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Postby Blasveck » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:56 pm

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Geilinor wrote:Then why are you against the UN's campaign? LGBT people are sometimes executed and often imprisoned. You want to allow Taliban-like exremism to occur.


Okay, maybe things like that are a little extreme. But I don't support LGBT "rights" nonetheless. But I'm guessing this will pass because Armageddon is approaching so I think I'd best let things be...and let others do the work.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:56 pm

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Luveria wrote:You're exactly like them.

Stop being an idiot, he isn't a radical.

Stop flaming.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:56 pm

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Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:I don't say creating nationwide same-sex marriage. An alternative that pleases and supports the Greeks and betrays the Trojans without the possibility of they arguing too much could be equally helpful. For example, saying that couples may only marry in their counties of residence so that people of more conservative states don't feel like they weren't allowed to have the people's say, and creating a national system of recognization of cohabitation as a family entity with all rights married couples have just as we did in Brazil in May 2011, and then ending the Constitutional prohibition of entities similar to marriage in the few American states that have it.

I'm not familiar with the political landscape of Latin America. I do know Eastern Europe enough to say that conservativeness is (was?) on a rise, which was really expected with the fall of the USSR. I like your idea though, but it seems kind of tricky, if you know what I mean.

Yes, Latin America is very developed on the issue. The Supreme Cort equalized união estável (i.e. cohabitation), that was disponible to same-sex couples in some states by legislative action since 2005, and gave it family entity powers in May 2011 here in Brazil, while the National Council of Justice equalized união civil (the name we give to our legal marriage, legally possible because of the 2011 decision, as the Brazilian união estável law says they can be converted to marriage) in May 2013. In Argentina, Uruguay and Mexico City they legalized same-sex marriage by legislation.

Court action also made Quintana Roo (a Mexican state) have same-sex marriage in 2012 and made civil unions in Colombia marriage-like in 2013. Lots of Mexican states are due to vote on marriage equality, and the Costa Rican Supreme Court will rule this year whether a tricky legislation they approved this month creates a civil union system or same-sex marriage.

Chile will also vote over creating civil unions and Constitutionally voting banning same-sex marriage this year. The Nicaraguan Constitution, that only legalized homosexuality in 2008, still criminalizes propagandizing homosexuality, and it is an issue taking it out of the law.

About the tricky system for the United States, well, it will end the arguments of God-fearing homophobes because recognizing all single people cohabiting, including polygamists, as having the same rights of married people, would seem like a horrible idea, including the corporates who influence Republican decision-making, so they would only convince the Supreme Court to go back if a majority of states had same-sex marriage so that they didn't care about their heterosexual privilege in marriage anymore.

Or if they voted to end the system creating a nationwide system where marriages are renamed civil unions, much like what we have in Brazil (somebody, that was not Latin American, actually already proposed this here in NSG, because we could then avoid the etymological debate of whether it is right to change the meaning of marriage), and regulate the recognition of cohabitation more tightly.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:57 pm

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Geilinor wrote:Then why are you against the UN's campaign? LGBT people are sometimes executed and often imprisoned. You want to allow Taliban-like exremism to occur.


Okay, maybe things like that are a little extreme. But I don't support LGBT "rights" nonetheless. But I'm guessing this will pass because Armageddon is approaching so I think I'd best let things be...and let others do the work.

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Postby Agritum » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:57 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Then why are you against the UN's campaign? LGBT people are sometimes executed and often imprisoned. You want to allow Taliban-like exremism to occur.


Okay, maybe things like that are a little extreme. But I don't support LGBT "rights" nonetheless. But I'm guessing this will pass because Armageddon is approaching so I think I'd best let things be...and let others do the work.

Ok. Call us and Bruce Willis when it comes.

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Postby Industries (Ancient) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:57 pm

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Industries wrote:
I don't think so .

I don't think christians want to kill gays just because they are against LGBT Rights .

By opposing this, you are supporting allowing these nations and groups to continue killing people because of their sexual orientation or gender idenity.


No i'm not supporting .

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Postby Druach » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:57 pm

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Nowhere does it say 1 man and 1 woman.

Haha there is no say that 1 man and 1 man of marriagble age are to marry. You just quotet the opposite what you said. Yet the document clearly says marriagble woman and man.

In other word homo marriages are not right. The european court confirmsvthat.

Hmm.. last time I checked "The right of men and women" meant that men and women could both found families both heterosexual and homosexual. Now, if the words were singular, "man and woman" then clearly this would be another story. However, they are not.
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Postby Blasveck » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:57 pm

Vazdania wrote:
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And your point is?

There is no point I'm trying to make...I was just stating my opinion, which you needn't consider relevant.


Well, you are correct really. The marriage CERTIFICATE is just something we made up, really.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:57 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Scholencia wrote:Haha there is no say that 1 man and 1 man of marriagble age are to marry. You just quotet the opposite what you said. Yet the document clearly says marriagble woman and man.

