the fundies will start whining if gay marriage was legalized, ergo let's pacify them and leave the status quo".

[The Norgan Alliance]

Find where it says anything about prostitution then.

Do you know what context means?

Again, quote where it talks about prostitution.

[Mavorpen]

But we can look to early Christian philosophers and see what THEY believed the verse to be talking about. And guess what? Very early Christians didn't link it to homosexuality, but instead idol worship combined with prostitution/shrine prostitution.For example.

You're preaching to the choir.
It doesn't really matter for me, however, due to the Catholic church's teachings on marriage. Even if it is a sin, I can still support homosexual marriage as a Catholic.

Honestly I'm tired of people using the Bible for this subject because it almost ALWAYS derails the thread to a discussion not about homosexual marriage, but about the Bible.

[North America Inc]

It does harm people because if gay marriage is legalized all the Religious Sects of our country will tell us non stop that this is the death of our nation, the Anti-Christ is coming, and let the Lord's wrath be dealt on all those Liberals. So yes after 2 minutes of hearing that, yes we are harmed by Legalized Gay Marriage.

The ear plug industry will prosper.

Yes, yes it would.

[Mavorpen]

Again, quote where it talks about prostitution.

Again, do you know what context means?

[Slafstopia]

This. The bit about 666 says something about reckoning the number of the beast (not sure if it's number, or name, or whatever, but that's not important), when in reality it just means calculating - calculating is very different to reckoning.

I really do feel like everyone should be required to learn at least 2 languages, their native tongue and one language at least somewhat distantly related, so they can learn what translation error means.

You'll be pleased to know that in my school, they force you to do a GCSE in at least one foreign language, since it's a 'language college,' whatever that means.

[Cody Roberson]

I'm generally conservative but gay marriage doesn't harm anyone more or less than straight marriage. Though I consider it morally wrong, who am I to tell someone who they can and cannot marry.

[The Norgan Alliance]

Again, quote where it talks about prostitution.

Again, do you know what context means?

Yes, what is your point?

[Enadail]

Again, do you know what context means?

Yes, what is your point?

Well, given you keep asking for specific quotes that don't exist, its pretty clear you don't know what context means.

[Siaos]

You're preaching to the choir.
It doesn't really matter for me, however, due to the Catholic church's teachings on marriage. Even if it is a sin, I can still support homosexual marriage as a Catholic.

Honestly I'm tired of people using the Bible for this subject because it almost ALWAYS derails the thread to a discussion not about homosexual marriage, but about the Bible.

I know, it's really ridiculous.
The problem is most people don't seem to understand separation of church and state, and the fact that most major religions actually support that over forcing their views on everyone.

[Chishimotata]

Again, do you know what context means?

Yes, what is your point?

[T]his would be a point of interest for you (source: The New Oxford Annotated Bible, New Revised Standard Version)

"26-27: Degrading passions, while Torah forbids a male lying 'with a male as with a woman' (Lev 18:22), Paul's Jewish contemporaries criticized a range of sexual behaviors common in the Greco-Roman world. Although widely read today as a reference to homosexuality, the language of unnatural intercourse was more often used in Paul's day to denote not the orientation of sexual desire but its immoderate indulgence, which was believed to weaken the body (the due penalty)."

All emphasis as in the text.

[Mavorpen]

Again, do you know what context means?

Yes, what is your point?

The point is that reading a text such as the New Testament WITHOUT understanding anything about the historical context, is idiotic.

Not to mention that I've never said it's JUST about prostitution. It's referring to all deviant sexual acts that plagued Corinth. The primary problem Paul had with it was the fact these sexual acts were being done using a Pagan basis in which they worshiped idols/"false gods."