Should Animal Bloodsports be Legal?

[Arcturus Novus]

How the flying fuck did you not get that?
Here, I'll explain it:
If you're killing for entertainment, then it's cruelty.
If it's cruelty, then it's a sign of psychopathic behavior.
Hunting/fishing/whatever is a sign of psychopathic behavior if and only if the hunting/fishing/whatever is for entertainment.

Really, it's that simple.

Let me explain this to you; find me a source that says recreational fishing and hunting are signs of psychopathy. I do not respect your credentials on the matter.

Most of those sites tend to have a PETA or AFL bias.

[Des-Bal]

I'm asking your opinion. I think that harming sentient animals simply for amusement could be a sign of a psychological problem.

I'm informing you that if that's the case then you should easily be able to find a source for it.

[Des-Bal]

Most of those sites tend to have a PETA or AFL bias.

I'm aware so let me say right now that I won't take blogs or animal rights bullshit. Needs to be a respected source.

[Geilinor]

How the flying fuck did you not get that?
Here, I'll explain it:
If you're killing for entertainment, then it's cruelty.
If it's cruelty, then it's a sign of psychopathic behavior.
Hunting/fishing/whatever is a sign of psychopathic behavior if and only if the hunting/fishing/whatever is for entertainment.

Really, it's that simple.

Let me explain this to you; find me a source that says recreational fishing and hunting are signs of psychopathy. I do not respect your credentials on the matter.

I found a source that says harming animals for amusement is linked to a future of violence, hence a psychological problem.

[Vareiln]

How the flying fuck did you not get that?
Here, I'll explain it:
If you're killing for entertainment, then it's cruelty.
If it's cruelty, then it's a sign of psychopathic behavior.
Hunting/fishing/whatever is a sign of psychopathic behavior if and only if the hunting/fishing/whatever is for entertainment.

Really, it's that simple.

Let me explain this to you; find me a source that says recreational fishing and hunting are signs of psychopathy. I do not respect your credentials on the matter.

I've already displayed sources on animal cruelty being related to psychopathy. I've shown how killing for entertainment is cruelty.
Thus, hunting and fishing, when they are lethal and are done solely for amusement, are cruel, and thus related to psychopathy.
I've already provided the sources. At this point, you're just trying to be dense.

[Des-Bal]

Except I never said that "anyone who hunts is a psychopath".
Nice try, though.
Also, sentience isn't a qualifier for cruelty.

You said anyone who hunts recreationally is a psychopath.

[Des-Bal]

I found a source that says harming animals for amusement is linked to a future of violence, hence a psychological problem.

Recreational hunting and fishing. That is what we are discussing. Not animal abuse. Not animal cruelty. Recreational hunting and fishing.

[New Frenco Empire]

It really depends on opinions. Some think it's cruelty, others not so much. I don't hunt, but I occasionally like fishing. Fish really aren't as sentient as deer.

I'm not a fan of hunting, but thinking anyone who hunts is a psychopath is asinine.

Except I never said that "anyone who hunts is a psychopath".
Nice try, though.
Also, sentience isn't a qualifier for cruelty.

But you're basically saying hunting is a sign of psychopathic behavior. You're implying it.

And, what? You've basically been using sentience as an argument against hunting? What is consistency?

[Vareiln]

Most of those sites tend to have a PETA or AFL bias.

I'm aware so let me say right now that I won't take blogs or animal rights bullshit. Needs to be a respected source.

Oh, right, because these aren't respected sources.

[Des-Bal]

I've already displayed sources on animal cruelty being related to psychopathy. I've shown how killing for entertainment is cruelty.
Thus, hunting and fishing, when they are lethal and are done solely for amusement, are cruel, and thus related to psychopathy.
I've already provided the sources. At this point, you're just trying to be dense.

You are misapplying data. Find me a source that says recreational fishing and hunting are psychotic behavior. Do not make leaps of logic, do not make ridiculous assumptions, find me a source that mentions those specific things.

[Anachronous Rex]

Except neither hunting nor fishing are cruelty.

There's no point in hunting/fishing if you don't plan on utilising or selling the materials it provided. The First Americans held that belief for millenia.

I don't think it is actually possible to make that claim. Assuming you mean only those who lived in modern United States and Canada, we simply don't have much information on their cultures previous to contact with Europeans.

And if we're talking about anything south of that...

[Des-Bal]

Oh, right, because these aren't respected sources.

None of them are relevant.

[Geilinor]

Most of those sites tend to have a PETA or AFL bias.

I'm aware so let me say right now that I won't take blogs or animal rights bullshit. Needs to be a respected source.

