Greek Internment Camps

[The Tiger Kingdom]

On topic, this is horrible, and I think it is time for Macedonia to reassert its authority. ALEXANDROS!

Who are you to decide if it's horrible? Greece is a country for the Greeks, they have every right to make it the way they want it to be.

Not as part of the EU and UN, they don't.

I support this movement fully, it may just strengthen the Greeks and restore them to their former glory.

"Former glory"? As in the glory that they had a few thousand years ago as a bunch of slaveholding, toga-wearing city-states?
Something tells me that's a pretty far-gone thing to hope for.
And if you can logically trace a path from interning legal immigrants/illegal immigrants/people who "look ethnic" totally indiscriminately will lead to Greece becoming a world superpower, you get one (1) cookie.

A stronger Europe is a stronger world.

Just like how the rise of Nazi Germany proved awesome for Europe.

[New Laikland]

Not as part of the EU and UN, they don't.

"Former glory"? As in the glory that they had a few thousand years ago as a bunch of slaveholding, toga-wearing city-states?
Something tells me that's a pretty far-gone thing to hope for.
And if you can logically trace a path from interning legal immigrants/illegal immigrants/people who "look ethnic" totally indiscriminately will lead to Greece becoming a world superpower, you get one (1) cookie.

Just like how the rise of Nazi Germany proved awesome for Europe.

1. You mean weak, practically powerless organizations that want to financially enslave nations?
2. Surely, you mean a people who were, at the time, the greatest warriors in the world, as well as the greatest thinkers, scientists, who discovered and invented things that we took over 1,500 years to find again? Because humans are genetically united to their own people. Caucasians will band together, as will Africans and others. They can't be mixed together and be successful. (See the US, it's been falling down since segregation was repealed)
3. It did, by far. The Third Reich made scientific and medical advancements and (for the most part) were amazing military tacticians with, in my opinion, the most well organized and powerful (and best looking) military in history.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Not as part of the EU and UN, they don't.

"Former glory"? As in the glory that they had a few thousand years ago as a bunch of slaveholding, toga-wearing city-states?
Something tells me that's a pretty far-gone thing to hope for.
And if you can logically trace a path from interning legal immigrants/illegal immigrants/people who "look ethnic" totally indiscriminately will lead to Greece becoming a world superpower, you get one (1) cookie.

Just like how the rise of Nazi Germany proved awesome for Europe.

1. You mean weak, practically powerless organizations that want to financially enslave nations?

IE the weak, practically powerless organizations that are literally the only thing stopping Greece from being an anarchic hellhole right now due to their own government's incompetence?
Yeah, those ones.

2. Surely, you mean a people who were, at the time, the greatest warriors in the world,

Not something that can be empirically proven.

as well as the greatest thinkers, scientists,

The Chinese beg to differ.

who discovered and invented things that we took over 1,500 years to find again?

because of their own failures in securing them?

Because humans are genetically united to their own people.

Not a genetic thing, more a factor of just "if you're born white, you're probably around white people more".

Caucasians will band together, as will Africans and others.

Because all people of all races behave exactly the same, and have no inherent differences due to literally any factor beyond race.
Congratulations, you've just made an extraordinarily ignorant, incorrect, AND racist assertion about EVERY SINGLE RACE ON THE PLANET. Well done.

They can't be mixed together and be successful. (See the US, it's been falling down since segregation was repealed)

For bigots like you, it sure has been. I really feel bad for you, knowing your racist beliefs are going into the dustbin of history totally unmourned.
For the rest of us, it's been better than what came before.

3. It did, by far. The Third Reich made scientific and medical advancements

It was very important to learn whether or not twins had psychic connections by horrifically torturing one of them and seeing if the other one exhibited pain.
It was also very important to learn how much a normal tank design could be made bigger, dumber, and more impractical to the point of uselessness.
Really. These were important advancements.

and (for the most part) were amazing military tacticians

HAHAH
Yeah, great tacticians. Invading Russia in midsummer/invading Poland/building a shitty airforce commanded by a fatass morphine addict/not hitting Dunkirk/not taking Moscow when they theoretically had the chance/focusing on bullshit and massively expensive wonderweapons instead of better tanks and normal equipment were all great moves.
Spectacular.

with, in my opinion, the most well organized and powerful (and best looking) military in history.

