Greek Internment Camps

[Mkuki]

I'd prefer New Byzantium.

Turkey and Armenia both want to sue you for copyrights.

Screw them. Only Greece has claims to New Byzantium. Not Central Asian nomads.

[Esen]

*dies a little inside*

But I need Greek yogurt :c

I like Greek yogurt too, but most Greek yogurt isn't imported, each country seems to make their own now.

Whew, I feel better now.

[Gauthier]

Greece can actually afford to run an internment camp?

[Ostroeuropa]

To the people voting that it isn't our problem, could you offer an argument as to why?

[Arglorand]

To be completely serious, there is a simple way to end this. Let's just stop saving the Greek economy if they don't cut it out. Kick them from the EU if we must.

[Quintium]

What exactly is wrong with locking up people who commit crimes? If they come there, have their application for citizenship rejected and decide to stay, they should know that's the risk they're taking.

[Esen]

Greece can actually afford to run an internment camp?

Merkel would like to have a word with dem Greeks.

[Agorya]

To the people voting that it isn't our problem, could you offer an argument as to why?

Don't tread on me? *cough*

[The Scientific States]

I wasn't aware of this, and now that I am I am super pissed at Greece.

[Mkuki]

What exactly is wrong with locking up people who commit crimes? If they come there, have their application for citizenship rejected and decide to stay, they should know that's the risk they're taking.

Maybe because they aren't rounding up only immigrants.

[Neoconstantius]

Let the Turks take over Greece and run it properly.

What a horrible idea.

[Arglorand]

Turkey and Armenia both want to sue you for copyrights.

Screw them. Only Greece has claims to New Byzantium. Not Central Asian nomads.

inb4 "turkic nomadic invaders occupying greatur armuniagreek lands that as displayed in this nine centuries old map are rightfully gallic"

[Ostroeuropa]

To be completely serious, there is a simple way to end this. Let's just stop saving the Greek economy if they don't cut it out. Kick them from the EU if we must.

I am serious about military intervention and sanctions.
I'd have the process go thusly:


1. Demand they cease the camps and allow in inspectors to oversee this process.
2. If these demands aren't met, suspend greeces EU membership and place sanctions on them while negotiations begin.
3. If after a few months no progress is made, cease negotiation and terminate greeces EU membership while preparing to mount an invasion.
4. Occupy greece for a while using EU forces. If necessary, divide greece into spheres of occupation and begin a Denazification process.

[The Nuclear Fist]

To the people voting that it isn't our problem, could you offer an argument as to why?

Don't tread on me? *cough*

No excuse for violating human rights.

[Esen]

To be completely serious, there is a simple way to end this. Let's just stop saving the Greek economy if they don't cut it out. Kick them from the EU if we must.

I am serious about military intervention and sanctions.
I'd have the process go thusly:


1. Demand they cease the camps and allow in inspectors to oversee this process.
2. If these demands aren't met, suspend greeces EU membership and place sanctions on them while negotiations begin.
3. If after a few months no progress is made, cease negotiation and terminate greeces EU membership while preparing to mount an invasion.
4. Occupy greece for a while using EU forces. If necessary, divide greece into spheres of occupation and begin a Denazification process.

Kick New Dawn in where it hurts plox.

[The Scientific States]

Don't tread on me? *cough*

No excuse for violating human rights.

He's right, also violating human rights can get you kicked out of the EU.

[Gravlen]

I was wondering why there isn't a thread on this and figured i'd make one.
Are you aware that Greece has recently been rounding up Immigrants, LGBT's, drug users, sex workers, and those in debt into internment camps under the name of Operation Zeus?
What should be done about it, if anything?

In my opinion, immediate international pressure needs to be placed against the greeks to discontinue the camps and to allow inspectors in to oversee this process. If evidence is found of deliberate genocide or passive genocide (by making the camps so awful that people die from the conditions) then military intervention may be required. There must be sanctions, and the government must be brought to trial.

