*United Nations* launches **worldwide** gay rights campaign

[Liriena]

Who are you to tell people what they can and cannot do?

Well, if a person want to kill himself, it think it is a duty of every person to warn him not to do it. Do you agree?

Not necessarily, and it's a lousy analogy anyway.

Are you even trying to argue honestly here?

[Regnum Dominae]

Why? Marriage is a human right.

Why?

Article 16.

(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

[Liriena]

Why? Marriage is a human right.

Why?

Universal Declaration of Human Rights, SCOTUS rulings and their equivalents in other nations and regions.

[Geilinor]

1. See for Germany http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/pstg/ ... G000300000
2. No, it is not. With the decline of religiosity it is worthless.

Bullshit. Religions do not have a monopoly on marriage.

Well, if a person want to kill himself, it think it is a duty of every person to warn him not to do it. Do you agree?

Marriage != suicide.

This^. Stupid analogy is stupid.

[Ifreann]

Why? Marriage is a human right.

Why?

Much like anything else, because we declare it to be so.

[Scholencia]

1. Sorry, I can't speak German, and I don't trust the Google Translator.
2. Worthless? Hardly. LGBT people still want to get married, and so do billions of non-LGBT individuals, so your attempt at being edgy falls flat.

1. Well, than I am sorry for you. What do you think who pays all the "benefits"?
2.It is just that the LGBT people have a idealized perception of marriages. It is not good for them. I personally know a gay couple who got married in Spain and after a while they got divorced.They even complaint that they should never do that.

[Liriena]

1. Sorry, I can't speak German, and I don't trust the Google Translator.
2. Worthless? Hardly. LGBT people still want to get married, and so do billions of non-LGBT individuals, so your attempt at being edgy falls flat.

1. Well, than I am sorry for you. What do you think who pays all the "benefits"?
2.It is just that the LGBT people have a idealized perception of marriages. It is not good for them. I personally know a gay couple who got married in Spain and after a while they got divorced.They even complaint that they should never do that.

1. The citizenry.
2. Personal experience is not a good source, let alone just one individual case.

[Luveria]

1. See for Germany http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/pstg/ ... G000300000
2. No, it is not. With the decline of religiosity it is worthless.

1. Sorry, I can't speak German, and I don't trust the Google Translator.
2. Worthless? Hardly. LGBT people still want to get married, and so do billions of non-LGBT individuals, so your attempt at being edgy falls flat.

I don't want to get married yet I still want everyone to have the right to marry.

Bullshit. Religions do not have a monopoly on marriage.


Marriage != suicide.

This^. Stupid analogy is stupid.

I've seen stupid analogies before but that one was over the top stupid.

[Geilinor]

1. Sorry, I can't speak German, and I don't trust the Google Translator.
2. Worthless? Hardly. LGBT people still want to get married, and so do billions of non-LGBT individuals, so your attempt at being edgy falls flat.

1. Well, than I am sorry for you. What do you think who pays all the "benefits"?
2.It is just that the LGBT people have a idealized perception of marriages. It is not good for them. I personally know a gay couple who got married in Spain and after a while they got divorced.They even complaint that they should never do that.

So? Did society collapse because of their divorce? Were any crimes committed? If not, no harm was done by the marriage. If they want to get married, let them.

[Ifreann]

1. Sorry, I can't speak German, and I don't trust the Google Translator.
2. Worthless? Hardly. LGBT people still want to get married, and so do billions of non-LGBT individuals, so your attempt at being edgy falls flat.

1. Well, than I am sorry for you. What do you think who pays all the "benefits"?
2.It is just that the LGBT people have a idealized perception of marriages. It is not good for them. I personally know a gay couple who got married in Spain and after a while they got divorced.They even complaint that they should never do that.

I personally know 50 gay couples who've been married for years and couldn't be happier. You lose, 50 to 1.

[Luveria]

1. Sorry, I can't speak German, and I don't trust the Google Translator.
2. Worthless? Hardly. LGBT people still want to get married, and so do billions of non-LGBT individuals, so your attempt at being edgy falls flat.

1. Well, than I am sorry for you. What do you think who pays all the "benefits"?
2.It is just that the LGBT people have a idealized perception of marriages. It is not good for them. I personally know a gay couple who got married in Spain and after a while they got divorced.They even complaint that they should never do that.

1. This isn't about that.
2. What the fuck. You have one stereotypical view of LGBT people. It's quite offensive.

[Fartsniffage]

Why?

Universal Declaration of Human Rights, SCOTUS rulings and their equivalents in other nations and regions.

Nice, but that doesn't answer the question. Why is marriage a human right? If you abolished it entirely then the same effects could be completed through a contact or bunch of contacts.

