Amash amendment shot down by Congress and White House

[Abatael]

I see no evidence of narcissism, greed or the endorsement of suppression from Congress.

Try looking at them then

So your subjective opinion counts as evidence of narcissism now?

[The Scientific States]

There is a lot of evidence that congress is a greedy, suppression loving government body.

And where would that evidence be?

Just look at the thread itself. Congress wants to make sure the NSA can do what they want and infringe on people's privacy.

Regarding greed congress always votes against increased welfare and healthcare, and lobbying plays a major influence in congress.

[Komi Rus]

There is a lot of evidence that congress is a greedy, suppression loving government body.

And where would that evidence be?

They shoot down bills supporting the constitution and support their own raises

[Everia]

There is a lot of evidence that congress is a greedy, suppression loving government body.

And where would that evidence be?

Everywhere.

[Abatael]

And where would that evidence be?

Just look at the thread itself. Congress wants to make sure the NSA can do what they want and infringe on people's privacy.

Regarding greed congress always votes against increased welfare and healthcare, and lobbying plays a major influence in congress.

First of all, that's loaded with bias.

Second of all, even if that were true, it would not be evidence of narcissism. But it's not true.

And if they are always voting against healthcare, how is it that Obamacare passed and if I recall correctly, over twenty attempts to get it repealed failed? (However, this would be off-topic; so I won't be discussing this anymore.)

[Helvereos]

And where would that evidence be?

Everywhere.

Yep. Take NSG, for instance.

[The Scientific States]

Just look at the thread itself. Congress wants to make sure the NSA can do what they want and infringe on people's privacy.

Regarding greed congress always votes against increased welfare and healthcare, and lobbying plays a major influence in congress.

First of all, that's loaded with bias.

Second of all, even if that were true, it would not be evidence of narcissism. But it's not true.

And if they are always voting against healthcare, how is it that Obamacare passed and if I recall correctly, over twenty attempts to get it repealed failed? (However, this would be off-topic; so I won't be discussing this anymore.)

Obamacare took a long, long time to pass.

Also what I said is not bias, it's fact.

[New haven america]

I'm pretty sure CONGRESS stands for Collection Of Narcissists Greedily Ruling (by) Endorsing Surveillance (and) Suppression.

Smart person^

[Abatael]

And where would that evidence be?

They shoot down bills supporting the constitution and support their own raises

What have they shot down that would support the Constitution? And as to them increasing there own pay, that may be considered a fault with the system, but it is what it is. (I realize that's a poor response to it, but it would be off-topic.)

And where would that evidence be?

Everywhere.

So nowhere.

[Komi Rus]

They shoot down bills supporting the constitution and support their own raises

What have they shot down that would support the Constitution? And as to them increasing there own pay, that may be considered a fault with the system, but it is what it is. (I realize that's a poor response to it, but it would be off-topic.)

Everywhere.

So nowhere.

Amash, Right to privacy unless a warrant is given is the fourth amendment in a nutshell

[Everia]

They shoot down bills supporting the constitution and support their own raises

What have they shot down that would support the Constitution? And as to them increasing there own pay, that may be considered a fault with the system, but it is what it is. (I realize that's a poor response to it, but it would be off-topic.)

The Amash amendment for instance.

[Abatael]

First of all, that's loaded with bias.

Second of all, even if that were true, it would not be evidence of narcissism. But it's not true.

And if they are always voting against healthcare, how is it that Obamacare passed and if I recall correctly, over twenty attempts to get it repealed failed? (However, this would be off-topic; so I won't be discussing this anymore.)

Obamacare took a long, long time to pass.

Also what I said is not bias, it's fact.

". . . wants to make sure the NSA can do what they want and infringe on people's privacy." That's biased and warped.
They never once did that. The NSA requires proper warrants and only looks at the caller, the one being called, the frequency of calls and the duration of calls. It is looking at what could be considered private, but it is not infringing it, where "to infringe" means to disobey or disregard something, such as the law or one's rights.

[Abatael]

What have they shot down that would support the Constitution? And as to them increasing there own pay, that may be considered a fault with the system, but it is what it is. (I realize that's a poor response to it, but it would be off-topic.)



So nowhere.

Amash, Right to privacy unless a warrant is given is the fourth amendment

Amash is some idiotic, tinpot amendment proposal that should be trashed. And give me one example of when the NSA has recorded phone-call information without a warrant.

