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Archbishop Tutu "won't worship homophobic god"

Postby Neu California » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:18 pm

The BBC wrote:South Africa's Nobel peace laureate Archbishop Desmond Tutu says he will never worship a "homophobic God" and will rather go to hell.

The retired archbishop was speaking at the launch of a UN-backed campaign in South Africa to promote gay rights.

Despite sex-same relationships being legal in South Africa, it had some of the worst cases of homophobic violence, UN human rights chief Navi Pillay said.

Archbishop Tutu, 81, is a long-standing campaigner for gay rights.

'Toilet brush attack'

He retired as Archbishop of Cape Town in 1996, but has remained the moral conscience of the nation, correspondents say.

Same-sex relationships are illegal in more than a third of countries around the world and punishable by death in five, Ms Pillay said.

In Africa, homosexual acts are still a crime in 38 countries, according to the rights group Amnesty International.

"I would refuse to go to a homophobic heaven. No, I would say sorry, I mean I would much rather go to the other place," Archbishop Tutu said at the launch of the Free and Equal campaign in Cape Town.

"I would not worship a God who is homophobic and that is how deeply I feel about this."

Archbishop Tutu said the campaign against homophobia was similar to the campaign waged against racism in South Africa.

"I am as passionate about this campaign as I ever was about apartheid. For me, it is at the same level," he added.

Ms Pillay said gay and lesbian people in South Africa had some of the best legal safeguards since apartheid ended in 1994, but they still faced brutal attacks.

Last month, a lesbian was found dead, having been sexually assaulted with a toilet brush.

"People are literally paying for their love with their lives," she said, AFP news agency reports.

The UN would push for gay rights to be recognised in countries where they are illegal, Ms Pillay said.

"I constantly hear governments tell me, 'but this is our culture, our tradition and we can't change it'... So we have lots of work to do," she added.

Archbishop Tutu won the Nobel peace prize in 1984 for campaigning against white minority rule in South Africa.

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Ignoring the fact that the map in the image link annoys me byexcluding the northernmost African countries, I honestly didn't know that he felt this way and find the idea that Desmond Tutu would be all for gay rights to be a seriously excellent breath of fresh air our of Africa, especially considering his legacy means that he carries a lot of weight.
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Postby Divair » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:21 pm

Desmond Tutu is amazing.

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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:21 pm

I knew he supported LGBT rights, but not this strongly. Damn, you go Mr. Tutu.

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Postby Tagmatium » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:23 pm

Napkiraly wrote:I knew he supported LGBT rights, but not this strongly. Damn, you go Mr. Tutu.

Basically.

Desmond Tutu is perhaps one of the best people.
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Postby Rolling Dead » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:28 pm

Doesn't the RCC allow you to be Homosexual, you just can't Marry, etc. ?


That's a lot more tolerant than most. Is Church Policy different in Africa?

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Postby Divair » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:28 pm

Rolling Dead wrote:Doesn't the RCC allow you to be Homosexual, you just can't Marry, etc. ?


That's a lot more tolerant than most. Is Church Policy different in Africa?

No. Desmond Tutu is just an amazing person.

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Postby Saruhan » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:33 pm

Rolling Dead wrote:Doesn't the RCC allow you to be Homosexual, you just can't Marry, etc. ?


That's a lot more tolerant than most. Is Church Policy different in Africa?

Well, he's not Roman Catholic, so I don't think it effects him
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:33 pm

Divair wrote:Desmond Tutu is amazing.

^ :clap: Long live Archbishop Desmond Tutu! This is probably the only time I'll do this for an Archbishop.
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Postby Bottle » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:34 pm

If only more religious believers had this kind of attitude. Instead of, "Well I HAVE to hate gays/women/blacks/whoever because GOD hates them," how about "Huh, so God apparently hates gays/women/blacks/whoever...that is one fucked up evil God, and I'm way too awesome to have anything to do with that bullshit."
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Postby Blasveck » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:34 pm

Another (important) person supports gay rights (Kinda?)

