Is anyone actually harmed by gay marriage?

[The Norgan Alliance]

The fact that gay sex is under sexual immorality in the bible, and is therefore a sin.

Stop lying.

I'm not; your link is hard to navigate, twists words, and uses technicalities to its advantage instead of using the actual verses.

[Mavorpen]

I'm not; your link is hard to navigate, twists words, and uses technicalities to its advantage instead of using the actual verses.

No, more like his source uses context. Romans 1:25-31 refers to shrine prostitution, not homosexuality.

[The Norgan Alliance]

I'm not; your link is hard to navigate, twists words, and uses technicalities to its advantage instead of using the actual verses.

No, more like his source uses context. Romans 1:25-31 refers to shrine prostitution, not homosexuality.

"men committing shameless acts with men"

Homosexual prostitution maybe

[Jormengand]

Stop lying.

I'm not; your link is hard to navigate, twists words, and uses technicalities to its advantage instead of using the actual verses.

The source points out the words "Against their nature," or in your source "Contrary to nature." Ironically, a homosexual is actually worse off having hetero sex than homo sex, because it's "Against their nature."

[Mavorpen]

No, more like his source uses context. Romans 1:25-31 refers to shrine prostitution, not homosexuality.

"men committing shameless acts with men"

Homosexual prostitution maybe

No. The sinful part isn't that it's homosexual, but that it's SHRINE PROSTITUTION, wherein they also involved children.

[The Norgan Alliance]

I'm not; your link is hard to navigate, twists words, and uses technicalities to its advantage instead of using the actual verses.

The source points out the words "Against their nature," or in your source "Contrary to nature." Ironically, a homosexual is actually worse off having hetero sex than homo sex, because it's "Against their nature."

More twisting of words and exploitation of technicalities? Shame on you.

[The Norgan Alliance]

"men committing shameless acts with men"

Homosexual prostitution maybe

No. The sinful part isn't that it's homosexual, but that it's SHRINE PROSTITUTION, wherein they also involved children.

Where in that passage does it say anything about either prostitution or children?

[Enadail]

No, more like his source uses context. Romans 1:25-31 refers to shrine prostitution, not homosexuality.

"men committing shameless acts with men"

Homosexual prostitution maybe

You know what context means, right? When the meaning of something is dependent on what is around it?

Plus, you do realize that the original words were not "men committing shameless acts with me". In fact, not every English translation even uses the same phrases. The Greek meanings were often different.

[Mavorpen]

No. The sinful part isn't that it's homosexual, but that it's SHRINE PROSTITUTION, wherein they also involved children.

Where in that passage does it say anything about either prostitution or children?

Do you know what context means?

[The Norgan Alliance]

"men committing shameless acts with men"

Homosexual prostitution maybe

You know what context means, right? When the meaning of something is dependent on what is around it?

Plus, you do realize that the original words were not "men committing shameless acts with me". In fact, not every English translation even uses the same phrases. The Greek meanings were often different.

What was it then? And the actual quote is "men committing shameless acts with men".

[Enadail]

You know what context means, right? When the meaning of something is dependent on what is around it?

Plus, you do realize that the original words were not "men committing shameless acts with me". In fact, not every English translation even uses the same phrases. The Greek meanings were often different.

What was it then? And the actual quote is "men committing shameless acts with men".

No, one of the TRANSLATIONS is "men committing shameless acts with men". And way to pick up on a typo as if that somehow changes my point.

[Chishimotata]

What was it then? And the actual quote is "men committing shameless acts with men".

No, one of the TRANSLATIONS is "men committing shameless acts with men". And way to pick up on a typo as if that somehow changes my point.

I feel like this person's unaware of the constant editing, mistranslations, and others in regards to New Testament works.

[Jormengand]

The source points out the words "Against their nature," or in your source "Contrary to nature." Ironically, a homosexual is actually worse off having hetero sex than homo sex, because it's "Against their nature."

More twisting of words and exploitation of technicalities? Shame on you.

No, it's called Rules as Written. Ask any D&D player.

[The Norgan Alliance]

What was it then? And the actual quote is "men committing shameless acts with men".

No, one of the TRANSLATIONS is "men committing shameless acts with men". And way to pick up on a typo as if that somehow changes my point.

Tell me the original then.

[The Norgan Alliance]

More twisting of words and exploitation of technicalities? Shame on you.

No, it's called Rules as Written. Ask any D&D player.

Like D&D has to do with anything! "Rules as written" is just another name for exploiting technicalities.

[Mavorpen]

No, one of the TRANSLATIONS is "men committing shameless acts with men". And way to pick up on a typo as if that somehow changes my point.

Tell me the original then.

Why the hell does it matter? The context of the verse doesn't demonstrate it's only condemning homosexual acts, but instead acts that were legitimate problems in Corinth such as child/shrine prostitution.

Fuck Paul never even uses the Greek word for homosexual, he created his own word. Why do that if you DIDN'T want it to mean something different?

[The Norgan Alliance]

Tell me the original then.

