NSG Culture and the rules

[Divair]

There are 452422 registered nations on the forum "Members" page.

Now, granted, I'd say that probably 75%-80% of these are either DEAT or timed out. So that gives us about what, about 90k active posters?

Probably less than that. Let's go for 50k.

There are 25 moderators and admins that operate on the forums. Twenty-five. That's just patently not enough.

Even if we assume, say, 5-10k, that's still an absurd proportion.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Ah, you do know that the account system has a warning history on your account, right? As in they can see every warning or ban you've ever received.

I repeat: It's not like we have a database on this forum.

Sometimes people get warned without using the warn tags, which isn't registered in your 'history'. A single post that's suggestive but not really crossing the line may be ignored, and the Mods don't store this into some CMR in their heads that reminds them the next time they see one of those posts, and the next, and the next. On many occasions, only when all are put together and viewed at the same time do they notice "holy shit, this dude is dangerous"

So maybe mods shouldn't issue unofficial warnings. Because I'm pretty damn sure all official warnings and bans are tracked and recorded. And you are seriously not understanding that joking about raping children as your hobby does not merit consideration of warning history. The person doing that should be banned permanently because raping children is not only abhorrent it is highly illegal and ethically unacceptable in any community open to teenagers.

[Esternial]

There are 452422 registered nations on the forum "Members" page.

Now, granted, I'd say that probably 75%-80% of these are either DEAT or timed out. So that gives us about what, about 90k active posters?

Probably less than that. Let's go for 50k.

There are 25 moderators and admins that operate on the forums. Twenty-five. That's just patently not enough.

Of whom we see...what, 10 on a regular basis?

[Khadgar]

Yes there's an ongoing investigation. No they won't comment on it.

In that case, shouldn't we wait for the result of the investigation before commenting ourselves?

No.

[Divair]

There are 452422 registered nations on the forum "Members" page.

Now, granted, I'd say that probably 75%-80% of these are either DEAT or timed out. So that gives us about what, about 90k active posters?

Probably less than that. Let's go for 50k.

There are 25 moderators and admins that operate on the forums. Twenty-five. That's just patently not enough.

Of whom we see...what, 10 on a regular basis?

And we can assume 25% of the staff are busy for some reason (medical, job, school, family, whatever the fuck).


Really, this is quite absurd.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Yes there's an ongoing investigation. No they won't comment on it.

In that case, shouldn't we wait for the result of the investigation before commenting ourselves?

I don't think that it's entirely unrealistic to have issues with a six-month period between the initial report and the eventual action, even if there is an ongoing investigation.

[Ostroeuropa]

In that case, shouldn't we wait for the result of the investigation before commenting ourselves?

I don't think that it's entirely unrealistic to have issues with a six-month period between the initial report and the eventual action, even if there is an ongoing investigation.

It's entirely possible that the investigation will show that they too are disturbed by the delay and will take action to rectify it.

[Grenartia]

Of whom we see...what, 10 on a regular basis?

And we can assume 25% of the staff are busy for some reason (medical, job, school, family, whatever the fuck).



Really, this is quite absurd.

No, its not. You people obviously post too much, and we'd be better off as a whole if 90% of the site's members were gone.

[Nadkor]

Of whom we see...what, 10 on a regular basis?

And we can assume 25% of the staff are busy for some reason (medical, job, school, family, whatever the fuck).


Really, this is quite absurd.

Of course, at the minute (and working on the basis that none are just appearing offline and purposely keeping away from addressing any of the concerns raised in the thread) there is not a single one online.

[Divair]

I don't think that it's entirely unrealistic to have issues with a six-month period between the initial report and the eventual action, even if there is an ongoing investigation.

It's entirely possible that the investigation will show that they too are disturbed by the delay and will take action to rectify it.

Or they'll do fuck all, lock this thread, and ignore all of us.

[Electroconvulsive Glee]

Also.

Not when it comes to someone who applies one standard to himself and a different one to someone else.

I am sick and tired of this accusation. First it's Dread Lady Nathicana harassing me about this, now you bring it up because I point out that Moderation has let two users notorious for blatant trolling and flamebaiting get away, repeatedly, for years.

And I think I know where this outlandish, vindictive, and petty accusation comes from: You have a fucking grudge about my overturned "memespam" ban in April. Dread Lady Nathicana hasn't shut up about it since, and you seem to echo her sentiment.