[Yes Im Biop]

Amash, Right to privacy unless a warrant is given is the fourth amendment

Amash is some idiotic, tinpot amendment proposal that should be trashed. And give me one example of when the NSA has recorded phone-call information without a warrant.

They don't use warrant's so every time

[Komi Rus]

Obamacare took a long, long time to pass.

Also what I said is not bias, it's fact.

". . . wants to make sure the NSA can do what they want and infringe on people's privacy." That's biased and warped.
They never once did that. The NSA requires proper warrants and only looks at the caller, the one being called, the frequency of calls and the duration of calls. It is looking at what could be considered private, but it is not infringing it, where "to infringe" means to disobey or disregard something, such as the law or one's rights.

they are disobeying/disregarding the bill of rights

[Blasveck]

Fuck all this. Just fuck everything. If I can't even live in my own country without being spied on, I might as well leave. It's to stop "Counterterrorism"?

"Those who value security over freedom deserve neither."

-Benjamin Franklin

[Abatael]

Amash is some idiotic, tinpot amendment proposal that should be trashed. And give me one example of when the NSA has recorded phone-call information without a warrant.

They don't use warrant's so every time

What?

". . . wants to make sure the NSA can do what they want and infringe on people's privacy." That's biased and warped.
They never once did that. The NSA requires proper warrants and only looks at the caller, the one being called, the frequency of calls and the duration of calls. It is looking at what could be considered private, but it is not infringing it, where "to infringe" means to disobey or disregard something, such as the law or one's rights.

they are disobeying/disregarding the bill of rights

How? They have obtained all of the proper warrants necessary to do this via every legal channel. No law was broken. It was entirely within the Bill of Rights as they most certainly obtained a warrant for each case.

[Abatael]

Fuck all this. Just fuck everything. If I can't even live in my own country without being spied on, I might as well leave. It's to stop "Counterterrorism"?

"Those who value security over freedom deserve neither."

-Benjamin Franklin

Then leave. No one is going to stop you. Or even try to stop you.

[Komi Rus]

Fuck all this. Just fuck everything. If I can't even live in my own country without being spied on, I might as well leave. It's to stop "Counterterrorism"?

"Those who value security over freedom deserve neither."

-Benjamin Franklin

great quote by the way, unfortunately too few influential people agree

[The blood ravens]

Fuck all this. Just fuck everything. If I can't even live in my own country without being spied on, I might as well leave. It's to stop "Counterterrorism"?

"Those who value security over freedom deserve neither."

-Benjamin Franklin

[Luziyca]

Day by day, I am quite thankful I was born in Canada and not south of it. At this point, if the Republicans win a majority in the 2014 election for the House of "Representatives", I strongly wish the last person to leave the United States would turn off the lights, for a shitload of reasons. This is one of them.

To quote Maurepas on this matter...

I had high hopes for it, but I'm not surprised it didn't pass. The US Government has clearly demonstrated it doesn't give a shit about its people or their rights.

[Divair]

Surprise.

[Blasveck]

Fuck all this. Just fuck everything. If I can't even live in my own country without being spied on, I might as well leave. It's to stop "Counterterrorism"?

"Those who value security over freedom deserve neither."

-Benjamin Franklin

Then leave. No one is going to stop you. Or even try to stop you.

And do nothing about it? Hells no.

[Everia]

Day by day, I am quite thankful I was born in Canada and not south of it. At this point, if the Republicans win a majority in the 2014 election for the House of "Representatives", I strongly wish the last person to leave the United States would turn off the lights, for a shitload of reasons. This is one of them.

To quote Maurepas on this matter...

I had high hopes for it, but I'm not surprised it didn't pass. The US Government has clearly demonstrated it doesn't give a shit about its people or their rights.

I personally blame both parties for being retarded and generally not giving a shit. That's not to say I'm some lolbertarian though.

[Seperates]

Fuck all this. Just fuck everything. If I can't even live in my own country without being spied on, I might as well leave. It's to stop "Counterterrorism"?

"Those who value security over freedom deserve neither."

-Benjamin Franklin

Although I'd have say to that... Just because somebody somewhere said something doesn't make it true. I sincerely hope that you don't mean that seriously.

Oh, and I agree that Congress is obviously delaying a bill that should be important to our civil rights.