*United Nations* launches **worldwide** gay rights campaign

[Rocopurr]

Woo! Let's lesbian everywhere! Lesbian all the world!

I'd rather lesbians were in my room instead o all over the world, but that's just me. :P

[Olthar]

I don't think Adam and Eve ever actually got married. Who would have married them? There were no governments back then. Clearly, Adam and Eve had premarital sex and bore children out of wedlock. Some "sanctity" that is!

common law!

e: the government was god

Did God have any governmental structure in place? Was there any international acknowledgement that God was a legitimate country? Did God even have a flag?

[Geilinor]

common law!

e: the government was god

Did God have any governmental structure in place?

Yes. It was called the Kingdom of God and encompassed the entire universe!

[Luveria]

It all seems like a very elaborate way of trying to avoid the issue of LGBT marriage equality.

It is. "Instead of expanding the definition of marriage to include more people, let's just ban it!" It's nothing more than a red herring.

They think we're dumb enough to actually fall for that shit. I know they don't care about banning marriage. They only say that to hide how they don't want icky gheys getting married, and expect us not to see it.

[Rocopurr]

It is. "Instead of expanding the definition of marriage to include more people, let's just ban it!" It's nothing more than a red herring.

They think we're dumb enough to actually fall for that shit. I know they don't care about banning marriage. They only say that to hide how they don't want icky gheys getting married, and expect us not to see it.

You'd think that by now people would understand that cliché arguments such as that don't work.

[Fartsniffage]

How would we manage the 1,100 benefits without marriage? 1,100 separate contracts is ridiculous and most people are not legally literate. The poor also may not be able to access a lawyer for those contracts. You don't need a lawyer to get married. The average person can figure out how to register for a marriage certificate. The average person cannot figure out how to get 1,100 contracts made or write their own marriage contract.

It all seems like a very elaborate way of trying to avoid the issue of LGBT marriage equality.

Dude, my brother is gay and in a long term relationship. I live in country that's just passed a gay marriage bill that I totally support. I love him and his boyfriend.

I'm mostly just thinking out loud about how we could improve a system that's thousands of years old and seems to cause a lot of problems in the modern world.

But please, carry on trying to paint me as a homophobe.....

[Hushabagain]

It is. "Instead of expanding the definition of marriage to include more people, let's just ban it!" It's nothing more than a red herring.

They think we're dumb enough to actually fall for that shit. I know they don't care about banning marriage. They only say that to hide how they don't want icky gheys getting married, and expect us not to see it.

I would disagree. They are probably disaffected feminists.

[Olthar]

Did God have any governmental structure in place?

Yes. It was called the Kingdom of God and encompassed the entire universe!

If God was a monarchy, then where is his crown? Checkmate!

[Hushabagain]

Yes. It was called the Kingdom of God and encompassed the entire universe!

If God was a monarchy, then where is his crown? Checkmate!

The fucking Sun (I need sunglasses because I am looking at it right now) (that was for dramatic effect)

[Luveria]

It all seems like a very elaborate way of trying to avoid the issue of LGBT marriage equality.

Dude, my brother is gay and in a long term relationship. I live in country that's just passed a gay marriage bill that I totally support. I love him and his boyfriend.

I'm mostly just thinking out loud about how we could improve a system that's thousands of years old and seems to cause a lot of problems in the modern world.

But please, carry on trying to paint me as a homophobe.....

I've seen it all now. The lesbian sister card and now the gay brother card. Just because you may have an LGBT sibling, it doesn't mean you're someone who cares about marriage equality.

They think we're dumb enough to actually fall for that shit. I know they don't care about banning marriage. They only say that to hide how they don't want icky gheys getting married, and expect us not to see it.

I would disagree. They are probably disaffected feminists.

I can't see any other reason than because they want to make the discussion about the flaws of marriage, to distract everyone from the real flaw how it's not legal for LGBT people.

You'd think that by now people would understand that cliché arguments such as that don't work.

They must think they are so very clever for this inane argument the UN doesn't have the resources (but only when it's about LGBT rights, otherwise the UN is never overstretched), and now these totalitarian ideas to have marriage be time-limited contracts.

[Olthar]

If God was a monarchy, then where is his crown? Checkmate!

The fucking Sun (I need sunglasses because I am looking at it right now) (that was for dramatic effect)

The sun is a ball of flaming gas. It's not a crown.

