NSG Culture and the rules

[The Blaatschapen]

I agree wholeheartedly!

But, tell me, Caninope, why do you believe this is the case?

I've been wondering that myself.

My theory was once that NS's predominantly left-leaning population was an expression of America's own inevitable leftism...

Then I realized a large number of people on NS aren't even from America.

I'm not really sure. I know that college graduates tend to have a higher proportion of leftists among them than those with some college or only high school, and perhaps that could play into NS and the lack of an intellectual core. Perhaps it's the loss of conservative public intellectuals without genuine replacements (with two very notable examples being Milton Friedman in 2006 and William Buckley Jr. in 2008), which would fit with what seems to be a rising anti-intellectual backlash within the current GOP. Perhaps its the fact that NSG tends to attract people of more extreme political beliefs, or maybe it's all three rolled into one. I don't know, but it genuinely bothers me when I literally have people that I should be agree with (and vice versa) calling me a liberal.

You liberal!

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

I agree wholeheartedly!

But, tell me, Caninope, why do you believe this is the case?

I've been wondering that myself.

My theory was once that NS's predominantly left-leaning population was an expression of America's own inevitable leftism...

Then I realized a large number of people on NS aren't even from America.

I'm not really sure. I know that college graduates tend to have a higher proportion of leftists among them than those with some college or only high school, and perhaps that could play into NS and the lack of an intellectual core. Perhaps it's the loss of conservative public intellectuals without genuine replacements (with two very notable examples being Milton Friedman in 2006 and William Buckley Jr. in 2008), which would fit with what seems to be a rising anti-intellectual backlash within the current GOP. Perhaps its the fact that NSG tends to attract people of more extreme political beliefs, or maybe it's all three rolled into one. I don't know, but it genuinely bothers me when I literally have people that I should be agree with (and vice versa) calling me a liberal.

I would consider myself more right-moderate, which would put me decidedly on the "right wing" spectrum on this forum...

... but I lack the tenacity and motivation to dig for sources on subjects I don't care about.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

I'm not really sure. I know that college graduates tend to have a higher proportion of leftists among them than those with some college or only high school, and perhaps that could play into NS and the lack of an intellectual core. Perhaps it's the loss of conservative public intellectuals without genuine replacements (with two very notable examples being Milton Friedman in 2006 and William Buckley Jr. in 2008), which would fit with what seems to be a rising anti-intellectual backlash within the current GOP. Perhaps its the fact that NSG tends to attract people of more extreme political beliefs, or maybe it's all three rolled into one. I don't know, but it genuinely bothers me when I literally have people that I should be agree with (and vice versa) calling me a liberal.

You liberal!

AAAAAAAAAAAA MOD BIAS AAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[Regnum Dominae]

You liberal!

AAAAAAAAAAAA MOD BIAS AAAAAAAAAAAAA!

TAXES ARE THEFT

[Individuality-ness]

AAAAAAAAAAAA MOD BIAS AAAAAAAAAAAAA!

TAXES ARE THEFT

We should all take up Objectivist ideals and abolish most government agencies such as the FDC. The free market will take care of it. *nod*

[Shaggai]

I agree wholeheartedly!

But, tell me, Caninope, why do you believe this is the case?

I've been wondering that myself.

My theory was once that NS's predominantly left-leaning population was an expression of America's own inevitable leftism...

Then I realized a large number of people on NS aren't even from America.

I'm not really sure. I know that college graduates tend to have a higher proportion of leftists among them than those with some college or only high school, and perhaps that could play into NS and the lack of an intellectual core. Perhaps it's the loss of conservative public intellectuals without genuine replacements (with two very notable examples being Milton Friedman in 2006 and William Buckley Jr. in 2008), which would fit with what seems to be a rising anti-intellectual backlash within the current GOP. Perhaps its the fact that NSG tends to attract people of more extreme political beliefs, or maybe it's all three rolled into one. I don't know, but it genuinely bothers me when I literally have people that I should be agree with (and vice versa) calling me a liberal.

Was that Hippo? Because Hippo called Regnum Dominae a socialist, so I wouldn't trust him on analyses of political leanings. You seem rather conservative to me, albeit a reasonable one.

