Should Animal Bloodsports be Legal?

[Geilinor]

There's nothing "natural" or "honorable" about raising any animal to be a fighter.

It's never natural or honorable to kill for fun.

[Tagmatium]

He even kept a photo of his cock in his locker. I don't think he tortured his cock, especially since he made a lot of money from his cock.

Basically...

Anyways, animal bloodsports are pretty barbaric and I think they'd be completely illegal.

I mean, shit, this is why we have computer games these days.

[Northern Dominus]

Except by "banning torture" as you so put it (which is really the only way animals become aggressive enough to fight another animal without much provocation), that essentially trumps virtually all forms of animal fighting. Left to their own devices roosters won't immediately fly at each other and start tearing away, and dogs won't start growling and lunging at each other either. Both are nominally social creatures, so they have to be confined in an inescapable situation and stressed to the point of fighting, which in and of itself is torture.

Again, animals can't consent to that no how much anyone insists that their fighting rooster or dog is a "natural warrior", and usually they're such cowards that even getting backhanded would probably make them curl up in the fetal position.

I want facts that gamecocks are provoked into fighting...

You want facts?
http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/coc ... sheet.html

There, read up, especially the part that says:

While it is true that birds will fight over food, territory, or mates, such fights are generally only to establish dominance within a group (the pecking order) and seldom result in serious injury. This natural behavior is quite different from what happens in staged cockfights, where pairs of birds, bred for maximum aggression (and sometimes given steroids or other drugs to make them more successful fighters), are forced to fight until a winner is declared.

There's nothing "natural" or "honorable" about raising any animal to be a fighter.

It's never natural or honorable to kill for fun.

No, but if the asshats who think cockfighting or dog-fighting (not the aircraft vs aircraft variety but the far crueler one) is so awesome then they can damn well pick up knives and hatchets and fight it out themselves if they're so adamant, otherwise they're just cowardly asshats.

[German-Spanish Empire]

That's with dog fighting, in cockfighting (lawl) animals are only bred and trained to fight. When a cock (lawl) is bred to fight they are natural fighters.

There is no "breeding" for cockfighting. Chickens are nominally flocking animals, so that sort aggression isn't a desirable trait. Yes roosters might fight over hens once in awhile but extremely rarely to the death and never with razors on their legs.

There's nothing "natural" or "honorable" about raising any animal to be a fighter. It's nothing but sensationalism and desensitization by a collection of idiots who are too scared to fight themselves but have no problem inflicting such horrors upon animals that can't realistically fight back.

Notice how Tiger or Bear or Elephant fighting isn't a thing? It's because these animals can pretty handily kill a human the second they get shocked or prodded with a sharp object. So once again, training animals to fight is just plain cowardly.

Telling other people to fight to the death is cowardly because they know well they wouldn't do it.

[Geilinor]

I want facts that gamecocks are provoked into fighting...

You want facts?
http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/coc ... sheet.html

There, read up, especially the part that says:

While it is true that birds will fight over food, territory, or mates, such fights are generally only to establish dominance within a group (the pecking order) and seldom result in serious injury. This natural behavior is quite different from what happens in staged cockfights, where pairs of birds, bred for maximum aggression (and sometimes given steroids or other drugs to make them more successful fighters), are forced to fight until a winner is declared.

It's never natural or honorable to kill for fun.

No, but if the asshats who think cockfighting or dog-fighting (not the aircraft vs aircraft variety but the far crueler one) is so awesome then they can damn well pick up knives and hatchets and fight it out themselves if they're so adamant, otherwise they're just cowardly asshats.

Yes. They are hypocrites if they're okay with forcing animals to fight to the death, but are too cowardly to participate in bloodsports themselves.

[Northern Dominus]

There is no "breeding" for cockfighting. Chickens are nominally flocking animals, so that sort aggression isn't a desirable trait. Yes roosters might fight over hens once in awhile but extremely rarely to the death and never with razors on their legs.

There's nothing "natural" or "honorable" about raising any animal to be a fighter. It's nothing but sensationalism and desensitization by a collection of idiots who are too scared to fight themselves but have no problem inflicting such horrors upon animals that can't realistically fight back.

Notice how Tiger or Bear or Elephant fighting isn't a thing? It's because these animals can pretty handily kill a human the second they get shocked or prodded with a sharp object. So once again, training animals to fight is just plain cowardly.