And yet they still got their cities burned and their asses kicked. By their supposed racial inferiors! How embarrassing!
You should probably take your Nazi fetish somewhere else, because the historical record sure as hell doesn't bear that out except as the wet dreams of Neo-Nazis.
Or maybe read a book about WW2 for a change and discover how wrong you are.

[Distruzio]

Who are you to decide if it's horrible? Greece is a country for the Greeks, they have every right to make it the way they want it to be.

Not as part of the EU and UN, they don't.

Yes, they do. Even then. Nothing in the UN or any declarations with Greek participation cede Greek sovereignty.

The EU is a different story. However, nothing in the current Greek political milieu warrants European actions against the government.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Not as part of the EU and UN, they don't.

Yes, they do. Even then. Nothing in the UN or any declarations with Greek participation cede Greek sovereignty.

In no way? So if the Greeks decided to turn these camps into charnel houses, a total "Auschwitz part II" situation, the UN would have no standing to infringe on greece's sovereignty at all?
Because that was what he was saying.

The EU is a different story. However, nothing in the current Greek political milieu warrants European actions against the government.

Not yet, but saying

Greece is a country for the Greeks, they have every right to make it the way they want it to be

implies total greek sovereignty in ANY eventuality.
Which is absolutely not reality.

[Distruzio]

Yes, they do. Even then. Nothing in the UN or any declarations with Greek participation cede Greek sovereignty.

In no way? So if the Greeks decided to turn these camps into charnel houses, a total "Auschwitz part II" situation, the UN would have no standing to infringe on greece's sovereignty at all?
Because that was what he was saying.

Not without ceding credibility... of which the UN holds little, no. I don't believe so. That's Greek business... horrible inhumane business likely to escalate to dangerous levels, but Greek business.

The EU is a different story. However, nothing in the current Greek political milieu warrants European actions against the government.

Not yet, but saying

Greece is a country for the Greeks, they have every right to make it the way they want it to be

implies total greek sovereignty in ANY eventuality.
Which is absolutely not reality.

It absolutely is reality and no amount of bleeding heart warmongering will change that.

[New Laikland]

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1. Seems like they're doing a great job of it, right? They do nothing.
2. So you deny the Spartans and Macedonians (and others I'm forgetting) their deserved power at a time where most "civilization" was just a bunch of barbarians running around?
3. Oh really? Im pretty sure the basis of practically every modern civilization has roots in ancient Greece.
4. I'd blame the Romans or even Ottomans.
5. Because of genetics.
6. Oh my, I just went against a mainstream, liberal opinion, that means I'm wrong, politically incorrect and a supremacist!
7. Racist? I'm pretty sure homosexuality is illegal in most of Africa, punishable by death, and Russia, yet you're the one singling out a Caucasian who's proud of being one without being a supremacist because you hate whites.
8. The first one is a legit experiment, the human mind has supernatural capabilities we aren't aware of. The second one, who really cares. I'm sure advancements in things like computers, rockets (Oh yeah, I wonder who set the basis of the US and USSR space programs to even get us into space), missiles, jet planes, and many more are useless.
9. You mean building an empire spanning from France to the Caucasus, from Norway to North Africa is done by a failed military tactic? You'd also notice the "for the most part", as I acknowledge that Hitler's generosity in not taking Moscow is retarded on many levels.
10. They held out against, what, three superpowers (One of which was the largest empire in history), and countless other nations, betrayed by their Italian allies, and still lasted 7 years inflicting more damage on their enemies during the war than anyone had on them? (With the exception of the US and USSR war crimes by murdering and raping millions of innocent German civilians, something the Wehrmacht soldier were shot for doing)

If you knew the slightest thing about politics, you'd know that I'm not a supremacist (as you seem to be), and that I'm not a Nazi, I do not support Nazism at all. I'm a Fascist, therefore I look down upon Hitler for his actions, but I do acknowledge that the US, UK, USSR and France are the largest criminal organizations in history. Read a book that uses facts to back it up, and not some liberal, anti-German racist garbage. Being proud of being white does not mean we think we're superior, we just want to make ourselves better, and hope other races make themselves better.

[Tsmida Eri]

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Thou shalt not kill.

Love One Another - I think that's in there somewhere too. Just sayin.

Can we please watch the tone of posts being used here? Any time we're dealing with a sensitive/controversial/hot topic, there are going to be emotions running high, and people looking to lynch the opposition. It's human nature.