I don't know what you're complaining about. If my "The Emperor Protects" was memespam, you should have not overturned my ban. I simply used my right to appeal it, you're the ones who had the authority and the decision, and you decided what was decided. Had you decided to uphold my ban, I would have left the forum and you would have never had to worry about me again, as I would have been disgusted that you would have singled me out when users like the aforementioned are constantly coddled - and apparently a child rapist has been protected.

Instead, you decided to overturn it. I told you I was grateful. And I moved on.

It seems up until this day, you didn't.

So I'm telling you now: Drop this fucking story. I never wanted to be held in higher, or lower, or different, regard than any other NSG user, be it Hippostania, be it TaQud, be it Neo Art or be it (your nation here). I'm not the one that is held to a different standard, the damned problem is you're holding trolls to different standards than your regular users.

And that is why this forum, thanks to you and the rest of the mod staff's incompetence, has gone to shit.

I have seen some of your particular complaint and I believe you have a right to be pissed. (In other words, I know at least some of what you are saying is true and you should be pissed about that. If it is all true, you are even more justified in being more pissed.) (I'm not sure that made sense.)

Anyhoodle, this sort of thing is a problem as well. There out to be at least a degree of professionalism on the part of Mods/Admins. That they are volunteers and unpaid is irrelevant. There are many, many, many examples of people held to ethical and legal standards of professionalism despite being a volunteer or unpaid.

Members of Moderation should try to avoid insulting posters -- particularly when acting in an official capacity. There has always been a certain amount of snarky, funny banter, but I believe there is an increasing tendency by at least some Mods to be downright nasty.

Members of Moderation should try to maintain objectivity and confidentiality. I do not know if this is common or happens anymore, but I learned in the past of Moderators (who are still Mods) in off-NS (but NS related forums) discussing reports and posters with other NS posters. More specifically, complaining about NS posters, making derogatory comments, and discussing how certain reports to Moderation were baseless or annoying (even when they had been ruled upon as actionable). I hope this kind of thing has stopped. I have no idea. But it never should have happened. Mods discussing Mod business in secret amongst themselves is one thing. Mods discussing Mod business publicly in NS with poster input is also acceptable. Mods discussing Mod business with other posters outside NS or in secret should not happen. Similarly, Mods denigrating posters should rarely, if ever, be acceptable.

And, this brings us back to Samuraikoku's exchange with NERVUN. Even if what might be griefing and is rather juvenile is excusable, there is a fundamental problem with the "tit-for-tat" approach to Moderation rulings. Sometimes posters are told in no uncertain terms that it is not acceptable to flame in response to flaming, trolling, or flamebait and are warned for such reactions. Other times posters are told that another poster's flames or trolling is excused by the "snarky" attitude of the reporting poster. Considering context makes sense, but being inconsistent and excusing rule-breaking in this manner is another.

--rant over --
now I'd better leave this thread and this site and clean the foam of my lips.

[Khadgar]

There are 452422 registered nations on the forum "Members" page.

Now, granted, I'd say that probably 75%-80% of these are either DEAT or timed out. So that gives us about what, about 90k active posters?

Probably less than that. Let's go for 50k.

There are 25 moderators and admins that operate on the forums. Twenty-five. That's just patently not enough.

Of whom we see...what, 10 on a regular basis?

Uh, I can count six I see with any regularity.

Kat
Fris
Sedg
Nerv
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Nathi

And I can't think of any others. Oh, Crazy Girl, she's not usually on NSG so I tend to forget her. That's seven.

[Divair]

And we can assume 25% of the staff are busy for some reason (medical, job, school, family, whatever the fuck).


Really, this is quite absurd.

Of course, at the minute (and working on the basis that none are just appearing offline and purposely keeping away from addressing any of the concerns raised in the thread) there is not a single one online.

Why do most of them appear offline anyway? If they claim they've got great overlap, prove it to us.

[Regnum Dominae]

Of whom we see...what, 10 on a regular basis?

Uh, I can count six I see with any regularity.

Kat
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Nerv
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Nathi

And I can't think of any others. Oh, Crazy Girl, she's not usually on NSG so I tend to forget her. That's seven.

Euro and Arch.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I don't think that it's entirely unrealistic to have issues with a six-month period between the initial report and the eventual action, even if there is an ongoing investigation.