Tutu is on my list of best peoples
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Postby Nueva Zapatista » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:35 pm

Tutu trumps all the homosexual-hating American missionaries exerting influence in Africa, in a press conference announcement, but those interlopers aren't going away any time. soon.

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Postby Conscentia » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:35 pm

Neu California wrote:Ignoring the fact that the map in the image link annoys me byexcluding the northernmost African countries, [...]
What annoys me more is the absence of South Sudan.
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Postby Agorya » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:37 pm

Bargain with the devil, Mr. Tutu.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:37 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:I knew he supported LGBT rights, but not this strongly. Damn, you go Mr. Tutu.

Basically.

Desmond Tutu is perhaps one of the best people.

I don't know how you can be a better advocate for human rights. He's campaigned against AIDS, tuberculosis, poverty, racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia.
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Postby Lupelia » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:37 pm

This... this almost brought a tear to my eye. Nice to see more people standing up for progress and fairness!
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Postby Thafoo » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:38 pm

Archbishop Tofu will also never worship a homophobic god.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:38 pm

He is, indeed, a sound motherfucker....

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Postby Blasveck » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:38 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:Basically.

Desmond Tutu is perhaps one of the best people.

I don't know how you can be a better advocate for human rights. He's campaigned against AIDS, tuberculosis, poverty, racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia.


So he's like Africa's Pope, but better?
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Postby Britanno » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:39 pm

If only all religious people were like him.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:39 pm

So I was full of trouble, full as I could be; and didn't know what to do. At last I had an idea; and I says, I'll go and write the letter- and then see if I can pray. Why, it was astonishing, the way I felt as light as a feather, right straight off, and my troubles all gone. So I got a piece of paper and a pencil, all glad and excited, and set down and wrote:

Miss Watson your runaway nigger Jim is down here two mile below Pikesville and Mr. Phelps has got him and he will give him up for the reward if you send. HUCK FINN

I felt good and all washed clean of sin for the first time I had ever felt so in my life, and I knowed I could pray now. But I didn't do it straight off, but laid the paper down and set there thinking- thinking how good it was all this happened so, and how near I come to being lost and going to hell. And went on thinking. And got to thinking over our trip down the river; and I see Jim before me, all the time; in the day, and in the night-time, sometimes moonlight, sometimes storms, and we a floating along, talking, and singing, and laughing. But somehow I couldn't seem to strike no places to harden me against him, but only the other kind. I'd see him standing my watch on top of his'n, stead of calling me, so I could go on sleeping; and see him how glad he was when I come back out of the fog; and when I come to him agin in the swamp, up there where the feud was; and such-like times; and would always call me honey, and pet me, and do everything he could think of for me, and how good he always was; and at last I struck the time I saved him by telling the men we had smallpox aboard, and he was so grateful, and said I was the best friend old Jim ever had in the world, and the only one he's got now; and then I happened to look around, and see that paper.

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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:39 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Geilinor wrote:I don't know how you can be a better advocate for human rights. He's campaigned against AIDS, tuberculosis, poverty, racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia.


So he's like Africa's Pope, but better?

Pretty much.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:41 pm

Agorya wrote:Bargain with the devil, Mr. Tutu.

Does anyone actually have to say that. To many here, there is no god nor a devil.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:41 pm

Desmond Tutu opened a peace garden near the park I live on his 2010 tour to Britain. God he is so cool.
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Postby Slafstopia » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:42 pm

Thafoo wrote:Archbishop Tofu will also never worship a homophobic god.


Glory to Archbishop Tofu of the Church of...wait, what religion do you run? Something to do with butts and bean curds?

But yeah, this guy's amazing.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:42 pm

Agorya wrote:Bargain with the devil, Mr. Tutu.


I'm going to go ahead and suspect that God's with the man who has spent his entire career fighting for basic human rights.

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