I'm asking you to please rise above said nature in your debates on these forums. Please, don't troll, flame, bait, etc in replying to one another. Thanks.

I wasn't trying to do anything of the sort, merely stating my opinion on the matter.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

1. Seems like they're doing a great job of it, right? They do nothing.

...I suggest you reread my post.
The EU is the only thing preventing the entire collapse of Greece as a state.

2. So you deny the Spartans and Macedonians (and others I'm forgetting) their deserved power at a time where most "civilization" was just a bunch of barbarians running around?

They had it better than most; not better than all.

3. Oh really? Im pretty sure the basis of practically every modern civilization has roots in ancient Greece.

Through an incredibly bastardized and adapted frame of reference? Perhaps, but then again, we're talking about empires during the time of their existence.

4. I'd blame the Romans or even Ottomans.

Sure, whatever.

5. Because of genetics.

You're getting the cart before the horse, but whatever.

6. Oh my, I just went against a mainstream, liberal opinion, that means I'm wrong, politically incorrect and a supremacist!

You are wrong. Peaceful multiracial societies prove that.
I love how bigots fetishize being demonstrably wrong if it means they can also be "politically incorrect" too.

7. Racist? I'm pretty sure homosexuality is illegal in most of Africa, punishable by death,

Not racism, and not in "most African countries". In some, it is a criminal offense, and in at least a few, it is unofficially a capital offense, even though in Uganda (the usual example country) the bill making it so keeps getting postponed due to international pressure (due to the "powerless" UN, mostly).
So keep grasping at straws. You'll note I never said Uganda is awesome, either.

and Russia, yet you're the one singling out a Caucasian who's proud of being one without being a supremacist because you hate whites.

I don't hate white people.
Bam.
Also, not saying Russia or those African countries are perfect either, so there goes your entire argument.

8. The first one is a legit experiment,

Bull-fucking-shit.

the human mind has supernatural capabilities we aren't aware of.

Which got totally proven, right?
Nope, just a whole bunch of people got tortured to death! Yay! But don't worry, they were Jews and Gypsies (and a whole bunch of other "undesirables", so you probably think they all had it coming.
What utter bullshit.

The second one, who really cares.

The Nazis sure did! Especially Hitler!

I'm sure advancements in things like computers,

Bletchley Park was mainly responsible for that.
So yeah, I guess we can thank the Nazis for inventing a good enough code that the "computer" had to be invented to break it.

rockets (Oh yeah, I wonder who set the basis of the US and USSR space programs to even get us into space),

Frank Whittle, the British guy who invented the turbojet engine?

missiles, jet planes,

Whittle was only a few months behind von Ohain in developing a working jet aircraft, due mostly to bureaucracy.
So yeah, that avenue of progress would have been set back by all of six-nine months. Maybe less!

and many more are useless.

If they weren't useless (which most were), they would've been achieved by the Allies within a few years at most anyway. Are you seriously suggesting that ONLY the NAzis could have come up with a jet aircraft? because that's demonstrably untrue, and that's the only way your argument would have any merit at all.

9. You mean building an empire spanning from France to the Caucasus, from Norway to North Africa

All pissed down their legs within a decade due to incompetence, you'll note.

is done by a failed military tactic?

Hitler was extraordinarily lucky and had the good fortune to have some good military subordinates, most of which fell out of favor, and a few he ordered killed himself. He was constantly and vastly out of his depth due to his inability to delegate and his pathological distrust of people objectively more qualified than him to lead the war effort, replacing them constantly with stooges and political cronies (like Goering and Keitel).
What a great leader!

You'd also notice the "for the most part", as I acknowledge that Hitler's generosity in not taking Moscow is retarded on many levels.

That's a pretty big exception, and far from the only one.

10. They held out against, what, three superpowers (One of which was the largest empire in history), and countless other nations,

For all of about three years, once all the superpowers and the allied forces were brought against them, and with Japan at the Allies' backs.
Not a great show once the hammer really started to come down.

betrayed by their Italian allies,

More like "the Italians got tired of being treated as racial inferiors and cannon fodder for a war that none of them besides Mussolini actually supported".

and still lasted 7 years

They lasted not quite six.
Again, you can just look this stuff up, you know.

inflicting more damage on their enemies during the war than anyone had on them?