Sources inbound:

http://scriptonitedaily.wordpress.com/2013/07/10/coming-here-soon-greece-imprisoning-poor-immigrants-and-lgbt-in-internment-camps/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ma ... s-migrants
http://www.globalinsecurity.net/greece- ... ansgender/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/ ... GB20120429
http://feministphilosophers.wordpress.c ... ent-camps/
http://www.2ndcouncilhouse.co.uk/blog/2 ... ns-people/


EDIT:
http://act.watchdog.net/petitions/3322? ... 360.vK-3Zb

Petition. Likely useless but screw it.

It has long been known that the asylum system in Greece has broken down, and that asylum seekers and illegal immigrants have been interned in... poor conditions, and treated badly.

The claim that Greek citizens are being held in the same facilities is a new one, however, and unfortunately the sources you've provided which mention this are somewhat lacking (at least one saying the claims are unsubstantiated). You wouldn't happen to have better sources confirming that it's actually happening?

[Mkuki]

To be completely serious, there is a simple way to end this. Let's just stop saving the Greek economy if they don't cut it out. Kick them from the EU if we must.

I am serious about military intervention and sanctions.
I'd have the process go thusly:


1. Demand they cease the camps and allow in inspectors to oversee this process.
2. If these demands aren't met, suspend greeces EU membership and place sanctions on them while negotiations begin.
3. If after a few months no progress is made, cease negotiation and terminate greeces EU membership while preparing to mount an invasion.
4. Occupy greece for a while using EU forces. If necessary, divide greece into spheres of occupation and begin a Denazification process.

What EU forces?

[Diopolis]

In b4 someone points out similarities to the previous thread on this.

I'm sorry, I didn't notice the other thread. Where is it?

It was locked at easter. It was just an interesting thread.

[Arglorand]

To be completely serious, there is a simple way to end this. Let's just stop saving the Greek economy if they don't cut it out. Kick them from the EU if we must.

I am serious about military intervention and sanctions.
I'd have the process go thusly:


1. Demand they cease the camps and allow in inspectors to oversee this process.
2. If these demands aren't met, suspend greeces EU membership and place sanctions on them while negotiations begin.
3. If after a few months no progress is made, cease negotiation and terminate greeces EU membership while preparing to mount an invasion.
4. Occupy greece for a while using EU forces. If necessary, divide greece into spheres of occupation and begin a Denazification process.

Really, they're not as stupid as we tend to think they are. Let's give them a serious, stern threat that will make the consequences of continued being Nazi wannabes clear. They'll come around.

[The Nuclear Fist]

No excuse for violating human rights.

He's right, also violating human rights can get you kicked out of the EU.

Now if only the EU could probably tell Greece to knock that shit off or it's getting occupied. Maybe make a requirement for Turkey joining the EU to do something positive with Greece.

[Agorya]

No excuse for violating human rights.

He's right, also violating human rights can get you kicked out of the EU.

Then why doesn't the UN outlaw neo-Nazism, and march right into Greece with an army.

OH RIGHT.

[Nazis in Space]

To be completely serious, there is a simple way to end this. Let's just stop saving the Greek economy if they don't cut it out. Kick them from the EU if we must.

There's no procedure for kicking countries out of the EU.

Anyone can leave anytime they want, but nobody can be forced to bugger off.

Not sure if single members vetoing things applies to amendments to this particular aspect of EU legislation.

[Gothmogs]

Is Greece really this bad? How come I have never heard of this before...

[Esen]

I am serious about military intervention and sanctions.
I'd have the process go thusly:


1. Demand they cease the camps and allow in inspectors to oversee this process.
2. If these demands aren't met, suspend greeces EU membership and place sanctions on them while negotiations begin.
3. If after a few months no progress is made, cease negotiation and terminate greeces EU membership while preparing to mount an invasion.
4. Occupy greece for a while using EU forces. If necessary, divide greece into spheres of occupation and begin a Denazification process.

Really, they're not as stupid as we tend to think they are. Let's give them a serious, stern threat that will make the consequences of continued being Nazi wannabes clear. They'll come around.

Or just severe ties with them. And kick 'em out of NATO while it's possible.