I gave you the BBC! Now I'll give you a scholarly source. Even better. https://docs.google.com/viewer?docex=1&url=http://jaapl.org/content/30/2/257.full.pdf
Take another psychiatric source. http://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/newsarticle.aspx?articleid=104591
Now some non PETA or AFL media. http://www.examiner.com/article/animal-abuse-indicates-high-risk-of-psychopathic-disorder
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-equation/201104/children-who-are-cruel-animals-when-worry
Look, not caring about animal abuse is a sign that your psychology isn't normal! http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animal-emotions/201103/caring-about-animal-abuse-has-lot-do-human-psychology

[Terran Faction]

No, they should not be legal because human gladiator fights aren't legal anymore. So much for equality.

[Des-Bal]

I gave you the BBC! Now I'll give you a scholarly source. Even better. https://docs.google.com/viewer?docex=1&url=http://jaapl.org/content/30/2/257.full.pdf
Take another psychiatric source. http://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/newsarticle.aspx?articleid=104591
Now some non PETA or AFL media. http://www.examiner.com/article/animal-abuse-indicates-high-risk-of-psychopathic-disorder
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-equation/201104/children-who-are-cruel-animals-when-worry
Look, not caring about animal abuse is a sign that your psychology isn't normal! http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animal-emotions/201103/caring-about-animal-abuse-has-lot-do-human-psychology

Nobody is debating any of those points. The claim is that recreational fishing and hunting are psychotic behaviors. Find a source that says that.

[Geilinor]

Oh, right, because these aren't respected sources.

None of them are relevant.

You think that killing sentient beings solely for amusement isn't cruelty? So what do you think is cruelty? If you were talking about hunting for food, it would be fine. You're talking about killing sentient creatures because it's fun to watch them die.

[Vareiln]

Except I never said that "anyone who hunts is a psychopath".
Nice try, though.
Also, sentience isn't a qualifier for cruelty.

But you're basically saying hunting is a sign of psychopathic behavior. You're implying it.

And, what? You've basically been using sentience as an argument against hunting? What is consistency?

Not all hunting. Notice all the qualifiers I've put in.

Show me where I've done that. Go, I'll wait.

[Des-Bal]

You think that killing sentient beings solely for amusement isn't cruelty? So what do you think is cruelty? If you were talking about hunting for food, it would be fine. You're talking about killing sentient creatures because it's fun to watch them die.

Find me a source that says recreational hunting and fishing are animal cruelty. How many times have I asked you now? See you've been misapplying sources and you just refuse to let go of the fact that it's a lot of bullshit.

[Vareiln]

Except I never said that "anyone who hunts is a psychopath".
Nice try, though.
Also, sentience isn't a qualifier for cruelty.

You said anyone who hunts recreationally is a psychopath.

My god, how much straw did it take to build that?
I specifically said signs of psychopathic disorders. That does not mean that 100% of all people who hunt or kill animals for amusement are psychopaths.
I've displayed how killing for amusement is a sign of psychopathic disorders. Hunting is usually lethal, but depending on your definition of "recreational", it could be for something other than amusement. Thus meaning my argument and logic would not apply to it.

[Des-Bal]

My god, how much straw did it take to build that?
I specifically said signs of psychopathic disorders. That does not mean that 100% of all people who hunt or kill animals for amusement are psychopaths.
I've displayed how killing for amusement is a sign of psychopathic disorders. Hunting is usually lethal, but depending on your definition of "recreational", it could be for something other than amusement. Thus meaning my argument and logic would not apply to it.

Backpedal a little faster.

[Vareiln]

Oh, right, because these aren't respected sources.

None of them are relevant.

Despite the fact that I've already shown the connection?
If you're just going to keep going "NU-UH!" every time I show you why it is such, then I am quite literally done here.

[Vareiln]

My god, how much straw did it take to build that?
I specifically said signs of psychopathic disorders. That does not mean that 100% of all people who hunt or kill animals for amusement are psychopaths.
I've displayed how killing for amusement is a sign of psychopathic disorders. Hunting is usually lethal, but depending on your definition of "recreational", it could be for something other than amusement. Thus meaning my argument and logic would not apply to it.

Backpedal a little faster.

I fail to see how countering a strawman is backpedaling.

[Des-Bal]

Despite the fact that I've already shown the connection?
If you're just going to keep going "NU-UH!" every time I show you why it is such, then I am quite literally done here.

Find me a source that makes that connection. You are making serious assumptions you are not qualified to make. But please, leave the thread.

[Des-Bal]

I fail to see how countering a strawman is backpedaling.

I thought you were done here?

[Geilinor]

Despite the fact that I've already shown the connection?
If you're just going to keep going "NU-UH!" every time I show you why it is such, then I am quite literally done here.

Find me a source that makes that connection. You are making serious assumptions you are not qualified to make. But please, leave the thread.

Can we finally get back to the topic of animal bloodsports? Also, you don't have the right to make anyone leave the thread.