[Caninope]

I'm not really sure. I know that college graduates tend to have a higher proportion of leftists among them than those with some college or only high school, and perhaps that could play into NS and the lack of an intellectual core. Perhaps it's the loss of conservative public intellectuals without genuine replacements (with two very notable examples being Milton Friedman in 2006 and William Buckley Jr. in 2008), which would fit with what seems to be a rising anti-intellectual backlash within the current GOP. Perhaps its the fact that NSG tends to attract people of more extreme political beliefs, or maybe it's all three rolled into one. I don't know, but it genuinely bothers me when I literally have people that I should be agree with (and vice versa) calling me a liberal.

Was that Hippo? Because Hippo called Regnum Dominae a socialist, so I wouldn't trust him on analyses of political leanings. You seem rather conservative to me, albeit a reasonable one.

It's not just Hippo. It's a slew of people, three of the top of my head.

[Shaggai]

Was that Hippo? Because Hippo called Regnum Dominae a socialist, so I wouldn't trust him on analyses of political leanings. You seem rather conservative to me, albeit a reasonable one.

It's not just Hippo. It's a slew of people, three of the top of my head.

Really? Who are those three? You definitely seem conservative to me.

Anyway, there's an obvious solution to the lack of prominent conservative intellectuals.

[Caninope]

It's not just Hippo. It's a slew of people, three of the top of my head.

Really? Who are those three? You definitely seem conservative to me.

Anyway, there's an obvious solution to the lack of prominent conservative intellectuals.

Hippo, Obamacult (now DOS, I think), and Freiheit Reich.

[The Blaatschapen]

Really? Who are those three? You definitely seem conservative to me.

Anyway, there's an obvious solution to the lack of prominent conservative intellectuals.

Hippo, Obamacult (now DOS, I think), and Freiheit Reich.

I'm not really sure. I know that college graduates tend to have a higher proportion of leftists among them than those with some college or only high school, and perhaps that could play into NS and the lack of an intellectual core. Perhaps it's the loss of conservative public intellectuals without genuine replacements (with two very notable examples being Milton Friedman in 2006 and William Buckley Jr. in 2008), which would fit with what seems to be a rising anti-intellectual backlash within the current GOP. Perhaps its the fact that NSG tends to attract people of more extreme political beliefs, or maybe it's all three rolled into one. I don't know, but it genuinely bothers me when I literally have people that I should be agree with (and vice versa) calling me a liberal.

You liberal!

You forgot me

[Shaggai]

Really? Who are those three? You definitely seem conservative to me.

Anyway, there's an obvious solution to the lack of prominent conservative intellectuals.

Hippo, Obamacult (now DOS, I think), and Freiheit Reich.

Hippo is... Hippo. Let's leave it at that. Obamacult... I think I've seen a few posts, but just judging by the name seems nearly as unreliable as Hippostania. Freiheit Reich seems very extreme to me, from what I've read. None of them are actual liberals, moderates, or even center-right. Their ideas of liberal and conservative are bound to be skewed. Kind of like the "Liberal" and "Conservative" themes.

[Caninope]

Hippo, Obamacult (now DOS, I think), and Freiheit Reich.

Hippo is... Hippo. Let's leave it at that. Obamacult... I think I've seen a few posts, but just judging by the name seems nearly as unreliable as Hippostania. Freiheit Reich seems very extreme to me, from what I've read. None of them are actual liberals, moderates, or even center-right. Their ideas of liberal and conservative are bound to be skewed. Kind of like the "Liberal" and "Conservative" themes.

That was sort of my point.

[Shaggai]

Hippo is... Hippo. Let's leave it at that. Obamacult... I think I've seen a few posts, but just judging by the name seems nearly as unreliable as Hippostania. Freiheit Reich seems very extreme to me, from what I've read. None of them are actual liberals, moderates, or even center-right. Their ideas of liberal and conservative are bound to be skewed. Kind of like the "Liberal" and "Conservative" themes.

That was sort of my point.

Ooohhhhhhhhhh. That makes sense now.

