*United Nations* launches **worldwide** gay rights campaign

[Scholencia]

Well, every creatures that that act like humans are indeed humans. We can all agree on that?

Parrots mimic human speech yet they are indeed birds.

But if they have a human inteligence they would be classified as humans. Just likesome person may see as a human but acts like an animal. That is mostly a case with persons who grew up without human contact, there was such cases.


I dont see your point.

[Bundesdeutschland]

I look at it through the moral perspective. Freedom is good but morality is more important. And for Christians, morality is NOT subjective.

Progress...more like oblivion to me.

Christian morality has no place in secular matters and rights.

Marriage is not a secular matter or a right.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Oh, yeah. Marriage is NOT a right.

Then why it must be defended from the "immorality" of "alternative sexual options"?

[Liriena]

God forbid we start treating LGBT people like human beings.

Don't kid yourself, Liri. What we do is illegal, immoral, inhumane and should never be talked about ever.

Oh, that makes it even better. *glomps*

[Condunum]

Christian morality has no place in secular matters and rights.

Marriage is not a secular matter or a right.

Regardless of it being a right or not, it's a secular matter, as it predates the church. Or religion.

[Blasveck]

Please explain why freedom, progress and fairness are bad?

I look at it through the moral perspective. Freedom is good but morality is more important. And for Christians, morality is NOT subjective.

Progress...more like oblivion to me.

If I made a religion that said blacks shouldn't have rights, does that make it ok?

Hint: It's not

Religion isn't law, nor will it ever be.

[Edlichbury]

Please explain why freedom, progress and fairness are bad?

I look at it through the moral perspective. Freedom is good but morality is more important. And for Christians, morality is NOT subjective.

Progress...more like oblivion to me.

I'm sorry, who appointed you king of the Christian morality? Because I greatly disagree with you about gay marriage and yet am a Christian.

[Agritum]

Christian morality has no place in secular matters and rights.

Marriage is not a secular matter or a right.

Civil marriage is a secular matter, and a right warranteed by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

[Genivaria]

Christian morality has no place in secular matters and rights.

Marriage is not a secular matter or a right.

Wrong again. Marriage is a secular institution and a human right.

[Thafoo]

Christian morality has no place in secular matters and rights.

Marriage is not a secular matter or a right.

Marriage actually is a secular matter as it was around long before various religions claimed it to be their own.

[Liriena]

Christian morality has no place in secular matters and rights.

Marriage is not a secular matter or a right.

It is, actually. Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Please, lrn2law

[Lupelia]

Christian morality has no place in secular matters and rights.

Marriage is not a secular matter or a right.

Marriage isn't sorely a religious matter either. Oh and look at Article 16 in the link I just posted.

[Industries (Ancient)]

Marriage is not a right .

1 - So why do straights get married, 2 - but if I decide to marry a guy, and not a girl, it's suddenly not ok?

1 - Because they want to .
2 - You can live happy with your partner without getting married .

[Agorya]

It's not much a culture war as it is social engineering. If you want to start anywhere, then some parts of the US.

I'd rather bet Latin America and Central Europe. The weakness of the Roman Catholic Church isn't forever, and this Pope may turn people more conservative and religious with his popularity. When we are done, then you can work in southern Europe, the Caribbean and Oceania.

American states already have too much autonomy. Just a slap at the butt from the SCOTUS should work.

I don't say creating nationwide same-sex marriage. An alternative that pleases and supports the Greeks and betrays the Trojans without the possibility of they arguing too much could be equally helpful. For example, saying that couples may only marry in their counties of residence so that people of more conservative states don't feel like they weren't allowed to have the people's say, and creating a national system of recognization of cohabitation as a family entity with all rights married couples have just as we did in Brazil in May 2011, and then ending the Constitutional prohibition of entities similar to marriage in the few American states that have it.

I'm not familiar with the political landscape of Latin America. I do know Eastern Europe enough to say that conservativeness is (was?) on a rise, which was really expected with the fall of the USSR. I like your idea though, but it seems kind of tricky, if you know what I mean.

[Threlizdun]

Oh, yeah. Marriage is NOT a right.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights disagrees, and subsequentially every nation that agrees to be subjected to international law.

[NERVUN]

You know, you just had a ban for flaming... Are you really all that eager to get another one? Fool is mild as flames go, but posters who have a history of flaming aren't allowed that much rope.

Especially with liberal mods. I really should be much more careful. I mean after all you do look for reasons to shut me up and ban me from the forums.

If I was the petty tyrant you claim I am, you might have a point. Since I am not however...

Ooh "fool" what a terrible word especially when I want even calling him that but instead just making the general and reasonable claim that people who deny theres still poverty are fools and so he shouldnt do it

plus I have been called much worse and I didnt report it because im not a tattle-taling 3 year old who tries to get dissenters banned from the forums for having views I dont agree with

Enough, people are allowed to report anything which they feel might violate the rules. We encourage that as there's not enough time in the day to read every post. That doesn't make them a tattle tail.

[Genivaria]

I look at it through the moral perspective. Freedom is good but morality is more important. And for Christians, morality is NOT subjective.

Progress...more like oblivion to me.

If I made a religion that said blacks shouldn't have rights, does that make it ok?

Hint: It's not

Religion isn't law, nor will it ever be.

Except in Middle-East shitholes.

[Geilinor]

Christian morality has no place in secular matters and rights.

Marriage is not a secular matter.

Yes, it is. Marriage doesn't receive any benefits unless the government recognizes it. You get a civil marriage certificate to be officially married. You can't list yourself as married on documentation unless the government has recorded it.

[Threlizdun]

1 - So why do straights get married, 2 - but if I decide to marry a guy, and not a girl, it's suddenly not ok?

1 - Because they want to .
2 - You can live happy with your partner without getting married .

That doesn't answer the question

[Cadaver breadsticks]

Parrots mimic human speech yet they are indeed birds.

But if they have a human inteligence they would be classified as humans. Just likesome person may see as a human but acts like an animal. That is mostly a case with persons who grew up without human contact, there was such cases.


I dont see your point.

Parrots mimicking human speech means parrots can act like humans, at least in a certain aspect. You didn't say creatures had to hold human intelligence for them to act as such.

[Rocopurr]

1 - So why do straights get married, 2 - but if I decide to marry a guy, and not a girl, it's suddenly not ok?

1 - Because they want to .
2 - You can live happy with your partner without getting married .

You can marry and be happy too. Marriage has tons of legal benefits.

[Druach]

Will you feel to elaborate why this is a problem?
Seems like a nice thing to do promoting civil rights and all.

Marriage is not a right .

*clears throat*

Article 16 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

(1) Men and* women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
*Please note that no where here does it state 1 man and 1 woman.

[Uiiop]

Christian morality has no place in secular matters and rights.

Marriage is not a secular matter or a right.

Source that it's not secular..also you are aware that Christianity as a whole have differences in their morality right?. Or are you trying pull them out of your scotsman club for being heretics?

[Bundesdeutschland]

I look at it through the moral perspective. Freedom is good but morality is more important. And for Christians, morality is NOT subjective.

Progress...more like oblivion to me.

I'm sorry, who appointed you king of the Christian morality? Because I greatly disagree with you about gay marriage and yet am a Christian.

Read your Bible. It clearly states that homosexuality is a sin. And another thing, I still hate the UN for this.

[Tlik]

Will you feel to elaborate why this is a problem?
Seems like a nice thing to do promoting civil rights and all.

Marriage is not a right .

Irrelevent. Even were it a state benefit, the segregation and unequal offering of it based on distinctions that have no impact would be morally and (at least if you're in the US) constitutionally wrong.