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I have broken rules, but not gotten away with it, I don't let others get away with it.
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Ovisterra
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Postby Ovisterra » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:08 am

I don't think I've ever knowingly broken the rules. I've knowingly come damned close, but that's it.
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Divair
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Postby Divair » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:09 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ionian Knights wrote:
at least keep the titles.

You deserve the title of Khan ;)

no post count, editable titles

I believe editable titles were shot down because it's too hard to moderate given current software, no?
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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:18 am

Divair wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:no post count, editable titles

I believe editable titles were shot down because it's too hard to moderate given current software, no?

Yes.
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AiliailiA
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Postby AiliailiA » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:24 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Divair wrote:I believe editable titles were shot down because it's too hard to moderate given current software, no?

Yes.


Yes, but that doesn't rule out having no titles at all (except Forum Moderator etc)

Reploid Productions wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:I like the idea of custom titles alot.

Captain Buzzkill is here to ruin the day!

Sorry guys, but custom forum titles aren't gonna happen any time in the forseeable future. The forum software is rather poorly equipped for handling custom titles and particularly moderation ability to fix them if they're misused. Not gonna enable something that only one member of the team can fix whenever somebody decides to be cute and make their title something like "Almighty Penis of Sexytimes" or something equally inappropriate.

Captain Buzzkill, AWAAAAAAAAAAY! *throws a smokebomb and runs off while hidden by it*


EDIT: I take "only one member of the team to fix" means that poster titles can only be edited by an admin. Therefore abuse of them couldn't be reversed by a game or forum mod.

I still think we'd be better off without titles that are no more than a category based on postcount (given-titles like Issues Editor could stay). Or keep the titles and get rid of the postcount. It's redundant (ie clutter) to have both.
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What are the colons meant to convey here?
In my experience Colons usually convey shit

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AiliailiA
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Postby AiliailiA » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:45 am

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:1.Keep the post count on clicking on an individual account,
2. along with the 'search users posts' line seem reasonable?
3. Remove from the forum profile block next to every post,
4. but keep forum titles of one sort or another,
5. keep founding date/info and type?
Not an official mod stance, mind, just reading here and trying to get some feedback.


My preferences:
1. Yes, along with 'posts per day'.
2. "search user posts" should be kept.
3. I'd prefer post counts in that block, but as long as isn't hard to find (by clicking user's name) I don't mind.
4. Forum titles for forum officials should remain, simply having different colored names is not enough. All the forum titles based on postcount should go.
5. Founding date: keep. Nation type: meh.
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My name is voiced AIL-EE-AIL-EE-AH. My time zone: UTC.

Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
: eugenics :
What are the colons meant to convey here?
In my experience Colons usually convey shit

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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:48 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:1.Keep the post count on clicking on an individual account,
2. along with the 'search users posts' line seem reasonable?
3. Remove from the forum profile block next to every post,
4. but keep forum titles of one sort or another,
5. keep founding date/info and type?
Not an official mod stance, mind, just reading here and trying to get some feedback.


My preferences:
1. Yes, along with 'posts per day'.
2. "search user posts" should be kept.
3. I'd prefer post counts in that block, but as long as isn't hard to find (by clicking user's name) I don't mind.
4. Forum titles for forum officials should remain, simply having different colored names is not enough. All the forum titles based on postcount should go.
5. Founding date: keep. Nation type: meh.

Nation type can be useful in RP/WA.
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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AiliailiA
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Postby AiliailiA » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:52 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
My preferences:
1. Yes, along with 'posts per day'.
2. "search user posts" should be kept.
3. I'd prefer post counts in that block, but as long as isn't hard to find (by clicking user's name) I don't mind.
4. Forum titles for forum officials should remain, simply having different colored names is not enough. All the forum titles based on postcount should go.
5. Founding date: keep. Nation type: meh.

Nation type can be useful in RP/WA.


And I imagine it would be a-hassle/impossible to provide them in some forum but not another.

By "meh" I mean I don't have a preference. If I was a roleplayer I very likely would, but I don't speak for them.
My name is voiced AIL-EE-AIL-EE-AH. My time zone: UTC.

Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
: eugenics :
What are the colons meant to convey here?
In my experience Colons usually convey shit

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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:18 pm

Divair wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:no post count, editable titles

I believe editable titles were shot down because it's too hard to moderate given current software, no?


no idea, it would have to be eyeballed, like most other things i imagine.
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Frisbeeteria
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:34 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Divair wrote:I believe editable titles were shot down because it's too hard to moderate given current software, no?

no idea, it would have to be eyeballed, like most other things i imagine.

Answered earlier in the thread, actually.

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Thanatttynia
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Postby Thanatttynia » Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:53 pm

Another forum I frequently visit has an interesting system for their postcount- it lists the number of posts you've made next to your account name, but after you hit 1k it says 1000+. I'd say using this system with whatever number that is agreed upon in place of 1k be quite good- you'd get to see whether they're trolls or whether its worth having a debate with them, and it might eliminate some of the annoying 'yay howevermanyposts' posts.
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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:54 pm

Thanatttynia wrote:Another forum I frequently visit has an interesting system for their postcount- it lists the number of posts you've made next to your account name, but after you hit 1k it says 1000+. I'd say using this system with whatever number that is agreed upon in place of 1k be quite good- you'd get to see whether they're trolls or whether its worth having a debate with them, and it might eliminate some of the annoying 'yay howevermanyposts' posts.

I would set the threshold higher, 10k at the very least.

Plus, post count can be a very useful tool to have.
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Thanatttynia
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Postby Thanatttynia » Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:58 pm

Okay, I get you. It was a suggestion, I don't really want to change the system we have now very much.
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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:17 pm

Snafturi wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Grenartia- I'm not blaming you or the admins for fuck anything. If you read the rest of the discussion with CC and Dyakovo, you would've seen exactly that. I'm not blaming Snafturi for any shit either. I was inquiring as to why was that brought to NS when it happened offsite. Question was answered.