[New Randia]

you both are hitting the nail squarely on the head. i come from an environment where half ot the people i know think i am an unrepentant libertine because i think the government should get out of my rolling papers and the other half accuse me of being a statist because i think that the government should exist at all. (pentecostals and anarcho-capitalists in the same room... <fear and loathing>)

i believe the right is less willing to compromise these days because we think we have compromised enough. this leads to interesting interactions between the various camps on the right because our disgust with compromising politicians has led us to be unable to deal with our ideological bretheren. my libertarian friends will not speak with my social conservative friends and vice versa. (in fact, i have stopped talking to a couple of evangelicals out there my self)

at the end of the day, no liberal is ever going to find someone like me "reasonable" and i do not want them to. i get queasy when i read david brooks, (reasonable conservative) and every time i see nancy pelosi with the gavel i feel like charlton heston waking up in a field and the apes are on horseback (hat tip dennis miller)

maybe this is why there are so few conservative debaters on NSG. so many of us don't believe the debate matters anymore, and so fewer and fewer of those who are capable even try.

(not that i am claiming to be capable of reasoned debate, i rather enjoy flying off the hinge)

[Shaggai]

you both are hitting the nail squarely on the head. i come from an environment where half ot the people i know think i am an unrepentant libertine because i think the government should get out of my rolling papers and the other half accuse me of being a statist because i think that the government should exist at all. (pentecostals and anarcho-capitalists in the same room... <fear and loathing>)

the right is less willing to compromise these days because we believe we have compromised enough. this leads to interesting interactions between the various camps on the right because our disgust with compromising politicians has led us to be unable to deal with our ideological bretheren. my libertarian friends will not speak with my social conservative friends and vice versa. (in fact, i have stopped talking to a couple of evangelicals out there my self)

at the end of the day, no liberal is ever going to find someone like me "reasonable" and i do not want them to. i get queasy when i read david brooks, (reasonable conservative) and every time i see nancy pelosi with the gavel i feel like charlton heston waking up in a field and the apes are on horseback (hat tip dennis miller)

maybe this is why there are so few conservative debaters on NSG. so many of us don't believe the debate matters anymore, and so fewer and fewer of those who are capable even try.

(not that i am claiming to be capable of reasoned debate, i rather enjoy flying off the hinge)

Don't know what your views are, so I'm presuming you're a somewhat moderate conservative? Because Caninope is a conservative and I, a liberal, find him reasonable.

[New Randia]

no i am firmly in the "taxes are theft" camp. F.A. von Hayek, Ayn Rand, Freidman, Bastiat, Neal Boortz et al.

[Regnum Dominae]

no i am firmly in the "taxes are theft" camp. F.A. von Hayek, Ayn Rand, Freidman, Bastiat, Neal Boortz et al.

Why do you think taxes are theft?

[New Randia]

i may even be somewhat to the right of Hayek on economics. and i am more libertarian than Ayn Rand.

[Farnhamia]

no i am firmly in the "taxes are theft" camp. F.A. von Hayek, Ayn Rand, Freidman, Bastiat, Neal Boortz et al.

Why do you think taxes are theft?

And you're asking this question in a Thread entitled "NSG Culture and the rules" ... why?

[Regnum Dominae]

Why do you think taxes are theft?

And you're asking this question in a Thread entitled "NSG Culture and the rules" ... why?

sorry, shouldn't have done that.

[Shaggai]

no i am firmly in the "taxes are theft" camp. F.A. von Hayek, Ayn Rand, Freidman, Bastiat, Neal Boortz et al.

I might consider you reasonable if you had those views and were Caninope, but otherwise yeah, I don't find those beliefs all that reasonable. Sorry.

[New Randia]

no i am firmly in the "taxes are theft" camp. F.A. von Hayek, Ayn Rand, Freidman, Bastiat, Neal Boortz et al.

Why do you think taxes are theft?

they are collected at the barrel of a gun to enforce a social contract that i did not sign and uphold an international community where there are no options for me to flee to.

[Regnum Dominae]

Why do you think taxes are theft?

they are collected at the barrel of a gun to enforce a social contract that i did not sign and uphold an international community where there are no options for me to flee to.

Sorry, I shouldn't have fed this threadjack. Let's get back on topic, or, you can create a thread if you want to discuss how "taxes are theft".

[New Randia]

i have other posts out there which anyone can read to see what my politics are. you might even find a rule violation or two (i have a nasty temper)

i dont remember ever being warned though...

[New Randia]

Why do you think taxes are theft?

And you're asking this question in a Thread entitled "NSG Culture and the rules" ... why?

i wasnt trying to thread jack. my post which started it all was about the state of right leaning debaters and a possible explaination of why they flame or are seen as otherwise unreasonable