Should Animal Bloodsports be Legal?

[Cerberias]

A species of Dog was bred for killing rats during the plague i believe so i think Ratting is fine i also think people should be allowed to fight animals one on one no weapons.

[Threlizdun]

[i]b-but animals have rights too![i/]
No they don't. Only sentients can have rights.

I believe you mean to say sapients. Many nonhuman animals are sentient.

[Geilinor]

[i]b-but animals have rights too![i/]
No they don't. Only sentients can have rights.

I think you're confusing sentience and sapience. Many animals are sentient http://awionline.org/pubs/Quarterly/05_54_2/542p67.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3014747.stm

[Threlizdun]

A species of Dog was bred for killing rats during the plague i believe so i think Ratting is fine

So selective breeding makes everything right? If a breed of dogs was bred specifically to kill human infants, would it then become an acceptable sport?

i also think people should be allowed to fight animals one on one no weapons.

Why?

[Geilinor]

A species of Dog was bred for killing rats during the plague i believe so i think Ratting is fine

So selective breeding makes everything right? If a breed of dogs was bred specifically to kill human infants, would it then become an acceptable sport?

i also think people should be allowed to fight animals one on one no weapons.

Why?

Preventing the spread of disease is a valid self defense reason, in my opinion. Killing animals for public health isn't a sport.

[Threlizdun]

Preventing the spread of disease is a valid self defense reason, in my opinion. Killing animals for public health isn't a sport.

If there is a legitimate public health threat caused by rats that cannot be prevented without killing them, then I will accept it as a regrettable but necessary action. What I was questioning was their acceptance of ratting, as an animal bloodsport, because of the fact that some dog breeds were bred to hunt rats.

[Nazi Flower Power]

How? Either way the animal is in a fight it didn't consent to be part of.

It's the involvement of a second animal.

Which matters why?

[Nazi Flower Power]

And I've never been able to make up my mind which is more important: the animals' right not to be exploited or killed, or the owners' right to do what they want with their animals.

Only allowing animals to be killed for food and some clothing is a good compromise.

That's one acceptable way to handle the issue.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Slavery is different because there you're balancing the rights of two people instead of a person and an animal.

Should animal abuse really be something you want legal?

I don't care very much. As long as it's your own animals, you're not really doing anything worse than what goes on at the average factory farm.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

So when Michael Vick was caught dog fighting,the topic of dog fighting became very popular. Now my question is,what animal blood sports be legal? Now,the only one I think should be legal is Cockfighting (Fighting between to male chickens). The only reason I do support it s because it's all natural! When two male roosters see each other they will fight,forced or not. On the other hand dog fighting I disagree with. Dog fighting is not (from my knowledge, then again I'm fairly dumb) natural at all.

None of them should be legal.

[German-Spanish Empire]

Should animal abuse really be something you want legal?

I don't care very much. As long as it's your own animals, you're not really doing anything worse than what goes on at the average factory farm.

I love you for saying that.

[Rhodesi]

Of course.

[Threlizdun]

Should animal abuse really be something you want legal?

I don't care very much. As long as it's your own animals, you're not really doing anything worse than what goes on at the average factory farm.

So it is okay to do terrible things because other people are already doing terrible things?

Of course.

Why?

[Rhodesi]

I don't care very much. As long as it's your own animals, you're not really doing anything worse than what goes on at the average factory farm.

So it is okay to do terrible things because other people are already doing terrible things?

Of course.

Why?

Well I've never seen it as too much of a problem. If people can be a-ok with hunting, which can still be pretty brutal, then they should be ok with bear-baiting and cock-fighting, which, whilst brutal, have some commercial and entertainment value. I'm ok with hunting, in fact I have hunted, so... why would I not be fine with this.

[Frisivisia]

If you outlaw chickens with blades strapped to them, only outlaws will have chickens with blades strapped to them.

[German-Spanish Empire]

If you outlaw chickens with blades strapped to them, only outlaws will have chickens with blades strapped to them.

Indeed.

[Luveria]

If you outlaw chickens with blades strapped to them, only outlaws will have chickens with blades strapped to them.

I don't see how that's a problem.

[Frisivisia]

If you outlaw chickens with blades strapped to them, only outlaws will have chickens with blades strapped to them.

I don't see how that's a problem.

I need it for self-defense.

[Luveria]

I don't see how that's a problem.

I need it for self-defense.

You defend yourself with chickens?

[Frisivisia]

I need it for self-defense.

You defend yourself with chickens?

With blades. That's the most important part.

[Threlizdun]

Well I've never seen it as too much of a problem. If people can be a-ok with hunting, which can still be pretty brutal, then they should be ok with bear-baiting and cock-fighting, which, whilst brutal, have some commercial and entertainment value. I'm ok with hunting, in fact I have hunted, so... why would I not be fine with this.

Ignoring the fact that I believe hunting is also a terrible and unnecessary practice, hunting can at least be made to be a quick and instant death. Animal blood sports involve forcing animals to battle to the death in a situation where terrible agony is essentially guaranteed for no reason other than extreme sadism. No, it is a disgusting practice that cannot possibly be justified.

[Frisivisia]

Well I've never seen it as too much of a problem. If people can be a-ok with hunting, which can still be pretty brutal, then they should be ok with bear-baiting and cock-fighting, which, whilst brutal, have some commercial and entertainment value. I'm ok with hunting, in fact I have hunted, so... why would I not be fine with this.

Ignoring the fact that I believe hunting is also a terrible and unnecessary practice, hunting can at least be made to be a quick and instant death. Animal blood sports involve forcing animals to battle to the death in a situation where terrible agony is essentially guaranteed for no reason other than extreme sadism. No, it is a disgusting practice that cannot possibly be justified.

It's fun and a good opportunity to gamble?

[Threlizdun]

It's fun and a good opportunity to gamble?

Having fun from the death and suffering of animals is not a healthy behavior. The fact that you can make a profit off of it does not justify the torture and killing of sentient beings.

[Frisivisia]

It's fun and a good opportunity to gamble?

Having fun from the death and suffering of animals is not a healthy behavior. The fact that you can make a profit off of it does not justify the torture and killing of sentient beings.

I dunno. I do enjoy money and suffering.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I don't care very much. As long as it's your own animals, you're not really doing anything worse than what goes on at the average factory farm.

So it is okay to do terrible things because other people are already doing terrible things?

If you're legislating what people can or can't do, there should be a consistent standard. What is legal for a factory farm to do should also be legal for other types of businesses or for individuals.