HAHA
Seriously? Germany was in ruins. And if you'll remember, they lost the war.
Unless you seriously think all those killed in the Holocaust were enemy combatants, which, given how wrong you regularly are, you just might.

(With the exception of the US and USSR war crimes by murdering and raping millions of innocent German civilians, something the Wehrmacht soldier were shot for doing)

...You actually believe that german soldiers were punished for killing Soviet civilians? What planet are you from? half the time, they were ordered to do it. Ever heard of Lidice, as one tiny example?
And the USSR, I can't speak for. All I can say is the Germans did it first, and never piss off the Russians and think you can get away with it.
And at least the US actually punished those who committed war crimes, as opposed to Germany, who promoted them and made a whole branch of the military for them.

If you knew the slightest thing about politics, you'd know that I'm not a supremacist

You are a supremacist. You excoriate the Allies for their "war crimes" (which in terms of body count, the Germans exceeded during the war by a huge factor), and yet the Holocaust and all the millions of people that died that way were all justified.
Your beliefs literally nauseate me, regardless of how you're lying to yourself.

(as you seem to be),

Who exactly do you think I'm a supremacist for?
This is going to be pretty funny, I can already tell.

and that I'm not a Nazi, I do not support Nazism at all. I'm a Fascist,

How cute.
Honestly, you can create all the bullshit distinctions you want, you're all just as wrong to me.

therefore I look down upon Hitler for his actions,

Nope, you don't.

but I do acknowledge that the US, UK, USSR and France are the largest criminal organizations in history.

Someone's a little bit bitter.
Keep telling yourself that as you stroke the copy of Mein Kampf you got stashed under your pillow at night, a single tear creeping down your cheek.

Read a book that uses facts to back it up,

You'd be amazed at the size and quality of my (actually corporeal, not internet) WW2 library, and how long I've been making use of it.
I'd be happy to TG you citations, if you'd like.

and not some liberal, anti-German racist garbage.

IE stuff that says Hitler wasn't awesome.
Sorry, I think history's on my side.
My deepest sympathies.

Being proud of being white does not mean we think we're superior, we just want to make ourselves better, and hope other races make themselves better. [/quote]
Yeah, and it also apparently means being a Holocaust denier, or even worse, justifier for you.
As such, your version of racial pride, again regardless of how you dress it up to make it seem palatable and to hide the bullshit racism and borderline Nazism at its core, appeals to me in no way, shape, or form.

As this is a threadjack, I intend for this to be my last statement on the matter.

[New Laikland]