You could even get rid of divorce using contracts with a time limit.

[Liriena]

1. Sorry, I can't speak German, and I don't trust the Google Translator.
2. Worthless? Hardly. LGBT people still want to get married, and so do billions of non-LGBT individuals, so your attempt at being edgy falls flat.

I don't want to get married yet I still want everyone to have the right to marry.

Luv, you're awesome, even if you don't want to get married.

[Fartsniffage]

Why?

Much like anything else, because we declare it to be so.

I'm just playing around here...

[Ifreann]

Much like anything else, because we declare it to be so.

I'm just playing around here...

Well, troll harder next time.

[Liriena]

Universal Declaration of Human Rights, SCOTUS rulings and their equivalents in other nations and regions.

Nice, but that doesn't answer the question. Why is marriage a human right? If you abolished it entirely then the same effects could be completed through a contact or bunch of contacts.

You could even get rid of divorce using contracts with a time limit.

How would you ensure that those contracts are available to even impoverished individuals? Do you ensure that these contracts are not used as tools of lawyers to victimize the unwary?

Marriage is a human right because it is a universal, timeless institution that has often provided couples with a much needed sense of stability and emotional comfort. It has positive effects, both for the physical and mental health of the entire citizenry, and guarantees at least a modicum of dignity and even happiness for healthy couples who wish to join in such a union.

[Regnum Dominae]

Universal Declaration of Human Rights, SCOTUS rulings and their equivalents in other nations and regions.

Nice, but that doesn't answer the question. Why is marriage a human right? If you abolished it entirely then the same effects could be completed through a contact or bunch of contacts.

You could even get rid of divorce using contracts with a time limit.

So people should have to individually sign over 1000 contracts?

And marriage is considered a basic human right because we declare it to be one. Simple as that.

[Liriena]

Much like anything else, because we declare it to be so.

I'm just playing around here...

Yeah...please don't do that.

[Fartsniffage]

I'm just playing around here...

Well, troll harder next time.

There's a slight difference between trolling and trying out arguments. You may have all your viewpoints perfectly set. I don't yet.

[Scholencia]

1. Well, than I am sorry for you. What do you think who pays all the "benefits"?
2.It is just that the LGBT people have a idealized perception of marriages. It is not good for them. I personally know a gay couple who got married in Spain and after a while they got divorced.They even complaint that they should never do that.

1. The citizenry.
2. Personal experience is not a good source, let alone just one individual case.

1. Married citizenry
2. Yes, You are right, I just feel very sad for them... I dont want that happenes to any gay couple

[Regnum Dominae]

1. The citizenry.
2. Personal experience is not a good source, let alone just one individual case.

1. Married citizenry
2. Yes, You are right, I just feel very sad for them... I dont want that happenes to any gay couple.

You sure are homophobic if you think LGBT people 1) aren't capable of making their own decisions and 2) aren't capable of dealing with the trials and tribulations of marriage like straight people can...

[Liriena]

1. The citizenry.
2. Personal experience is not a good source, let alone just one individual case.

1. Married citizenry
2. Yes, You are right, I just feel very sad for them... I dont want that happenes to anybody

1. Not really. The entire citizenry pays taxes.
2. That's not your responsibility. You don't have the right to go around trying to prevent people from getting married, just because you fear they may suffer the same fate this one couple you know did. If two consenting adults want to get married under the law, your personal paranoia regarding marriage is irrelevant. It's not your problem.

[Fartsniffage]

Nice, but that doesn't answer the question. Why is marriage a human right? If you abolished it entirely then the same effects could be completed through a contact or bunch of contacts.

You could even get rid of divorce using contracts with a time limit.

So people should have to individually sign over 1000 contracts?

And marriage is considered a basic human right because we declare it to be one. Simple as that.

Or one contract if the couple want that. Or maybe a few if they want things split up. There are many ways it could be done, offering more choice than the single marriage contract currently seen as the standard.

[Scholencia]

1. Married citizenry
2. Yes, You are right, I just feel very sad for them... I dont want that happenes to any gay couple.

You sure are homophobic if you think LGBT people 1) aren't capable of making their own decisions and 2) aren't capable of dealing with the trials and tribulations of marriage like straight people can...

Well, I did not know that worring about gay people = homophobic. I did any where said that they are not capable for making their own deicision. I am also taking that as flaming

[Regnum Dominae]

You sure are homophobic if you think LGBT people 1) aren't capable of making their own decisions and 2) aren't capable of dealing with the trials and tribulations of marriage like straight people can...

Well, I did not know that worring about gay people = homophobic. I did any where said that they are not capable for making their own deicision. I am also taking that as flaming

Nope, that's not flaming.