[Hushabagain]

The fucking Sun (I need sunglasses because I am looking at it right now) (that was for dramatic effect)

The sun is a ball of flaming gas. It's not a crown.

That's what God wants you to think (overflowing with sarcasm right now. In case you didn't notice). The country of France is also a gigantic sheet of toilet paper which will one day be used to wipe Uranus.

[Fartsniffage]

I've seen it all now. The lesbian sister card and now the gay brother card. Just because you may have an LGBT sibling, it doesn't mean you're someone who cares about marriage equality.

Okay White Knight, you win.

[Luveria]

I've seen it all now. The lesbian sister card and now the gay brother card. Just because you may have an LGBT sibling, it doesn't mean you're someone who cares about marriage equality.

Okay White Knight, you win.

White Knight? What do you mean by that?

[Valtakuntia]

And an attempt to cover bigotry.

"I'm not a homophobe guize, really. I care about the UN using its resources efficiently, we can't save starving children and advance gay rights at same time."

It's a shoddy as fuck attempt to hide homophobia.

*sigh...*

How am I hiding homophobia? I think gay marriage should be TOTALLY legal, and the LGBT community should not be denied rights or be prosecuted in any way.

HOWEVER, there are a few things that I think are more important than civil liberties (shocker, I know), i.e. children not starving to death. Imagine you're a starving child in Africa, and someone tells you that you don't have food because some of the nations that are wealthier per capita, than, say, Rwanda, by several orders of magnitude, care more about the right to marry who you want than someone else's right to live.

[Fartsniffage]

Okay White Knight, you win.

White Knight? What do you mean by that?

Bloodsports thread.

[Dakini]

By making sure that nobody has the right, sure.


However, as we've seen from a lot of civilized countries, it's not the end of the fucking world to go through that political fight.

People would still have the right. The right to enter into a contract is protected in the majority of countries and it may even open up a few rights to women in the places where they're still pretty oppressed.

lol. How do you figure? Wouldn't their husbands just agree to sign the more repressive versions of the contracts?

I mean, really, how is this supposed to improve anything at all? We already have an agreement (it's more than a contract) that is protected by all countries (all countries respect each other's marriages as long as the marriages are legal in their country) and you want to replace it with what? A contract that's respected by some countries in which the parties pick and choose---which can mean that they pick and choose versions that are more repressive toward women---for what benefit exactly?


You think the fucking homophobes will be happy that they get to keep "marriage" pure by keeping same sex couples out of it? Is that it?

Or do you just have no clue what marriage entails and what rights come with it?

[Luveria]

"I'm not a homophobe guize, really. I care about the UN using its resources efficiently, we can't save starving children and advance gay rights at same time."

It's a shoddy as fuck attempt to hide homophobia.

*sigh...*

How am I hiding homophobia? I think gay marriage should be TOTALLY legal, and the LGBT community should not be denied rights or be prosecuted in any way.

HOWEVER, there are a few things that I think are more important than civil liberties (shocker, I know), i.e. children not starving to death. Imagine you're a starving child in Africa, and someone tells you that you don't have food because some of the nations that are wealthier per capita, than, say, Rwanda, by several orders of magnitude, care more about the right to marry who you want than someone else's right to live.

That argument has already been proven to be bullshit again and again in this thread, and every time you people ignore it.

If you were really for same-sex marriage then you'd be wanting to see attempts to make it legal.

[Hushabagain]

"I'm not a homophobe guize, really. I care about the UN using its resources efficiently, we can't save starving children and advance gay rights at same time."

It's a shoddy as fuck attempt to hide homophobia.

*sigh...*

How am I hiding homophobia? I think gay marriage should be TOTALLY legal, and the LGBT community should not be denied rights or be prosecuted in any way.

HOWEVER, there are a few things that I think are more important than civil liberties (shocker, I know), i.e. children not starving to death. Imagine you're a starving child in Africa, and someone tells you that you don't have food because some of the nations that are wealthier per capita, than, say, Rwanda, by several orders of magnitude, care more about the right to marry who you want than someone else's right to live.

You do realize that the U.N can do multiple things at once, right? And that they're already taking relatively good care of the different situations in Africa, Southeast Asia, and Central Asia, right?

[Rocopurr]

"I'm not a homophobe guize, really. I care about the UN using its resources efficiently, we can't save starving children and advance gay rights at same time."

It's a shoddy as fuck attempt to hide homophobia.

