NSG Culture and the rules

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I wonder...

If something is implied heavily, several times, shouldn't that be taken just as seriously as an outright admittance?

It was more than implied heavily, thats just the excuse certain incredibly lazy moderators are hiding behind. He talked about how great it is that you can have sex with children in certain southeast asian countries, said that, come to think of it, he hadn't had a vacation in a while, and that in those parts of the world they "roll out the red carpet" for people like [him]."

I'm not sure how much more direct you can get.

A summation of implications... yes, something should've been done sooner.

[Khadgar]

I wonder...

If something is implied heavily, several times, shouldn't that be taken just as seriously as an outright admittance?

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=254256&p=15776078#p15776078

i seriously don't see how these are not admissions of possession and admissions of intent.

viewtopic.php?p=15776154#p15776154

though admittedly this is far more wink wink nudge nudge

Lunatic Youthballs.

damn that's good

The second one was really more of a "I've never raped anyone I've just ignored the age of consent".

[Choronzon]

It was more than implied heavily, thats just the excuse certain incredibly lazy moderators are hiding behind. He talked about how great it is that you can have sex with children in certain southeast asian countries, said that, come to think of it, he hadn't had a vacation in a while, and that in those parts of the world they "roll out the red carpet" for people like [him]."

I'm not sure how much more direct you can get.

A summation of implications... yes, something should've been done sooner.

How is it not admission when you say "Man, I should go to places where child prostitution is legal. They roll out the red carpet for people like me."

[Divair]

A summation of implications... yes, something should've been done sooner.

How is it not admission when you say "Man, I should go to places where child prostitution is legal. They roll out the red carpet for people like me."

Because he didn't say he had sex.


LOGIC.

[Esternial]

Which is what disappoints about this particular case. Ok, so the poster didn't say ''I rape children'', but it seems that he heavily implied a desire to do so. So, why did it take 6 months to sink in and for the mods to act?

Because incompetence.

No per se.

Perhaps more of a "working by the book" kind of deal. They would rather not ban someone than ban them, so if the accused' guilt is in doubt, they're acquitted.

None of the Mods tend to keep a list of every single infraction. The whole ZS business just proves to me that Mods need vigilant players around who look at the bigger picture and dig for proof. Mods just execute the punishment based on what they're being provided with.

Being a Mod isn't the same as being a private detective on these forums.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I wonder...

If something is implied heavily, several times, shouldn't that be taken just as seriously as an outright admittance?

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=254256&p=15776078#p15776078

i seriously don't see how these are not admissions of possession and admissions of intent.

viewtopic.php?p=15776154#p15776154

though admittedly this is far more wink wink nudge nudge

I guess what the mods wanted was an outright admission but intent, expressed so often, as it seems, should've been enough to take action.

[Trotskylvania]

I don't know why anyone is surprised.

This is a forum that doesn't have a report post function. To get anything done at all in this understaffed forum, some one has to care enough to manually make a thread in moderation, or post it in the right megathread.

To say nothing else of the long running, absolutely deplorable and shameful sheltering of an admitted child rapist and sex tourist. When admitting to such deplorable acts, even by innuendo, is "not actionable", it's really not surprising that all of the other trolling and flamebaiting never gets addressed.

Sorry, but this place has become a caricature of "tolerance" of the kind you normally only see in conservative scaremongering. Some opinions are not okay to express, especially repeatedly. It's not okay to blatantly insult giant categories of people, whether it's based on their race, sex, sexual orientation, religion or politics. By refusing to police such behavior, you only ensure that there can be no discussion, at all.

When the rules are enforced, they are enforced sporadically and capriciously. And yet the mods wonder why people are getting increasingly pissed off about a forum overrun by trolls.

[Lordieth]

I think there's also a problem with perception, in that people think they wouldn't be taken seriously if they told the authorities of someone admitting to a criminal act on an internet forum. I would hope however that anything so serious would be a moderator issue, and not my personal responsibility to report.

Well, if you listen to the mods pathetic excuses its actually all the player's fault that a child rapist was allowed to post on a 13+ forum, because we apparently didn't report him enough.

Tell me moderation, what is the magic number for how many times a player must admit to raping children before he becomes DOS? Its clearly more than 2.