Jeez, can you please make your replies more neat

1. The EU is the reason Greece is about to collapse, it's the reason Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal, etc all have economic issues far worse than even France.
2. I can't really say anything on the advancement of China at this time period, but afaik, Greece and China were the two major advanced civilizations at the time, unless you include the Etruscans.
3. Mhm
4. Mhhhmm
5. If you wanted to have a horse and cart, you can get either of those at any point, so not sure what you mean.
6. We're both wrong, actually. Where do you see peaceful multiracial societies? The most "multicultural" societies (Sweden, US, Germany) have literally the highest rape and crime rates in the world. I love how bigots like you use words you don't know the meanings of like it actually means anything.
7. You are being racist, because you think Caucasians are inferior to everyone else, when I'm trying to explain to you that we're all equal and we all have committed crimes. It really isn't relevant, because if the powerless "international community" wasn't pressuring Africa, it would be far worse than it is today.
8. You obviously do hate white people because you seem to single us out for doing something when others are doing far worse things, so you naturally seem bigoted against us.
9. Care to elaborate?
10. What does that have to do with anything? You don't need experiments to know that our brains are capable of things we aren't aware of, they can influence events around us. Before you pull out the racist, evil German card again, how about you educate yourself on the disgusting and inhuman experiments by the US and USSR for no real reason instead of pulling out your personal hatred for an ENTIRE group of people for trying to learn more about humans for the betterment of humanity.
11. I'm sure you're an expert on useless things.
12. Well, there goes Konrad Zuse and countless other computer advancements by the Germans.
13. ME-262, first functional jet aircraft to be put into mass production?
14. Further proving that democracy is a broken system.
15. I'm pretty sure the Japanese and British made major advancements in jet technology, the Germans got there first, however. The fact that it took longer for the largest empire in history, and a superpower to create something than a bombed down, fighting on 3 front, tired nation kinda invalidates your point.
16. Where did I say Hitler was great at military tactics? He made so many useless mistakes because of arrogance, but still nearly conquered the Soviet Union.
17. Your point?
18. 1939, Hitler is forced to invade Poland after Polish fire at German aircraft and cut off supplies to East Prussia. France and the UK (as well as the pre-Commonwealth nations) join in, and remain until 1945. 1940, France falls, goes into resistance groups, the Dutch (also a large empire) fall and go into resistance groups, the Danes, the Norwegians, and a few more. In 1941, Hitler invades the USSR because of arrogance, the US joins in, combat escalates in North Africa. The Third Reich took on all those empires and major world powers and lasted from 1939-1945 with increasing difficulty. Hm.
19. So then why did they go with Hitler in the first place? The power of a popular revolution can take down any government. Since they were too damn lazy to do anything about it, they deserved everything that came their way.
20. 1939-1945, 6 years, my mistake. Way to be mature and pull out childish insults.
21. The majority of cities between the Ukraine and Moscow were in ruins, many cities in England were in ruins, Rotterdam and others were in ruins. They left multiple countries in ruins in exchange for their own, which rebuilt rapidly. The Wehrmacht lost, what, 4-8 million soldiers in the war? The USSR lost over 15 million, the US lost about 500,000 on the eastern and African fronts, the other allies lost quite a high amount. The 2-5 million killed in the Holocaust are insignificant numbers, especially when compared to Stalin's 30+ million innocent civilians and Mao's 60+ million around the same exact time. Not to mention the interment camps for innocent US citizens.
22. I meant rape. If a Wehrmacht soldier raped a woman, he was usually shot. The same cannot be said to the 2+ million Innocent German women raped, impregnated and denied abortions by the Soviets. The Nuernburg trials weren't there for "justice" or punishment, they were there to humiliate the Germans. Don't forgot how many of the "confessions" were reached through torture.
23. How am I a supremacist? I don't believe whites are superior to any other race. We have a right to exist and better ourselves, as does any other race. I don't want to see other races disappear from the world, I enjoy true diversity, but I don't want everyone to mix together to ruin that diversity we spent 240,000 years on. As for war crimes, it's well known that the allies had a WAY higher body count than the Germans.
24. Not quite sure. You believe that whites are inferior, so maybe everyone but us.
25. "Ignorance is bliss"
26. Yep, I do. If I was in his position, I would deport instead of force to work.
27. I've never even read Mein Kampf, nor do I intend to listen to mindless babbling. To deny the crimes against humanity that those governments has made really just proves that you believe Germans are inferior to you.
28. All those books support mainstream opinions, and you haven't read any neutral books or German-sided books, am I right?
29. The truth will always prevail, so your version of history will fall one day.
30. Where did I deny or justify the holocaust?

Your liberal ability to disguise and cover proven facts for a false fantasy world where everything is perfect and on your side amazes me.

[New Laikland]

I just took my time to write this TG and Tiger blocked me, so here it is in response to your last TG.