*sigh...*

How am I hiding homophobia? I think gay marriage should be TOTALLY legal, and the LGBT community should not be denied rights or be prosecuted in any way.

HOWEVER, there are a few things that I think are more important than civil liberties (shocker, I know), i.e. children not starving to death. Imagine you're a starving child in Africa, and someone tells you that you don't have food because some of the nations that are wealthier per capita, than, say, Rwanda, by several orders of magnitude, care more about the right to marry who you want than someone else's right to live.

Yes, there are a lot of other important things. However, I think the UN knows how to multitask so don't you worry!

I've seen it all now. The lesbian sister card and now the gay brother card. Just because you may have an LGBT sibling, it doesn't mean you're someone who cares about marriage equality.

Okay White Knight, you win.

Luv is more of a badass princess than white knight, imo.

[Geilinor]

It all seems like a very elaborate way of trying to avoid the issue of LGBT marriage equality.

Dude, my brother is gay and in a long term relationship. I live in country that's just passed a gay marriage bill that I totally support. I love him and his boyfriend.

I'm mostly just thinking out loud about how we could improve a system that's thousands of years old and seems to cause a lot of problems in the modern world.

But please, carry on trying to paint me as a homophobe.....

Call out the "abolish marriage" crap for what it is then. Don't fall for it.

[Olthar]

"I'm not a homophobe guize, really. I care about the UN using its resources efficiently, we can't save starving children and advance gay rights at same time."

It's a shoddy as fuck attempt to hide homophobia.

*sigh...*

How am I hiding homophobia? I think gay marriage should be TOTALLY legal, and the LGBT community should not be denied rights or be prosecuted in any way.

HOWEVER, there are a few things that I think are more important than civil liberties (shocker, I know), i.e. children not starving to death. Imagine you're a starving child in Africa, and someone tells you that you don't have food because some of the nations that are wealthier per capita, than, say, Rwanda, by several orders of magnitude, care more about the right to marry who you want than someone else's right to live.

Damn! You figured it out!
*Sigh*
Okay, fine. I admit it. All governments are secretly run by Clown College dropouts who only learned how to juggle one ball at a time. It was supposed to be a secret, but you're just too clever for us. You win.

[Valtakuntia]

*sigh...*

How am I hiding homophobia? I think gay marriage should be TOTALLY legal, and the LGBT community should not be denied rights or be prosecuted in any way.

HOWEVER, there are a few things that I think are more important than civil liberties (shocker, I know), i.e. children not starving to death. Imagine you're a starving child in Africa, and someone tells you that you don't have food because some of the nations that are wealthier per capita, than, say, Rwanda, by several orders of magnitude, care more about the right to marry who you want than someone else's right to live.

That argument has already been proven to be bullshit again and again in this thread, and every time you people ignore it.

If you were really for same-sex marriage then you'd be wanting to see attempts to make it legal.

"If you were really for (insert cause here) then you'd (do something)" can be used for literally anything. If YOU were REALLY for same-sex marriage, then you would make it a crime to be in a heterosexual relationship.

[Luveria]

White Knight? What do you mean by that?

Bloodsports thread.

If wanting to see people to be referred to by terms they prefer be called by makes me a white knight trying to get into Olthar's pants, then is this really anything more than you flaming me calling me a white knight here for something in another thread? Do you know what a white knight is, or do you have no other terms to insult me with?

[Geilinor]

Dude, my brother is gay and in a long term relationship. I live in country that's just passed a gay marriage bill that I totally support. I love him and his boyfriend.

I'm mostly just thinking out loud about how we could improve a system that's thousands of years old and seems to cause a lot of problems in the modern world.

But please, carry on trying to paint me as a homophobe.....

I've seen it all now. The lesbian sister card and now the gay brother card. Just because you may have an LGBT sibling, it doesn't mean you're someone who cares about marriage equality.

I would disagree. They are probably disaffected feminists.

I can't see any other reason than because they want to make the discussion about the flaws of marriage, to distract everyone from the real flaw how it's not legal for LGBT people.

You'd think that by now people would understand that cliché arguments such as that don't work.

They must think they are so very clever for this inane argument the UN doesn't have the resources (but only when it's about LGBT rights, otherwise the UN is never overstretched), and now these totalitarian ideas to have marriage be time-limited contracts.

"Let's distribute food to the poor."
"Oh, yay! We have lots of extra money to spend."
"And then we'll try to get some gay people off death row in Iran and Saudi Arabia."
"Noooooo! We don't have enough money."