I'm afraid I don't really know enough of the facts to have an informed opinion on what happened, so I can't really comment on the specifics. I don't think it's the job of posters to report crimes, though. Whether or not you feel players have a moral responsibility to do so is a matter of personal opinion, not an actual responsibility.

[Divair]

Being a Mod isn't the same as being a private detective on these forums.

Then maybe we need a new group of staff to deal with this type of shit.

[Electroconvulsive Glee]

The mods protected a child rapist. Any mod who was an active part in that decision is a criminal. Period. This is both my stance on the issue, and is it a stance I am sure legal authorities would agree with.

Any mod involved in the decision to allow a child rapist to post on a 13+ forum should no longer be a mod. Period.

And all the bootlicks pretending like the MODS JUST DIDN'T KNOW are lying to themselves and everyone else.

Um. Pull back the reins.

Criticism, even unfair criticism, of Moderations decisions, policies, etc.

Calling a group of Mods criminals if beyond the pale. Based on limited information, I am outraged by what appeared to have happened. But even the worst interpretation of the worst allegations I have seen does not amount to criminal activity.

It is not surprising that any group of humans will make mistakes. Even huge, horrifying, seemingly incomprehensible errors. It is not realistic or reasonable to expect that not to happen. Overreacting and demanding harsh punishment upon members of Moderation will not help and will only discourage anyone with any sense from wanting to be a Mod.

The circling of wagons, refusal to admit mistakes, refusal to correct errors, and absurd excuses are a whole different and very real problem. Threatening to tar and feather Mods will make that problem worse and give them every reason to write off criticism as hysterical rants.

[Khadgar]

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=254256&p=15776078#p15776078

i seriously don't see how these are not admissions of possession and admissions of intent.

viewtopic.php?p=15776154#p15776154

though admittedly this is far more wink wink nudge nudge

I guess what the mods wanted was an outright admission but intent, expressed so often, as it seems, should've been enough to take action.

I wouldn't give them that much credit. You don't joke about raping children. If someone is doing a wink wink nudge nudge I fuck five year olds, you ban them and you don't think twice. That should be an absolute in any civilized forum. On a forum full of young teenagers it should be Moderation Rule 1.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

A summation of implications... yes, something should've been done sooner.

How is it not admission when you say "Man, I should go to places where child prostitution is legal. They roll out the red carpet for people like me."

Choronzon, I understand your point and I agree. I personally think that was an outright admission of something that is clearly against the law. But I imagine the mods wanted a direct admission.

Bollocks, again. Something should've been done sooner.

[Fartsniffage]

seriously, making a reppy youth with the ability to move adspam threads to a second evidence locker with severe punishments for deliberate abuse is probably a great idea.

e: sorry you just happen to be the mod thats name sounds best with X youth. though the dread youth would be pretty scary.

Lunatic Youthballs.

Oh my... Pregnancy...Pregnancy everywhere...

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I guess what the mods wanted was an outright admission but intent, expressed so often, as it seems, should've been enough to take action.

I wouldn't give them that much credit. You don't joke about raping children. If someone is doing a wink wink nudge nudge I fuck five year olds, you ban them and you don't think twice. That should be an absolute in any civilized forum. On a forum full of young teenagers it should be Moderation Rule 1.

Which brings back the point of a lack of consistency. The PG13 rule is enforced for some things and not for others.

Or at least that's my take.

[Ifreann]

Because incompetence.

No per se.

Perhaps more of a "working by the book" kind of deal. They would rather not ban someone than ban them, so if the accused' guilt is in doubt, they're acquitted.

None of the Mods tend to keep a list of every single infraction...

I could swear I've seen mods mention making notes on someone's account, and escalating warnings/bans after checking a poster's history.

[Divair]

No per se.

Perhaps more of a "working by the book" kind of deal. They would rather not ban someone than ban them, so if the accused' guilt is in doubt, they're acquitted.

None of the Mods tend to keep a list of every single infraction...

I could swear I've seen mods mention making notes on someone's account, and escalating warnings/bans after checking a poster's history.

If they can't, then maybe it's time we get better forum software.

[Fartsniffage]

A summation of implications... yes, something should've been done sooner.

How is it not admission when you say "Man, I should go to places where child prostitution is legal. They roll out the red carpet for people like me."

