License To Parent?

[The Devilz Advocate]

In the United States, and perhaps in most countries, there is a process that prospective parents need to go through in order to adopt a child. The adoptive parents need to actively prove that they have the ability to parent the child they seek to adopt. Biological childrearing, on the other hand, does not require this; a parent is assumed to be fit until proven otherwise.
Should this be the case? Are biological children less important than adoptive children? I say no. All parents should have to actively demonstrate that they have the ability to parent. Fertility is not a sufficient qualification.

Edit: In case the above is confusing, I'm saying that simply supplying the biological beginnings of children does not equate to the ability to raise children, and biologically-related parents should be put under the same constraints as potential adoptive parents.

[Frisivisia]

Ban pregnancy.

[Tyriece]

In the United States, and perhaps in most countries, there is a process that prospective parents need to go through in order to adopt a child. The adoptive parents need to actively prove that they have the ability to parent the child they seek to adopt. Biological childrearing, on the other hand, does not require this; a parent is assumed to be fit until proven otherwise.
Should this be the case? Are biological children less important than adoptive children? I say no. All parents should have to actively demonstrate that they have the ability to parent. Fertility is not a sufficient qualification.

Agreed

[Ifreann]

In the United States, and perhaps in most countries, there is a process that prospective parents need to go through in order to adopt a child. The adoptive parents need to actively prove that they have the ability to parent the child they seek to adopt. Biological childrearing, on the other hand, does not require this; a parent is assumed to be fit until proven otherwise.
Should this be the case? Are biological children less important than adoptive children? I say no. All parents should have to actively demonstrate that they have the ability to parent. Fertility is not a sufficient qualification.

Whose are you, then?

[The Devilz Advocate]

Ban pregnancy.

Forcibly sterilizing people, or just women at birth and then undoing the sterilization once they acquire their parenting license would work, but would be awfully invasive.

[Frisivisia]

Ban pregnancy.

Forcibly sterilizing people, or just women at birth and then undoing the sterilization once they acquire their parenting license would work, but would be awfully invasive.

But think of the children, or rather, don't.

[Qahadim]

So anybody and everybody that wants to have children through natural biological processes have too go to some government official who will be given authority to say yay, or nay? No. It's impractical, impossible to enforce, and violates the bodily sovereignty of both men and women.

It's my body, and I'll reproduce with it if I want too. You, your best friend, or even the government has zero right to tell me differently.

[Imperializt Russia]

1984 was not an instruction manual.

[The Devilz Advocate]

So anybody and everybody that wants to have children through natural biological processes have too go to some government official who will be given authority to say yay, or nay? No. It's impractical, impossible to enforce, and violates the bodily sovereignty of both men and women.

It's my body, and I'll reproduce with it if I want too. You, your best friend, or even the government has zero right to tell me differently.

This is why I don't support the sterilization method. I think you should be able to reproduce as much as you like. You just wouldn't be allowed to keep any of the children unless you're licensed.

[Zilam]

So anybody and everybody that wants to have children through natural biological processes have too go to some government official who will be given authority to say yay, or nay? No. It's impractical, impossible to enforce, and violates the bodily sovereignty of both men and women.

It's my body, and I'll reproduce with it if I want too. You, your best friend, or even the government has zero right to tell me differently.

Amen brother/sister!

[Tyriece]

So anybody and everybody that wants to have children through natural biological processes have too go to some government official who will be given authority to say yay, or nay? No. It's impractical, impossible to enforce, and violates the bodily sovereignty of both men and women.

It's my body, and I'll reproduce with it if I want too. You, your best friend, or even the government has zero right to tell me differently.

And if you so happen to be a crackhead with zero money or jobs that makes a living by killing people and harvesting there organs, tough luck for the kid, right?

[Zilam]

So anybody and everybody that wants to have children through natural biological processes have too go to some government official who will be given authority to say yay, or nay? No. It's impractical, impossible to enforce, and violates the bodily sovereignty of both men and women.

It's my body, and I'll reproduce with it if I want too. You, your best friend, or even the government has zero right to tell me differently.

This is why I don't support the sterilization method. I think you should be able to reproduce as much as you like. You just wouldn't be allowed to keep any of the children unless you're licensed.

And how do you go about getting a license? How do you prove what a 'good' parent is? My parents did some shitty things while I was growing up, but they always loved me, and I've turned out right, to be a mostly productive member of society. I am afraid that you would rip children away from loving parents who have made a few bad mistakes.

[Lancov]

So anybody and everybody that wants to have children through natural biological processes have too go to some government official who will be given authority to say yay, or nay? No. It's impractical, impossible to enforce, and violates the bodily sovereignty of both men and women.