In other word homo marriages are not right. The european court confirmsvthat.
No, it says that men and women of marriagable age can marry. In other words, men of marriagable age have the right to marry someone and women of marriagable age have the right to marry someone.

Exactly. It doesn't say 1 man and 1 woman can marry each other. It says that regardless of gender, you can marry whomever you want.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:58 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:Okay, maybe things like that are a little extreme. But I don't support LGBT "rights" nonetheless.
Why not?
But I'm guessing this will pass because Armageddon is approaching so I think I'd best let things be...and let others do the work.
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Postby Bundesdeutschland » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:58 pm

Liriena wrote:
Industries wrote:
I don't think so .

I don't think christians want to kill gays just because they are against LGBT Rights .


You don't think so? Well, then you really need to make plans to move to a parallel universe, then.

Also...if you think that there's no Christians that want to kill homosexuals, then you really need a reality check. Feel free to start with Uganda.


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Postby Liriena » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:58 pm

Industries wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:By opposing this, you are supporting allowing these nations and groups to continue killing people because of their sexual orientation or gender idenity.


No i'm not supporting .

Well, then you should support the UN on this, since otherwise lots of countries will keep killing LGBT people.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:59 pm

Industries wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:By opposing this, you are supporting allowing these nations and groups to continue killing people because of their sexual orientation or gender idenity.


No i'm not supporting .

If you don't support that, support the campaign to prevent it from happening!
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:59 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Then why are you against the UN's campaign? LGBT people are sometimes executed and often imprisoned. You want to allow Taliban-like exremism to occur.


Okay, maybe things like that are a little extreme. But I don't support LGBT "rights" nonetheless. But I'm guessing this will pass because Armageddon is approaching so I think I'd best let things be...and let others do the work.

Oh please, fanatics have been claiming it was the end times since the beginning times.

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Postby Scholencia » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:59 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Scholencia wrote:What is the difference? It is just a stupid paper that does not mean anything.

:palm: It means 1,138 rights. http://www.hrc.org/resources/entry/an-overview-of-federal-rights-and-protections-granted-to-married-couples

It says that marriages are right of a man and woman, not a man and man. Even, hetero people donr see marriages as something necessary.

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Postby Cadaver breadsticks » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:59 pm

Scholencia wrote:
Cadaver breadsticks wrote:Did you just invert your logic? I'm rather confused by what you're trying to say here; and your lack of clarity isn't really helping one bit.

What do you want to know? Are gays humans or what? I cannot also to see your point.

It should come naturally to you that gays are human; the only difference between they and you, for example, is sexuality, which doesn't make a damn difference as to whether someone is human or not.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:59 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Okay, maybe things like that are a little extreme. But I don't support LGBT "rights" nonetheless. But I'm guessing this will pass because Armageddon is approaching so I think I'd best let things be...and let others do the work.

Yes, the world is going to end because we treat everybody equally....
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Postby Bundesdeutschland » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:59 pm

Industries wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:By opposing this, you are supporting allowing these nations and groups to continue killing people because of their sexual orientation or gender idenity.


No i'm not supporting .


Don't support it.
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Postby Need a Name » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:59 pm

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Need a name wrote:Those versus was to the person that thought the bible didn't condemn homosexuality.


I know. I'd just rather you save your breath, and not start anything unnecessary.

I see, but isn't that the point of nationstates? To argue endlessly?
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:59 pm

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Need a name wrote:Stop being an idiot, he isn't a radical.

Stop flaming.

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Postby Divair » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:00 pm

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It says that marriages are right of a man and woman, not a man and man. Even, hetero people donr see marriages as something necessary.

It's outdated. DOMA got repealed. Remember?

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Postby Liriena » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:00 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Liriena wrote:
You don't think so? Well, then you really need to make plans to move to a parallel universe, then.

Also...if you think that there's no Christians that want to kill homosexuals, then you really need a reality check. Feel free to start with Uganda.


Those are the real radicals. Not us.

That doesn't really improve your position.

Instead of genocidal delusions, they're 'merely' authoritarian delusions.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:00 pm

Industries wrote:No i'm not supporting .
Yes, you are. Seven nations still have the death penalty for homosexuality. Many others imprison them. The UN thinks this is wrong. You disagree with UN. You are supporting the ability of other nations to kill, torture, and imprison them.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:00 pm

Scholencia wrote:

It says that marriages are right of a man and woman, not a man and man. Even, hetero people donr see marriages as something necessary.

Yeah that's a gigantic load of bullshit there.

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Postby Industries (Ancient) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:00 pm

Liriena wrote:
Industries wrote:
No i'm not supporting .

Well, then you should support the UN on this, since otherwise lots of countries will keep killing LGBT people.


I won't support any LGBT Issue .

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