Telling other people to fight to the death is cowardly because they know well they wouldn't do it.

Then isn't forcing animals to fight after systematically abusing and torturing them just as cowardly?

[German-Spanish Empire]

You want facts?
http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/coc ... sheet.html

There, read up, especially the part that says:

While it is true that birds will fight over food, territory, or mates, such fights are generally only to establish dominance within a group (the pecking order) and seldom result in serious injury. This natural behavior is quite different from what happens in staged cockfights, where pairs of birds, bred for maximum aggression (and sometimes given steroids or other drugs to make them more successful fighters), are forced to fight until a winner is declared.

No, but if the asshats who think cockfighting or dog-fighting (not the aircraft vs aircraft variety but the far crueler one) is so awesome then they can damn well pick up knives and hatchets and fight it out themselves if they're so adamant, otherwise they're just cowardly asshats.

Yes. They are hypocrites if they're okay with forcing animals to fight to the death, but are too cowardly to participate in bloodsports themselves.

I can fight you in a ring and we'll see how that goes...all fist.

[Geilinor]

Telling other people to fight to the death is cowardly because they know well they wouldn't do it.

Then isn't forcing animals to fight after systematically abusing and torturing them just as cowardly?

It's worse, because they don't know the fight could be to the death.

[Geilinor]

Yes. They are hypocrites if they're okay with forcing animals to fight to the death, but are too cowardly to participate in bloodsports themselves.

I can fight you in a ring and we'll see how that goes...all fist.

All fist? Animal bloodsports involve blades attached to legs. If you're too cowardly to do that, by what right can you force animals to do it?

[German-Spanish Empire]

I can fight you in a ring and we'll see how that goes...all fist.

All fist? Animal bloodsports involve blades attached to legs. If you're too cowardly to do that, by what right can you force animals to do it?

First of all it's illegal in most arenas/countries to add blades,some people are so ignorant when it comes to doing research before they decide to criticize someone.

[Northern Dominus]

All fist? Animal bloodsports involve blades attached to legs. If you're too cowardly to do that, by what right can you force animals to do it?

First of all it's illegal in most arenas/countries to add blades,some people are so ignorant when it comes to doing research before they decide to criticize someone.

...your turn, got some proof or source material for that?

[Ardavia]

If you want to legalise cockfighting you might as well legalise gladiatorial fights also.

good idea

[Northern Dominus]

If you want to legalise cockfighting you might as well legalise gladiatorial fights also.

good idea

And I'll stand by my assertion that in order to view gladiatorial fights, one would have to survive X number of rounds as a participant.
Because if you want blood that badly then clearly a person should be equally capable of dishing it out and taking it as an active participant rather than a passive viewer.

[Ardavia]

Sure. If I'm allowed to train first, and have a gun, in a more modern version of it. Obviously, the other guy would have a gun too, but whatever, it' aint gonna happen.

[German-Spanish Empire]

First of all it's illegal in most arenas/countries to add blades,some people are so ignorant when it comes to doing research before they decide to criticize someone.

...your turn, got some proof or source material for that?

I've done my research years before I began liking this sport.

[Northern Dominus]

Sure. If I'm allowed to train first, and have a gun, in a more modern version of it. Obviously, the other guy would have a gun too, but whatever, it' aint gonna happen.

Nope, no guns. Too impersonal. If roosters are forced to slice at each others with razors then surely you can make do with a knife or an axe.

Humans should be privy to the bloodshed and mayhem that somehow they see fit to inflict upon animals in the name of "sport" after all. Not really sporting if you can die via a lucky shot without ever having to get close and get sprayed with your own and the other person's guts and blood now is it?

...your turn, got some proof or source material for that?

I've done my research years before I began liking this sport.

...so no/anecdotal evidence only?

Not exactly backing your own statement up is it? Especially since the source I cited specifically said that fighting roosters are injected with steroids and drugs to make them even more aggressive for a start. Y'know after being tortured and abused into being that aggressive but before being locked in a small space with an equally scared and angry and tortured rooster with razors attached to its legs.

Again, it's sort of cowardly that the people raising and "training" these animals aren't willing to get in their own little box with a knife and stab each other to death...

[Argentina Leone]

No, all animal blood sports should be illegal.