First, let me just say that my "replying format" is the standard in NSG. Check other threads. Numbering your counterarguments is generally the domain of people who don't know how to use quotes.
Just for the record. I'll use your format here, simply because I don't have the usual posting suite of commands, but that's the normal format.
Second, as you seem determined to continue hijacking the thread for this off-topic debate, I'll spare myself potential mod attention by diverting this to TG.
1. Really? The Greek government (and all the rest of the banana republics you named) borrowing a shitload of money that they stood no chance of ever paying had nothing to do with it? it's all the EU's fault? Wow, that is some economic WIZARDRY! That's almost mind control!
It also undercuts your argument that the EU is powerless, but whatever, that's to be expected.
2. N/A
3. N/A
4. N/A
5. It's an irrelevant point, essentially.
6. Can you prove multiraciality is the cause of that? Or can a whole host of other social, economic, and political reasons play into that?
...You're just gonna blame the immigrants, aren't you?
(also if you think I'm going to take your accusations of being a bigot as anything more than a sick hypocritical joke after you justified the holocaust you've got another thing coming)
7. When did I say I thought Caucasians were inferior, again? Can you quote me?
8. I know this may be hard for you to grasp, but NOT EVERY SINGLE DISAPPROVING COMMENT ABOUT SOME EVENT FROM HISTORY CONDEMNS THE ENTIRE RACE WHO DID IT.
Are you even capable of not seeing a condemnation of the Holocaust as anything other than a declaration of race war on Germany? Is your perspective THAT fucked?
9. It's pointless and bloody cruelty, done at gunpoint to serve a pointless cause.
If you think it's a valid experiment, I heartily suggest you go out there and strap a few electrodes to a twin child and see how fucking far you get explaining that to the cops.
10. I am aware the US (again, I'm not a Russian and they were coming from an entirely different angle on WW2, so I'm not going to be tarred with that brush or try to speak on their behalf) has done bad things. I've never claimed the US to be perfect.
Germany just did more, killed more, and did so as part of official, planned, cold-blooded policy.
So really, as far as these things can be determined, they were the worse ones here.
11. Ooh, cutting. Well, I guess you would think of it as useless, seeing as how it suggests Hitler was anything less than a genius.
12. Again, there was nothing unique that the Germans brought to the table, other than "they got there first". Anybody could have done it with the right people and machinery, and plenty of nations had that.
13. The Gloster Meteor, developed independently of anything German and entered service nine months later? Seriously, all this hullabaloo for nine months of being first? Doesn't amount to much.
The Germans wasted money on the next generation of technology, that didn't end up helping them for shit, when they should've been refining the current generations's tech like the Allies and Sovs were. After all, look who ended up winning.
So they got a bit farther ahead at the jet race, but it cost them probably six months of warmaking capacity, along with all the other pointless shit they made.
14. ...Not democratic bureaucracy, just nobody thinking it was a good idea yet. Which is a problem that the Luftwaffe had in spades with such ideas as "not every aircraft should have dive-bombing capacity". Look up that sad little story.
Nice try, though.
15. The bombed-out nation spent a shitload more time on it at the expense of actual, practical advancements. Focusing on bullshit rockets and jets lost them the war.
All it showed was the Hitler's priorities were fucked.
16. But he didn't, and I doubt he ever could have.
17. That Nazi Germany's rise was not due to fascism, Nazism, Hitler, or whatever, but due to luck, skilled apolitical military officers, and the unwarranted good faith of the democracies of the world.
18. ...Okay, your perspective actually is THAT fucked, considering you believe Hitler's propaganda about Poland. You do realize the SS officers involved in the Poland fakeout admitted that it was a sham, right? Mocked up for the newsreels. People say the Schleswig-Holstein's guns open up on Westerplatte unprovoked, and there was an accidental German invasion of the Polish frontier a full week before September 1 because the existing invasion order (at which the German Army was chomping at the bit to receive) was misread. They were planning the invasion for months.
As to the rest, yeah, he had the great advantage of a mechanized and experienced warfighting state basically built up for him, as well as the collective peacefulness of the entire world to use as cover for his expansions (and it's not like Germany did all of this without basically stealing machinery and slave labor from all its little tribute states like Czechoslovakia and Poland). Once the existing infrastructure came into place, the entire edifice toppled fairly quickly.
And don't forget Japan slowing down the process even more.
19. Because Mussolini was in charge and accountable to no one, further proof that fascism is a broken system.
Heh, and the one time they weren't lazy and took control of their own destiny, you immediately brand them traitors. They just can't win, can they?
20. I'm very sorry I pointed out you were wrong due to your own laziness. My mistake.
21. Yeah, the Germans were great at annihilating civilian targets, I'll give them that, especially defenseless ones like Rotterdam. And yeah, I'm not willing to discount the ten million or so (six million jews plus freemasons, gypsies, gays, jehovah's witnesses, trade unionists, communists, socialists, and other errant resistors like the people of Lidice) as "insignificant" either. Those were millions of people put to death for no other reason than the Nazis' own collective psychoses, and coupled with the bloodshed of the war Hitler started, it's the single greatest tragedy in modern history if not all history, rivalled only by Stalin and Mao's incompetence. And you'll note I'm not defending Stalin, and I'm not defending Mao (who hadn't even started that campaign until at least a decade later), but nice smokescreen attempt.
22. I don't believe that rule ever really got enforced on the Eastern Front, seeing as how the Germans there didn't really see Slavs as people.
23. Well then, how about we just let humanity mix or separate naturally (and peacefully), instead of forcing groups together or slaughtering groups we don't like?
And I have no idea what you're on about for your second point.
24. I don't believe that. I don't believe in racial inferiority at all, but to you, apparently, saying some people of a certain nation did a very bad thing long ago constitutes me saying they're "inferior".
Believe me, that little line of thought isn't going anywhere helpful for you.
25. I know the supposed difference, and you're hiding behind it, but you seem like a standard run-of-the-mill Nazi to me. It makes no difference if you're spouting the same garbage as the guy you're proclaiming not to be like.
26. That's nice, but the extent you're going to defend him isn't helping your position any.
27. Really, keep playing the reverse-racist card all you want. See, this is the sad thing - to you, me saying that the Germans did some pretty bad shit is automatically a verdict against all people of German descent, everywhere. it's automatically a "racist" remark .
Which really just shows how hyper-conscious you are of race. I actually have several close German friends, and I have the utmost respect for them as a nation today, which doesn't take away from how much I hate the German regime of 70 years ago.
28. I have actually read several German oriented books, von Mellenthin's memoirs chief in my memory. There's probably more.
29. Again, keep telling yourself that in lieu of actual truth. Anything that helps you sleep at night.
30. The bit where you said that torturing twins to find bullshit psychic powers was a "valid experiment".
I think it would probably be better for both of us if I just checked the "foe" button and we just ignore each other.