Why the hell does it matter? The context of the verse doesn't demonstrate it's only condemning homosexual acts, but instead acts that were legitimate problems in Corinth such as child/shrine prostitution.

Fuck Paul never even uses the Greek word for homosexual, he created his own word. Why do that if you DIDN'T want it to mean something different?

Find where it says anything about prostitution then.

[Chishimotata]

No, one of the TRANSLATIONS is "men committing shameless acts with men". And way to pick up on a typo as if that somehow changes my point.

Tell me the original then.

οἵτινες μετήλλαξαν τὴν ἀλήθειαν τοῦ θεοῦ ἐν τῷ ψεύδει, καὶ ἐσεβάσθησαν καὶ ἐλάτρευσαν τῇ κτίσει παρὰ τὸν κτίσαντα, ὅς ἐστιν εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας: ἀμήν. διὰ τοῦτο παρέδωκεν αὐτοὺς ὁ θεὸς εἰς πάθη ἀτιμίας: αἵ τε γὰρ θήλειαι αὐτῶν μετήλλαξαν τὴν φυσικὴν χρῆσιν εἰς τὴν παρὰ φύσιν, ὁμοίως τε καὶ οἱ ἄρσενες ἀφέντες τὴν φυσικὴν χρῆσιν τῆς θηλείας ἐξεκαύθησαν ἐν τῇ ὀρέξει αὐτῶν εἰς ἀλλήλους, ἄρσενες ἐν ἄρσεσιν τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην κατεργαζόμενοι καὶ τὴν ἀντιμισθίαν ἣν ἔδει τῆς πλάνης αὐτῶν ἐν ἑαυτοῖς ἀπολαμβάνοντες. καὶ καθὼς οὐκ ἐδοκίμασαν τὸν θεὸν ἔχειν ἐν ἐπιγνώσει, παρέδωκεν αὐτοὺς ὁ θεὸς εἰς ἀδόκιμον νοῦν, ποιεῖν τὰ μὴ καθήκοντα, πεπληρωμένους πάσῃ ἀδικίᾳ πονηρίᾳ πλεονεξίᾳ κακίᾳ, μεστοὺς φθόνου φόνου ἔριδος δόλου κακοηθείας, ψιθυριστάς, καταλάλους, θεοστυγεῖς, ὑβριστάς, ὑπερηφάνους, ἀλαζόνας, ἐφευρετὰς κακῶν, γονεῦσιν ἀπειθεῖς, ἀσυνέτους, ἀσυνθέτους, ἀστόργους, ἀνελεήμονας:

[The Norgan Alliance]

Tell me the original then.

οἵτινες μετήλλαξαν τὴν ἀλήθειαν τοῦ θεοῦ ἐν τῷ ψεύδει, καὶ ἐσεβάσθησαν καὶ ἐλάτρευσαν τῇ κτίσει παρὰ τὸν κτίσαντα, ὅς ἐστιν εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας: ἀμήν. διὰ τοῦτο παρέδωκεν αὐτοὺς ὁ θεὸς εἰς πάθη ἀτιμίας: αἵ τε γὰρ θήλειαι αὐτῶν μετήλλαξαν τὴν φυσικὴν χρῆσιν εἰς τὴν παρὰ φύσιν, ὁμοίως τε καὶ οἱ ἄρσενες ἀφέντες τὴν φυσικὴν χρῆσιν τῆς θηλείας ἐξεκαύθησαν ἐν τῇ ὀρέξει αὐτῶν εἰς ἀλλήλους, ἄρσενες ἐν ἄρσεσιν τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην κατεργαζόμενοι καὶ τὴν ἀντιμισθίαν ἣν ἔδει τῆς πλάνης αὐτῶν ἐν ἑαυτοῖς ἀπολαμβάνοντες. καὶ καθὼς οὐκ ἐδοκίμασαν τὸν θεὸν ἔχειν ἐν ἐπιγνώσει, παρέδωκεν αὐτοὺς ὁ θεὸς εἰς ἀδόκιμον νοῦν, ποιεῖν τὰ μὴ καθήκοντα, πεπληρωμένους πάσῃ ἀδικίᾳ πονηρίᾳ πλεονεξίᾳ κακίᾳ, μεστοὺς φθόνου φόνου ἔριδος δόλου κακοηθείας, ψιθυριστάς, καταλάλους, θεοστυγεῖς, ὑβριστάς, ὑπερηφάνους, ἀλαζόνας, ἐφευρετὰς κακῶν, γονεῦσιν ἀπειθεῖς, ἀσυνέτους, ἀσυνθέτους, ἀστόργους, ἀνελεήμονας:

haha I meant the "origional" translation.

[4years]

No, one of the TRANSLATIONS is "men committing shameless acts with men". And way to pick up on a typo as if that somehow changes my point.

Tell me the original then.

"גברים מבצעים פעולות בלי בושה עם גברים " or some such. (Hebrew was the original language, correct?)

[Mavorpen]

Why the hell does it matter? The context of the verse doesn't demonstrate it's only condemning homosexual acts, but instead acts that were legitimate problems in Corinth such as child/shrine prostitution.