It's a fair question too, and I'm glad someone asked instead of just assuming they know my motives. And I know it's already been answered, but I wanted to answer it for myself.

It's relevant, on topic, and both issues that post raised are have been discussed in this thread. The reason I didn't email mods or file a GHR is partly a transparency issue. Partly because I know I'm not the only one who's seen this post, and thus wouldn't be the only one interested in the answer. Sure, I could have just said "Yeah, this thing that's not supposed to be happening again? It's happening again. Also, bias? Huh??" but for many reasons, I thought it was best to leave the post to speak for itself and add my own concerns below.

And sorry, I think I misunderstood your first post I responded to.


No harm done. And after some thought I understand your motives to bring it up.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:10 pm

Ovisterra wrote:I don't think I've ever knowingly broken the rules. I've knowingly come damned close, but that's it.


From what I recall, at least one of the times I was warned (and it was a while back, so I barely remember it, at all), what I got warned FOR wouldn't even be an offence now, much less a warnable one.

(I think it was something to do with the efficacy of prayer, and me presenting the allegedly 'trolling' opinion that maybe it didn't do anything - but like I say, it was a while back).
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:13 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:no idea, it would have to be eyeballed, like most other things i imagine.

Answered earlier in the thread, actually.



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ok just ditch post count, will not stop a lot of stuff, but every bit helps
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:15 pm

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Keep the post count on clicking on an individual account, along with the 'search users posts' line seem reasonable? Remove from the forum profile block next to every post, but keep forum titles of one sort or another, keep founding date/info and type? Not an official mod stance, mind, just reading here and trying to get some feedback.

Make it so. This has the Dyakovo seal of approval.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:16 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:



captain buzzkilll agaaainnnnnnnn

ok just ditch post count, will not stop a lot of stuff, but every bit helps


I don't get the issue with post counts. I tend to reply to the post, not the number of other posts a person has.

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:17 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:

captain buzzkilll agaaainnnnnnnn

ok just ditch post count, will not stop a lot of stuff, but every bit helps


I don't get the issue with post counts. I tend to reply to the post, not the number of other posts a person has.


Right? I hardly ever look at them. e.g. Last time I noticed Nana-chan's postcount, she had like 40k.
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Postby TaQud » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:19 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Keep the post count on clicking on an individual account, along with the 'search users posts' line seem reasonable? Remove from the forum profile block next to every post, but keep forum titles of one sort or another, keep founding date/info and type? Not an official mod stance, mind, just reading here and trying to get some feedback.

Make it so. This has the Dyakovo seal of approval.
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Postby Zavea » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:20 pm

it's my opinion that post counts only have a negative effect. i mean sure they can be amusing, like little flavor text, but their existence incentivizes people flooding the forums just to boost their post count. the inclusion of post counts (an entirely arbitrary number not really useful for judging anything) leads to egotism from people having thousands and thousands of posts and claiming to be the best poster on the forum

i say this mostly because ever since i came back to the game in late 2012, i noticed a lot of nations that had only been founded in 2011-2012 hawking absurd post counts well into the thousands. like if they want to post that much, more power to them, but i don't see any reason why that arbitrary number needs to be displayed. but even if there is a positive reason, it's automatically diminished by the ego problems post counts bring.

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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:20 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:

captain buzzkilll agaaainnnnnnnn

ok just ditch post count, will not stop a lot of stuff, but every bit helps


I don't get the issue with post counts. I tend to reply to the post, not the number of other posts a person has.

I don't look at the basically ever, I do however see people going on about them far too much.
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Postby Aldheim » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:20 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:

captain buzzkilll agaaainnnnnnnn

ok just ditch post count, will not stop a lot of stuff, but every bit helps


I don't get the issue with post counts. I tend to reply to the post, not the number of other posts a person has.


I think the main issue people have with the post count is that it gives some people an incentive to spam
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:21 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
I don't get the issue with post counts. I tend to reply to the post, not the number of other posts a person has.

I don't look at the basically ever, I do however see people going on about them far too much.


Where do you see this?

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Thanatttynia
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Postby Thanatttynia » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:25 pm

Zavea wrote:it's my opinion that post counts only have a negative effect. i mean sure they can be amusing, like little flavor text, but their existence incentivizes people flooding the forums just to boost their post count. the inclusion of post counts (an entirely arbitrary number not really useful for judging anything) leads to egotism from people having thousands and thousands of posts and claiming to be the best poster on the forum

i say this mostly because ever since i came back to the game in late 2012, i noticed a lot of nations that had only been founded in 2011-2012 hawking absurd post counts well into the thousands. like if they want to post that much, more power to them, but i don't see any reason why that arbitrary number needs to be displayed. but even if there is a positive reason, it's automatically diminished by the ego problems post counts bring.

just my 0.02


I see your point- I regularly see nations with 5000+ posts which I've never come across before.
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Frisivisia
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Postby Frisivisia » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:30 pm

Zavea wrote:it's my opinion that post counts only have a negative effect. i mean sure they can be amusing, like little flavor text, but their existence incentivizes people flooding the forums just to boost their post count. the inclusion of post counts (an entirely arbitrary number not really useful for judging anything) leads to egotism from people having thousands and thousands of posts and claiming to be the best poster on the forum

i say this mostly because ever since i came back to the game in late 2012, i noticed a lot of nations that had only been founded in 2011-2012 hawking absurd post counts well into the thousands. like if they want to post that much, more power to them, but i don't see any reason why that arbitrary number needs to be displayed. but even if there is a positive reason, it's automatically diminished by the ego problems post counts bring.

just my 0.02

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