I really don't see how you can insult me over personal preference on something to small. This, I find more organized.

1. They aren't able to print their own money, and there's multiple other things they can't do because of the centralized system. While Germany gets richer, Greece and Italy fall further down because of this system.
5. So was your statement
6. Common sense usually helps here. Stockholm and Malmo are full of crime while the fully Swede areas are fine. Coincidence? Don't think so at all. I live in a 95% white neighborhood, no crime whatsoever. Go north 2 miles, full of crime like robbery and rape and drugs.
7. Your anti-caucasian attitude really shows it.
8. You should take your own words here. You're the one here implying all Germans are evil Nazis, so you're the bigot.
9. It was valid, it was to find the limits of the human brain. Human experimentation is necessary for accurate research.
10. The Germans or the US? Because the US is clearly the worse one.
11. Because being an armchair military expert on nationstates can make you qualified to call a tank that could possibly change the tides of war useless.
12. Exactly, and the Germans did it.
13. They got there first, that's the relevant part, not how close. They brought plenty of things to the table that were unique, and they did more refining of period technology than anyone else. I wouldn't be surprised if those flying saucers were real, as well, that flew.
14. Any form of government that over spreads power is inefficient, slow and useless. Don't see the relevance of the second part.
15. The jets had potential to turn the tides of the war, they didn't have the resources to build them all in time.
16. He wasn't very far from it. He really only wanted Europe, not anything further, hence why he allowed the Soviets to keep Moscow.
17. So almost instantly fixing the dead German economy and turning the nation into a superpower, setting the base for the military was not important?
18. Okay, your perspective actually is THAT fucked, since you believe the allies' propaganda about Germany. I have no idea what "fakeout" you're talking about, what does that even mean? You also realize that multiple Hitler's speeches were "translated" incorrectly and presented to the public as propaganda against him, since he was begging for peace, right?
19. So if fascism is a broken system, how did the Roman Empire survive under it for over 400 years? How did the Third Reich become so powerful and advance it's technology so far without it?
20. You could have pointed it out like a normal person, but instead you decide to pull out immature insults, which really make me doubt your ability to hold an intelligent argument.
21. Yeah, the Allies were great at annihilating civilian targets, I'll give them that, especially defenseless ones like Dresden. The numbers of the holocaust are greatly over-exaggerated, and have little to no proof. Before your time in school takes over, that does not mean I'm a holocaust denier. That means I'm a historical revisionist that looks at facts, instead of taking sides. Smoke screen attempt? Nice job not mentioning the US's camps.
22. Where's your proof of this? Last I checked, plenty of slavic women and men were "Germanized".
23. Because that doesn't work. Humans stick in groups, and we have to fight each other to make progress. My second point was that modern humans have been here for 240,000 years, and we've developed separately for different locations and different ways of life. Diversity is having multiple races of people, such as Asians in Asia, Arabs in the Middle East/North Africa, Europeans in Europe, etc. Not, Asians, Arabs and Africans in Europe while the Europeans are destroyed.
24. Your ignorance and narrow mindedness is why you are such a bigot.
25. That actually made me laugh out loud. You, a liberal, claim to hate people like Nazis, but in reality, you're worse than them. Good work on your logic, mate.
26. Because I'm using facts from a neutral standpoint, and refuse to hate a person because during a time where everything was propaganda, and the biggest producers of propaganda were the victors?
27. You keep referring to the Germans of the 1940s or so as Nazis. That is hate speech against Germans, because there were many, if not most Germans back then who were not Nazis.
28. You probably just shrugged them off because they differ from your school textbooks.
29. So you deny that the amount of propaganda at that time and afterwards, as well as racial hate motivation against Germans after WWII didn't exist, and that the Germans are evil people? You really are a disgusting bigot.
30. Were you there? Are you a scientist? Do you know what's relevant in an experiment or not?

