Should Animal Bloodsports be Legal?

[Stroznia]

@those drawing comparisons between animal fighting and human martial sports (boxing, fencing, martial arts, etc.)

The object of an animal fight is to have one animal *kill* the other,
Humans don't try to *kill* each other in martial sports. We follow rules and stop before it gets to that point. At least we do above ground.

Consider that distinction before justifying or condemning one practice by citing the other. Apples and oranges.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I don't see how that's a problem.

I need it for self-defense.

I think it is covered by the 2nd amendment.

[Frisivisia]

@those drawing comparisons between animal fighting and human martial sports (boxing, fencing, martial arts, etc.)

The object of an animal fight is to have one animal *kill* the other,
Humans don't try to *kill* each other in martial sports. We follow rules and stop before it gets to that point. At least we do above ground.

Consider that distinction before justifying or condemning one practice by citing the other. Apples and oranges.

Legalize Dueling 2013

[L Ron Cupboard]

It is strangely fascinating how popular they were in the past, and how strange some of them were. Only one of the following is a lie:

Duck baiting - Charles II was a big fan, also the origin of the Dog and Duck pub name. Ducks would have their flight feathers clipped and would be placed in a pond with dogs.

Cock throwing - throwing cock steels (weighted sticks) at a tethered chicken.

Bishop baiting - A bishop is harried by a pack of jack russell terriers.

Fox tossing - very popular with European aristocracy. Pairs of people line up holding a rope between them, foxes of badgers are released and the players try to throw them into the air by pulling the ropes tight when the run over them.

Goose pulling - take a goose and thoroughly grease its head then suspend it from a pole. Horse riders would then ride past and try to grab the goose by the head to pull its head off.

[Threlizdun]

If you're legislating what people can or can't do, there should be a consistent standard. What is legal for a factory farm to do should also be legal for other types of businesses or for individuals.

What is done in a factory farm should not be legal.

[Frisivisia]

I need it for self-defense.

I think it is covered by the 2nd amendment.

We need to engineer a gun-chicken.

[Nazi Flower Power]

If you're legislating what people can or can't do, there should be a consistent standard. What is legal for a factory farm to do should also be legal for other types of businesses or for individuals.

What is done in a factory farm should not be legal.

Well, thank you for being consistent.

[Norstal]

So it is okay to do terrible things because other people are already doing terrible things?
Why?

Well I've never seen it as too much of a problem. If people can be a-ok with hunting, which can still be pretty brutal, then they should be ok with bear-baiting and cock-fighting, which, whilst brutal, have some commercial and entertainment value. I'm ok with hunting, in fact I have hunted, so... why would I not be fine with this.

Because they can turn on you when you least expected it?

Like giving nukes to a bunch of cavemen. It's fun when you watch them blow themselves up, but why aren't you people thinking about what they can do to others? I mean, shit, you're essentially teaching animals to be psychopaths. That's going to backfire.

Animal abuse laws aren't to protect animals. They're to protect ourselves. So that animals don't turn on people as a whole. For example, you don't want to teach crows to hate people because they'll remember that shit. For generations.

http://news.discovery.com/animals/zoo-a ... 110628.htm

And if crows can do that, I hate to think what dogs are capable of if some idiots decide to make them hate us.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

I'd approve of walrus fighting. Let tusk shatter tusk.

[Stroznia]

What goes on in factory farms, while deplorable, is still preferable to animal fighting. At least the animal cruelty that occurs in factory farms goes on to feed people and sustain some lives.
That stands in marked contrast to killing animals for capricious entertainment. That sustains nobody's life.

[Frisivisia]

What goes on in factory farms, while deplorable, is still preferable to animal fighting. At least the animal cruelty that occurs in factory farms goes on to feed people and sustain some lives.
That stands in marked contrast to killing animals for capricious entertainment. That sustains nobody's life.

What if I feed my family with the money I get betting on the dogs?

[Stroznia]

What goes on in factory farms, while deplorable, is still preferable to animal fighting. At least the animal cruelty that occurs in factory farms goes on to feed people and sustain some lives.
That stands in marked contrast to killing animals for capricious entertainment. That sustains nobody's life.

What if I feed my family with the money I get betting on the dogs?

Dollar bills are full of dietary fiber.

[Mkuki]

Absolutely not. No one should make money off of bloodsports.

[Nazi Flower Power]

What goes on in factory farms, while deplorable, is still preferable to animal fighting. At least the animal cruelty that occurs in factory farms goes on to feed people and sustain some lives.
That stands in marked contrast to killing animals for capricious entertainment. That sustains nobody's life.

You can produce food without keeping the animals in such miserable conditions. Most people that eat meat from factory farms would be healthier eating less of it anyway.

[Nazis in Space]

What goes on in factory farms, while deplorable, is still preferable to animal fighting. At least the animal cruelty that occurs in factory farms goes on to feed people and sustain some lives.
That stands in marked contrast to killing animals for capricious entertainment. That sustains nobody's life.

Conversely, it's been argued that - for example - fighting cocks are treated far, far better than mere consumption-animals until fighting day. They even live longer (particularly if they manage to win fights).

[Nazi Flower Power]

What if I feed my family with the money I get betting on the dogs?

Dollar bills are full of dietary fiber.

They're also accepted at most supermarkets. Contrary to the paranoid ramblings of certain right-wing nutcases, the US is not suffering from hyperinflation a la the Weimar Republic.

[L Ron Cupboard]

If people want to watch animals fight, the only solution I find acceptable would be setting up cameras to film them fighting in the wild, such as stags competing for mates.

[Ty-Ralyain]

Sure, let's have 'em all in place! Entertain the masses with blood! If we can find it and get it to kill something lets do it! Oh, and while we are at it let's reintroduce gladiators using Detroit as the arena.

[Eaglleia]

No.

[Frisivisia]

Sure, let's have 'em all in place! Entertain the masses with blood! If we can find it and get it to kill something lets do it! Oh, and while we are at it let's reintroduce gladiators using Detroit as the arena.

Weren't we already doing that?

[Old Tyrannia]

Killing other sentient beings for sustenance when there are alternative food sources available is bad enough. Killing them in a particularly cruel, degrading and agonizing manner for entertainment is outright sadistic.

[Frisivisia]

Killing other sentient beings for sustenance when there are alternative food sources available is bad enough. Killing them in a particularly cruel, degrading and agonizing manner for entertainment is outright sadistic.

Sentient is an entirely artificial characteristic.

[Ty-Ralyain]

Sure, let's have 'em all in place! Entertain the masses with blood! If we can find it and get it to kill something lets do it! Oh, and while we are at it let's reintroduce gladiators using Detroit as the arena.

Weren't we already doing that?

Eh, I don't think we've got things set up like football teams to kill each other with high powered assault rifles.

[Old Tyrannia]

Killing other sentient beings for sustenance when there are alternative food sources available is bad enough. Killing them in a particularly cruel, degrading and agonizing manner for entertainment is outright sadistic.

Sentient is an entirely artificial characteristic.

From Wikipedia: "Sentience is the ability to feel, perceive, or to experience subjectivity." Sentience is not "artificial." It is a very real characteristic possessed by most, if not all, animals.

[Genivaria]

Animal no, Human yes.
Bring back the gladiators!!
And anyone who says American Gladiators is getting slapped.