Fuck Paul never even uses the Greek word for homosexual, he created his own word. Why do that if you DIDN'T want it to mean something different?

Find where it says anything about prostitution then.

Where in that passage does it say anything about either prostitution or children?

Do you know what context means?

[Mavorpen]

Tell me the original then.

"גברים מבצעים פעולות בלי בושה עם גברים " or some such. (Hebrew was the original language, correct?)

No. Paul wrote in Greek.

[Cadaver breadsticks]

οἵτινες μετήλλαξαν τὴν ἀλήθειαν τοῦ θεοῦ ἐν τῷ ψεύδει, καὶ ἐσεβάσθησαν καὶ ἐλάτρευσαν τῇ κτίσει παρὰ τὸν κτίσαντα, ὅς ἐστιν εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας: ἀμήν. διὰ τοῦτο παρέδωκεν αὐτοὺς ὁ θεὸς εἰς πάθη ἀτιμίας: αἵ τε γὰρ θήλειαι αὐτῶν μετήλλαξαν τὴν φυσικὴν χρῆσιν εἰς τὴν παρὰ φύσιν, ὁμοίως τε καὶ οἱ ἄρσενες ἀφέντες τὴν φυσικὴν χρῆσιν τῆς θηλείας ἐξεκαύθησαν ἐν τῇ ὀρέξει αὐτῶν εἰς ἀλλήλους, ἄρσενες ἐν ἄρσεσιν τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην κατεργαζόμενοι καὶ τὴν ἀντιμισθίαν ἣν ἔδει τῆς πλάνης αὐτῶν ἐν ἑαυτοῖς ἀπολαμβάνοντες. καὶ καθὼς οὐκ ἐδοκίμασαν τὸν θεὸν ἔχειν ἐν ἐπιγνώσει, παρέδωκεν αὐτοὺς ὁ θεὸς εἰς ἀδόκιμον νοῦν, ποιεῖν τὰ μὴ καθήκοντα, πεπληρωμένους πάσῃ ἀδικίᾳ πονηρίᾳ πλεονεξίᾳ κακίᾳ, μεστοὺς φθόνου φόνου ἔριδος δόλου κακοηθείας, ψιθυριστάς, καταλάλους, θεοστυγεῖς, ὑβριστάς, ὑπερηφάνους, ἀλαζόνας, ἐφευρετὰς κακῶν, γονεῦσιν ἀπειθεῖς, ἀσυνέτους, ἀσυνθέτους, ἀστόργους, ἀνελεήμονας:

haha I meant the "origional" translation.

So say what you mean. You said you wanted to be provided with the original text, and that is what was provided to you.

[Siaos]

οἵτινες μετήλλαξαν τὴν ἀλήθειαν τοῦ θεοῦ ἐν τῷ ψεύδει, καὶ ἐσεβάσθησαν καὶ ἐλάτρευσαν τῇ κτίσει παρὰ τὸν κτίσαντα, ὅς ἐστιν εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας: ἀμήν. διὰ τοῦτο παρέδωκεν αὐτοὺς ὁ θεὸς εἰς πάθη ἀτιμίας: αἵ τε γὰρ θήλειαι αὐτῶν μετήλλαξαν τὴν φυσικὴν χρῆσιν εἰς τὴν παρὰ φύσιν, ὁμοίως τε καὶ οἱ ἄρσενες ἀφέντες τὴν φυσικὴν χρῆσιν τῆς θηλείας ἐξεκαύθησαν ἐν τῇ ὀρέξει αὐτῶν εἰς ἀλλήλους, ἄρσενες ἐν ἄρσεσιν τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην κατεργαζόμενοι καὶ τὴν ἀντιμισθίαν ἣν ἔδει τῆς πλάνης αὐτῶν ἐν ἑαυτοῖς ἀπολαμβάνοντες. καὶ καθὼς οὐκ ἐδοκίμασαν τὸν θεὸν ἔχειν ἐν ἐπιγνώσει, παρέδωκεν αὐτοὺς ὁ θεὸς εἰς ἀδόκιμον νοῦν, ποιεῖν τὰ μὴ καθήκοντα, πεπληρωμένους πάσῃ ἀδικίᾳ πονηρίᾳ πλεονεξίᾳ κακίᾳ, μεστοὺς φθόνου φόνου ἔριδος δόλου κακοηθείας, ψιθυριστάς, καταλάλους, θεοστυγεῖς, ὑβριστάς, ὑπερηφάνους, ἀλαζόνας, ἐφευρετὰς κακῶν, γονεῦσιν ἀπειθεῖς, ἀσυνέτους, ἀσυνθέτους, ἀστόργους, ἀνελεήμονας:

haha I meant the "origional" translation.

No one knows exactly what the "original" translation was. Most likely it was in such old English that you would barely be able to understand it.

[4years]

"גברים מבצעים פעולות בלי בושה עם גברים " or some such. (Hebrew was the original language, correct?)

No. Paul wrote in Greek.

My mistake.