It's entirely possible that the investigation will show that they too are disturbed by the delay and will take action to rectify it.

So we should be quiet until they decide on their own that they screwed up? I'm not sure what the value is in holding back one's opinions in the interim.

[Souseiseki]

Of whom we see...what, 10 on a regular basis?

Uh, I can count six I see with any regularity.

Kat
Fris
Sedg
Nerv
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Nathi

And I can't think of any others. Oh, Crazy Girl, she's not usually on NSG so I tend to forget her. That's seven.

DLN is probably the most active mod as far as I can tell. Of course like you said with the exception of people we might not see due to NSG focus.

[Choronzon]

It's entirely possible that the investigation will show that they too are disturbed by the delay and will take action to rectify it.

Or they'll do fuck all, lock this thread, and ignore all of us.

This, but not before making some snide comments about how the only reason anyone is upset with their performance is because we're unruly rule breakers with an ax to grind and maybe handing out a few bans to the most vocal among us.

[Ostroeuropa]

Of whom we see...what, 10 on a regular basis?

Uh, I can count six I see with any regularity.

Kat
Fris
Sedg
Nerv
Trans
Nathi

And I can't think of any others. Oh, Crazy Girl, she's not usually on NSG so I tend to forget her. That's seven.

Archregimancy.

[Choronzon]

Uh, I can count six I see with any regularity.

Kat
Fris
Sedg
Nerv
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Nathi

And I can't think of any others. Oh, Crazy Girl, she's not usually on NSG so I tend to forget her. That's seven.

DLN is probably the most active mod as far as I can tell.

Which, really, doesn't help.

[Esternial]

Of whom we see...what, 10 on a regular basis?

And we can assume 25% of the staff are busy for some reason (medical, job, school, family, whatever the fuck).


Really, this is quite absurd.

And we can't blame them for that. Mods also have a life. But when we ask why there hasn't been a Mod on for an hour while a spammer was posting racist caps-lock rage all over the forum, getting returned with the "Mods also have a life" comment is utterly useless and beside the point.

Yes, Mods have a life. I get that. By God it's been told to us more than I care to remember, but doesn't that kinda hint at the shortage of regularly active Moderators?

If there are Mods that are too busy, give them a break. Don't add them to your list of "mods we have", because that's just an empty statistic if half the people on your list are almost never online.

[Khadgar]

Uh, I can count six I see with any regularity.

Kat
Fris
Sedg
Nerv
Trans
Nathi

And I can't think of any others. Oh, Crazy Girl, she's not usually on NSG so I tend to forget her. That's seven.

Euro and Arch.

I always forget those two. Which is odd because I really enjoy Arch's posts.

[Divair]

Or they'll do fuck all, lock this thread, and ignore all of us.

This, but not before making some snide comments about how the only reason anyone is upset with their performance is because we're unruly rule breakers with an ax to grind and maybe handing out a few bans to the most vocal among us.

"Criticism? How dare you. This forum is perfect. Clearly you just want everyone to get banned."
*thread lock*

[Ostroeuropa]

It's entirely possible that the investigation will show that they too are disturbed by the delay and will take action to rectify it.

So we should be quiet until they decide on their own that they screwed up? I'm not sure what the value is in holding back one's opinions in the interim.

Fair point.

[Ostroeuropa]

Euro and Arch.

I always forget those two. Which is odd because I really enjoy Arch's posts.

>Implying
My friends and zoidberg.
*plays violin for Euroslavia*

[Divair]

And we can assume 25% of the staff are busy for some reason (medical, job, school, family, whatever the fuck).


Really, this is quite absurd.

And we can't blame them for that. Mods also have a life. But when we ask why there hasn't been a Mod on for an hour while a spammer was posting racist caps-lock rage all over the forum, getting returned with the "Mods also have a life" comment is utterly useless and beside the point.

Yes, Mods have a life. I get that. By God it's been told to us more than I care to remember, but doesn't that kinda hint at the shortage of regularly active Moderators?

If there are Mods that are too busy, give them a break. Don't add them to your list of "mods we have", because that's just an empty statistic if half the people on your list are almost never online.

Of course.


Look, I'll never hold a grudge against a mod because they're inactive due to RL complications. I get that. Really. But if half of your staff are missing and your original team isn't large enough to deal with the forum, then it has to grow or your forum will suffer. Simple as that.