Possibly a controversial opinion, but has the guy broken any laws having sex with young girls in countries where that's legal?

Vile? Yes. But illegal?

[Choronzon]

The mods protected a child rapist. Any mod who was an active part in that decision is a criminal. Period. This is both my stance on the issue, and is it a stance I am sure legal authorities would agree with.

Any mod involved in the decision to allow a child rapist to post on a 13+ forum should no longer be a mod. Period.

And all the bootlicks pretending like the MODS JUST DIDN'T KNOW are lying to themselves and everyone else.

Um. Pull back the reins.

Criticism, even unfair criticism, of Moderations decisions, policies, etc.

Calling a group of Mods criminals if beyond the pale. Based on limited information, I am outraged by what appeared to have happened. But even the worst interpretation of the worst allegations I have seen does not amount to criminal activity.

It is not surprising that any group of humans will make mistakes. Even huge, horrifying, seemingly incomprehensible errors. It is not realistic or reasonable to expect that not to happen. Overreacting and demanding harsh punishment upon members of Moderation will not help and will only discourage anyone with any sense from wanting to be a Mod.

The circling of wagons, refusal to admit mistakes, refusal to correct errors, and absurd excuses are a whole different and very real problem. Threatening to tar and feather Mods will make that problem worse and give them every reason to write off criticism as hysterical rants.

They actively protected a child rapist. They actively allowed a child rapist to continue to post on a 13+ forum.

If you have a better word for that, I'm all ears.

[Souseiseki]

How is it not admission when you say "Man, I should go to places where child prostitution is legal. They roll out the red carpet for people like me."

Possibly a controversial opinion, but has the guy broken any laws having sex with young girls in countries where that's legal?

Vile? Yes. But illegal?

yes. it is illegal to travel to other countries to have sex with children in countries where it is legal and you will be arrested.

[Divair]

How is it not admission when you say "Man, I should go to places where child prostitution is legal. They roll out the red carpet for people like me."

Possibly a controversial opinion, but has the guy broken any laws having sex with young girls in countries where that's legal?

Vile? Yes. But illegal?

Yes. Sex tourism is illegal.

[Khadgar]

How is it not admission when you say "Man, I should go to places where child prostitution is legal. They roll out the red carpet for people like me."

Possibly a controversial opinion, but has the guy broken any laws having sex with young girls in countries where that's legal?

Vile? Yes. But illegal?

Sex tourism is illegal in the United States and several other countries.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

How is it not admission when you say "Man, I should go to places where child prostitution is legal. They roll out the red carpet for people like me."

Possibly a controversial opinion, but has the guy broken any laws having sex with young girls in countries where that's legal?

Vile? Yes. But illegal?

As an international site, I've often wondered. NS is governed by the laws of the country where the servers are hosted?

[Esternial]

Being a Mod isn't the same as being a private detective on these forums.

Then maybe we need a new group of staff to deal with this type of shit.

Why? Players who are desperate to prove they're right roam these wild lands. Why appoint new staff if you got those around?

Some of you thoroughly proved it by gathering up all that info. Present your findings to the Mods and they'll act on it. Seems to work fine if you ask me, since ZS got his just desserts. It's actually a better system than having staff dig it up and make the ruling. Two separate groups rather than one.

If they're presented with all the proof, they'll see sense. It's just because reports are spread over a period of time that the Mods can't be expected to remember every single infraction. It's not like we have a database on this forum.

[Choronzon]

How is it not admission when you say "Man, I should go to places where child prostitution is legal. They roll out the red carpet for people like me."

Possibly a controversial opinion, but has the guy broken any laws having sex with young girls in countries where that's legal?

Vile? Yes. But illegal?

Yes. Yes he has. In many countries, you go to another country for sex tourism you can be prosecuted for it in your home country.

[Khadgar]

Possibly a controversial opinion, but has the guy broken any laws having sex with young girls in countries where that's legal?

Vile? Yes. But illegal?

As an international site, I've often wondered. NS is governed by the laws of the country where the servers are hosted?

The usual litmus test of moderation is "If it's illegal in the US you can't talk about it". Even if it's legal in parts of the US (such as marijuana) they still refuse to allow discussion. So there's no excuse beyond incompetence.