Why, so you can continue being a Nazi without anyone to counter your opinions, just the way you like it?

[Draakonite]

Godwin was right...

[Mirkana]

8. The first one is a legit experiment, the human mind has supernatural capabilities we aren't aware of.

Congratulations! Your alignment is: Neutral Evil

[Nazi Flower Power]

On behalf of the NSDAP, I am going to sue Greece for trademark infringement. Stupid Greece, stealing our ideas...

[Hathradic States]

Not our problem.

[Stovokor]

Why do fascists tend to use Norse mythological symbols? I am growing increasingly uncomfortable of the groups I am being associate with because of this. Now on to the real issue. These are obvious blatant violations of human rights, but besides that I think this will be the major issue which will have Greece removed from the E.U. Or hopefully cause a change in the political organization of the E.U.

[New Laikland]

Why do fascists tend to use Norse mythological symbols? I am growing increasingly uncomfortable of the groups I am being associate with because of this. Now on to the real issue. These are obvious blatant violations of human rights, but besides that I think this will be the major issue which will have Greece removed from the E.U. Or hopefully cause a change in the political organization of the E.U.

I have no idea, but they're in my flag because of my nation's Norse backround, unrelated to fascism. I hate seeing white supremacist groups and whatnot using Norse symbols, or any political groups, really.

[Draakonite]

Why do fascists tend to use Norse mythological symbols? I am growing increasingly uncomfortable of the groups I am being associate with because of this. Now on to the real issue. These are obvious blatant violations of human rights, but besides that I think this will be the major issue which will have Greece removed from the E.U. Or hopefully cause a change in the political organization of the E.U.

I don't see a violation of human rights in temporary imprisoning illegal immigrants.

[Ralkovia]

Why do fascists tend to use Norse mythological symbols? I am growing increasingly uncomfortable of the groups I am being associate with because of this. Now on to the real issue. These are obvious blatant violations of human rights, but besides that I think this will be the major issue which will have Greece removed from the E.U. Or hopefully cause a change in the political organization of the E.U.

I have no idea, but they're in my flag because of my nation's Norse backround, unrelated to fascism. I hate seeing white supremacist groups and whatnot using Norse symbols, or any political groups, really.

Says the man for Nazism and Fascism.

[New Laikland]

Says the man for Nazism and Fascism.

If you read above (I think), I oppose Nazism and don't even have fully fascist views.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Says the man for Nazism and Fascism.

If you read above (I think), I oppose Nazism and don't even have fully fascist views.

Your signature says you are "for" Fascism and National Socialism.

[New Laikland]

If you read above (I think), I oppose Nazism and don't even have fully fascist views.

Your signature says you are "for" Fascism and National Socialism.

Fascism != Nazism, and I support the actual National Socialism, and not the Nazi garbage

[Vareiln]

So people(Namely, the more disadvantaged members of society) are being rounded up in internment camps, and, as of this moment, 85 of 260 people on NSG don't have a problem with it.
Wow.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Good for Greece. Let them do whatever the fuck they want. It's their country.

Now we just need to hope that Golden Dawn gains power.

Golden Dawn would be a disaster for Greece. The evidence of racism by the organisation is already clear.

[Zavea]

So people(Namely, the more disadvantaged members of society) are being rounded up in internment camps, and, as of this moment, 85 of 260 people on NSG don't have a problem with it.
Wow.

i'm sort of surprised this thread hasn't gotten more attention than it has almost solely because when a state acts like this it's very often one of the first steps that lead to genocide (we've seen this story repeated throughout history several times in our post-WWII earth) and as i understand there was already quite a schism in greece over the treatment of minorities