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Postby Liriena » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:44 pm

Industries wrote:
Liriena wrote:Except it's a lot harder, since marriage provides thousands of legal rights, obligations and protections. :roll:

Can we please talk about LGBT rights in the context of reality, instead of the Christian Taliban's Fantasyland?


I'm not insulting so please stop insulting Christian Faith .

I have the right to criticize religious fundamentalism as the dangerous piece of shit it is, and that includes Christian fundamentalism.

By the way, thanks for ignoring the fact that I actually responded to your lousy "you can be happy without marriage" argument.
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Postby Industries (Ancient) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:44 pm

Genivaria wrote:
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Just because you say so .

Because the UDHR says so, seriously try to keep up.


I don't recognize that piece of paper legality to decide what is right or not .

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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:44 pm

Industries wrote:
Liriena wrote:Except it's a lot harder, since marriage provides thousands of legal rights, obligations and protections. :roll:

Can we please talk about LGBT rights in the context of reality, instead of the Christian Taliban's Fantasyland?


I'm not insulting so please stop insulting Christian Faith .

Many Christians support LGBT rights.
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Postby Bundesdeutschland » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:44 pm

Liriena wrote:
Bundesdeutschland wrote:Read your Bible. It clearly states that homosexuality is a sin.

Nope.

You really should start living in reality.


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Postby Edlichbury » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:45 pm

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Liriena wrote:Except it's a lot harder, since marriage provides thousands of legal rights, obligations and protections. :roll:

Can we please talk about LGBT rights in the context of reality, instead of the Christian Taliban's Fantasyland?


I'm not insulting so please stop insulting Christian Faith .

This isn't insulting the Christian faith. My Christianity in no way is insulted by them supporting LGBT rights. It's only those with a perverted and immoral understanding of the Bible who believe so.

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Postby Scholencia » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:45 pm

Cadaver breadsticks wrote:
Scholencia wrote:But if they have a human inteligence they would be classified as humans. Just likesome person may see as a human but acts like an animal. That is mostly a case with persons who grew up without human contact, there was such cases.


I dont see your point.

Parrots mimicking human speech means parrots can act like humans, at least in a certain aspect. You didn't say creatures had to hold human intelligence for them to act as such.


Well also not all speaking humans are real humans, although they might think that they are intelligent.

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Postby Bundesdeutschland » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:45 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Industries wrote:
I'm not insulting so please stop insulting Christian Faith .

Many Christians support LGBT rights.


And many DON'T.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:45 pm

Industries wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Because the UDHR says so, seriously try to keep up.


I don't recognize that piece of paper legality to decide what is right or not .

Too bad, your national government does, and you are subject to your national government.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:45 pm

Industries wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Because the UDHR says so, seriously try to keep up.


I don't recognize that piece of paper legality to decide what is right or not .

Too bad.
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Postby Agritum » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:45 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Scholencia wrote:I am to lazy to read the whole declaration. Just show the important parts. The Europeqn court has certainly read the UN documents and there is not such thing that gay mar. are human.right. The judges were rational.

The right of men and women of marriageable age to marry and to found a family shall be recognized.

Nowhere does it say 1 man and 1 woman.

...and I'd like to point out, it doesn't even say "two individuals"

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Postby Industries (Ancient) » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:45 pm

Liriena wrote:
Industries wrote:
I'm not insulting so please stop insulting Christian Faith .

I have the right to criticize religious fundamentalism as the dangerous piece of shit it is, and that includes Christian fundamentalism.

By the way, thanks for ignoring the fact that I actually responded to your lousy "you can be happy without marriage" argument.


No you are insulting Christians by stating we live in a Taliban's Fantasyland .

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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:46 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Many Christians support LGBT rights.


And many DON'T.

And they are wrong
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:46 pm

Industries wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Because the UDHR says so, seriously try to keep up.


I don't recognize that piece of paper legality to decide what is right or not .

Your country did, through your elected representatives. It's democracy. Deal with it. :p
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Postby Edlichbury » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:46 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Many Christians support LGBT rights.


And many DON'T.

And they are wrong.

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Postby Rocopurr » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:46 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Many Christians support LGBT rights.


And many DON'T.

That is true, and I'm glad that laws shouldn't be made by what the Bible supposedly says.
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Postby Southeastern Xiatao » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:46 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Agritum wrote:Christian morality has no place in secular matters and rights.


Marriage is not a secular matter or a right.

I hope you one day will accept gay rights and lesbian rights sir. Cuz religion has no say against homosexual rights. Love is love you cant stop the power of love.
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Postby Scholencia » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:46 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Marriage is not a secular matter.

Yes, it is. Marriage doesn't receive any benefits unless the government recognizes it. You get a civil marriage certificate to be officially married. You can't list yourself as married on documentation unless the government has recorded it.

What is the difference? It is just a stupid paper that does not mean anything.

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Postby Cadaver breadsticks » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:46 pm

Scholencia wrote:
Cadaver breadsticks wrote:Parrots mimicking human speech means parrots can act like humans, at least in a certain aspect. You didn't say creatures had to hold human intelligence for them to act as such.


Well also not all speaking humans are real humans, although they might think that they are intelligent.

Did you just invert your logic? I'm rather confused by what you're trying to say here; and your lack of clarity isn't really helping one bit.
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Postby Agorya » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:47 pm

Lupelia wrote:If I wanted to read a book full of intolerance and lies I'd read something much more interesting, like Warhammer.


SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE.

Sorry. Anyway back on topic.

The UN may be righteous in it's standing for human rights, but in order to get something done it'll need some sort of force, whether it be economical, political, or militant.

Militant is out of the question.

Political will only work if the nation's leaders give in, or are apart of the UN.

Economical is the best bet, yet even can be immoral in some circumstances.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:47 pm

Industries wrote:No you are insulting Christians by stating we live in a Taliban's Fantasyland .
Why? You appear to agree with the Taliban that what recognized governments, international organizations, or health professionals say about homosexuality is irrelevent when your religious beliefs are in question.
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:47 pm

Industries wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Because the UDHR says so, seriously try to keep up.


I don't recognize that piece of paper legality to decide what is right or not .

Yet you misinterpret an ancient document as the grounds for your hatred and bigotry.

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Postby Bundesdeutschland » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:47 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Bundesdeutschland wrote:
And many DON'T.

And they are wrong


Because you say so?
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Postby Liriena » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:47 pm

Industries wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Because the UDHR says so, seriously try to keep up.


I don't recognize that piece of paper legality to decide what is right or not .

Doesn't change the fact that it's still a legally binding piece of paper, and one of the most comprehensive pieces of legislation in terms of human rights ever written.

If you want to live in a world where the freedom to vote, think, speak, love or live as you please is open to arbitrary restrictions, be my guest. I for one like knowing that there's legally binding documents that explicitly say I can't be killed because of my religion, ethnicity, ideology or sexual orientation, and that I have the right to oppose my own government and any political or religious faction that would rather see me dead than living happily.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:47 pm

Scholencia wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Yes, it is. Marriage doesn't receive any benefits unless the government recognizes it. You get a civil marriage certificate to be officially married. You can't list yourself as married on documentation unless the government has recorded it.

What is the difference? It is just a stupid paper that does not mean anything.

:palm: It means 1,138 rights. http://www.hrc.org/resources/entry/an-overview-of-federal-rights-and-protections-granted-to-married-couples
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Postby Need a Name » Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:48 pm

Edlichbury wrote:
Bundesdeutschland wrote:
And many DON'T.

And they are wrong.

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Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

What about these versus that condemn homosexuality?
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