It's my body, and I'll reproduce with it if I want too. You, your best friend, or even the government has zero right to tell me differently.

This is why I don't support the sterilization method. I think you should be able to reproduce as much as you like. You just wouldn't be allowed to keep any of the children unless you're licensed.

Where do you propose on housing all the confiscated children? In already understaffed orpahanges?

[Zilam]

So anybody and everybody that wants to have children through natural biological processes have too go to some government official who will be given authority to say yay, or nay? No. It's impractical, impossible to enforce, and violates the bodily sovereignty of both men and women.

It's my body, and I'll reproduce with it if I want too. You, your best friend, or even the government has zero right to tell me differently.

And if you so happen to be a crackhead with zero money or jobs that makes a living by killing people and harvesting there organs, tough luck for the kid, right?

The state already intervenes in cases like this. Child protective services, and what not.

[Imperializt Russia]

So anybody and everybody that wants to have children through natural biological processes have too go to some government official who will be given authority to say yay, or nay? No. It's impractical, impossible to enforce, and violates the bodily sovereignty of both men and women.

It's my body, and I'll reproduce with it if I want too. You, your best friend, or even the government has zero right to tell me differently.

And if you so happen to be a crackhead with zero money or jobs that makes a living by killing people and harvesting there organs, tough luck for the kid, right?

Isn't this exactly why there is a child welfare system?

[The Whispers]

Not into the mass breeders of the world. Also not really into what is basically just a euthanasia programme. Ho hum.

[Zonolia]

So anybody and everybody that wants to have children through natural biological processes have too go to some government official who will be given authority to say yay, or nay? No. It's impractical, impossible to enforce, and violates the bodily sovereignty of both men and women.

It's my body, and I'll reproduce with it if I want too. You, your best friend, or even the government has zero right to tell me differently.

This is why I don't support the sterilization method. I think you should be able to reproduce as much as you like. You just wouldn't be allowed to keep any of the children unless you're licensed.

You can't determine how good a person will be at parenting if they're having their first child...therefore it is unlicensable.

[Partybus]

I have to say no, while at the same time believing that there are many people on this planet, That. Just. Shouldn't. Breed!!

[Zilam]

This is why I don't support the sterilization method. I think you should be able to reproduce as much as you like. You just wouldn't be allowed to keep any of the children unless you're licensed.

Where do you propose on housing all the confiscated children? In already understaffed orpahanges?

This is also a very good point. With so many children already in the system, without parents to care for them, how can we put more children in said system? It would probably create more issues than solve.

[Qahadim]

So anybody and everybody that wants to have children through natural biological processes have too go to some government official who will be given authority to say yay, or nay? No. It's impractical, impossible to enforce, and violates the bodily sovereignty of both men and women.

It's my body, and I'll reproduce with it if I want too. You, your best friend, or even the government has zero right to tell me differently.

This is why I don't support the sterilization method. I think you should be able to reproduce as much as you like. You just wouldn't be allowed to keep any of the children unless you're licensed.

Children are a privilege!

No. I have a right to bear children. No amount of licensing changes what is my natural right.

[Frisivisia]

I have to say no, while at the same time believing that there are many people on this planet, That. Just. Shouldn't. Breed!!

Like people who think others shouldn't breed.

[Partybus]

This is why I don't support the sterilization method. I think you should be able to reproduce as much as you like. You just wouldn't be allowed to keep any of the children unless you're licensed.

And how do you go about getting a license? How do you prove what a 'good' parent is? My parents did some shitty things while I was growing up, but they always loved me, and I've turned out right, to be a mostly productive member of society. I am afraid that you would rip children away from loving parents who have made a few bad mistakes.

But if they had to take a test, they wouldn't be allowed to breed in the first place, so, no problem.

[The Devilz Advocate]

And how do you go about getting a license? How do you prove what a 'good' parent is? My parents did some shitty things while I was growing up, but they always loved me, and I've turned out right, to be a mostly productive member of society. I am afraid that you would rip children away from loving parents who have made a few bad mistakes.

Presumably the same way that adoption agencies determine fitness. Home visits, income checks; etc.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Awesome idea.

I think Brazil should have an artificial way of leveling birth rate for different groups, regions and social strata.

Or rather the entire world.

Poor people would get it way better without their average 5-6 children in Africa.

Bonus, we wouldn't have all those Stormfront copypasta trolls because their basic arguments would then be void.

*nods*

[Partybus]

I have to say no, while at the same time believing that there are many people on this planet, That. Just. Shouldn't. Breed!!

Like people who think others shouldn't breed.

Hurrr.