Should Animal Bloodsports be Legal?

[Vareiln]

Why?

Because it's a person killing an animal rather than two animals killing each other.

And that's somehow better because...?

[Fartsniffage]

Why?

Because it's a person killing an animal rather than two animals killing each other.

Hmmm... Not sure that is enough of a difference. After all, people are animals too.

[New Frenco Empire]

Animal bloodsports? No.

However, human bloodsports...

I'm actually somewhat serious. I'm weird. Best leave me to my own ramblings and extremism.

[Des-Bal]

And that's somehow better because...?

Because people kill animals. I don't see why doing it front of a bunch of cheering people is any different. Forcing two animals to fight is fucked up, forcing one animal to fight a person who enters the situation willingly is cool.

[Des-Bal]

Hmmm... Not sure that is enough of a difference. After all, people are animals too.

I like how people always bring that up in discussions about animal rights like it's something that we all didn't know.

[TaQud]

political smearing

[Vareiln]

And that's somehow better because...?

Because people kill animals. I don't see why doing it front of a bunch of cheering people is any different. Forcing two animals to fight is fucked up, forcing one animal to fight a person who enters the situation willingly is cool.

That's not better at all. There is still an animal being killed for amusement.

[Phocidaea]

Not for "higher animals".

If you want to set up duels between, say, insects, which might be semi-sentient at best, be my guest.

Insects would probably be the limit. Other animals are most definitely sentient. Of course chickens and dogs are conscious and can feel pain. Get one of those animals as pets and it will be pretty obvious.

Insects are just an example. If sentience is the problem, most invertebrates are fair game. The only invertebrates which most people would consider sentient are squid and octopuses, really.

And to someone else, I, for one, have no interest in fighting insects and am somewhat afraid of their entire phylum (except most crustaceans). And to someone else, I am not going to turn this into a fight over whether insects are sentient (most people would say "no", but you seem down to fight an uphill battle).

[Des-Bal]

That's not better at all. There is still an animal being killed for amusement.

I don't have a problem with animals being killed for amusement. I have a problem with forcing animals to fight each other.

[Fartsniffage]

Hmmm... Not sure that is enough of a difference. After all, people are animals too.

I like how people always bring that up in discussions about animal rights like it's something that we all didn't know.

Not an answer though, is it?

[Des-Bal]

Not an answer though, is it?

Wasn't really a question was it?

[Geilinor]

Because people kill animals. I don't see why doing it front of a bunch of cheering people is any different. Forcing two animals to fight is fucked up, forcing one animal to fight a person who enters the situation willingly is cool.

That's not better at all. There is still an animal being killed for amusement.

There's no need to say this, but without consent. It's the same as the modern animal rights based argument against bestiality.

[Vareiln]

That's not better at all. There is still an animal being killed for amusement.

I don't have a problem with animals being killed for amusement. I have a problem with forcing animals to fight each other.

What the fuck. No seriously, what the fuck?

[Geilinor]

Insects would probably be the limit. Other animals are most definitely sentient. Of course chickens and dogs are conscious and can feel pain. Get one of those animals as pets and it will be pretty obvious.

Insects are just an example. If sentience is the problem, most invertebrates are fair game. The only invertebrates which most people would consider sentient are squid and octopuses, really.

And to someone else, I, for one, have no interest in fighting insects and am somewhat afraid of their entire phylum (except most crustaceans). And to someone else, I am not going to turn this into a fight over whether insects are sentient (most people would say "no", but you seem down to fight an uphill battle).

I don't know what would be so attractive about making insects fight anyway. You'd barely be able to see it and it would be over in a very short time.

[Des-Bal]

What the fuck. No seriously, what the fuck?

Not a fan of hunting?

[Fartsniffage]

Not an answer though, is it?

Wasn't really a question was it?

It kinda was. It wasn't explicit but it could be worked out fairly easily.

I guess if is spelled it out then I'd have to ask why would you be okay with people fighting to the death?

[Geilinor]

That's not better at all. There is still an animal being killed for amusement.

I don't have a problem with animals being killed for amusement. I have a problem with forcing animals to fight each other.

Why the difference? A sentient being that can feel pain is still being killed for no reason.

[Geilinor]

Insects would probably be the limit. Other animals are most definitely sentient. Of course chickens and dogs are conscious and can feel pain. Get one of those animals as pets and it will be pretty obvious.

Insects are just an example. If sentience is the problem, most invertebrates are fair game. The only invertebrates which most people would consider sentient are squid and octopuses, really.

And to someone else, I, for one, have no interest in fighting insects and am somewhat afraid of their entire phylum (except most crustaceans). And to someone else, I am not going to turn this into a fight over whether insects are sentient (most people would say "no", but you seem down to fight an uphill battle).

*DEATed*

[Vareiln]

What the fuck. No seriously, what the fuck?

Not a fan of hunting?

You kill things for amusement?
If you hunt for food, that's a somewhat different story, but for amusement?

[Dakini]

Certainly not.

[Des-Bal]

It kinda was. It wasn't explicit but it could be worked out fairly easily.

I guess if is spelled it out then I'd have to ask why would you be okay with people fighting to the death?

The person isn't supposed to be killed in a bullfight the bull is.

[Hathradic States]

Yes, they should. However, well regulated.

[Vareiln]

Insects are just an example. If sentience is the problem, most invertebrates are fair game. The only invertebrates which most people would consider sentient are squid and octopuses, really.

And to someone else, I, for one, have no interest in fighting insects and am somewhat afraid of their entire phylum (except most crustaceans). And to someone else, I am not going to turn this into a fight over whether insects are sentient (most people would say "no", but you seem down to fight an uphill battle).

Invertebrate fish are actually sentient, by the way. http://fishcount.org.uk/fish-welfare-in-commercial-fishing/fish-sentience

Fish aren't invertebrates.
The only non-vertebrate animals referred to as fish colloquially are still chordates.

[Des-Bal]

You kill things for amusement?
If you hunt for food, that's a somewhat different story, but for amusement?

I don't for practical reasons but I would. People hunt recreationally, they do it often. You can turn on the television and watch people hunt and kill an animal and derive amusement from that.

[Geilinor]

Not a fan of hunting?

You kill things for amusement?
If you hunt for food, that's a somewhat different story, but for amusement?

Some people love inflicting pain and suffering. Sentient animals do experience that.