Should we eliminate race labeling?

[Ifreann]

They don't physically exist, sure, except at border crossings, but they do legally and politically exist.

Imaginary, yet very clearly interacting with reality. Fascinating.

So not imaginary at all?



Racists like to concoct a narrative of deep biological differences between races and yeah, they're wrong. But race isn't actually based on deep biological differences. Its based on appearance, and inferences/assumptions about ancestry based on that.

So, black people have the same colour skin as white people? Please, share more of your wisdom with us.

black people is no a monophilic grouping however.

These two guys guy



are more closely related to each other than either is to this guy



black people, or white people is no more a valid race than bald people is.

I'm well aware. But as I said, race isn't based on deep biological differences, just appearance.

[Sociobiology]

black people is no a monophilic grouping however.

These two guys guy
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are more closely related to each other than either is to this guy

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black people, or white people is no more a valid race than bald people is.

I'm well aware. But as I said, race isn't based on deep biological differences, just appearance.

so again by that justification bald is a race.

[Ifreann]

I'm well aware. But as I said, race isn't based on deep biological differences, just appearance.

so again by that justification bald is a race.

Yes, obviously that is exactly what I'm saying. You've found me out, I'm really just a nut.

[Conscentia]

How are they not? Nations are divided by imaginary lines,

They don't physically exist, sure, except at border crossings, but they do legally and politically exist.

Indeed. The national borders do not physically exist. However people act as though they do, which means that people are convinced of a need to defend them.

classes are the result of imbalances in an imaginary form of power,

Imaginary, yet very clearly interacting with reality. Fascinating.

Class does not interact with reality. The concept of class, however, does influence our behaviour.

If I were hallucinating, and believed I were on fire, I'd behave as though I were even though I am not.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that the fictional can influence behaviour?
Happens all the time in the form of religion.

and gender is the arbitrary division of traits between masculine & feminine.

So not imaginary at all?

The division is imagined. In reality, there is no reason to label these traits masculine and those traits feminine.

Racists like to concoct a narrative of deep biological differences between races and yeah, they're wrong. But race isn't actually based on deep biological differences. Its based on appearance, and inferences/assumptions about ancestry based on that.

Yes, and if race were real, those inferences/assumptions would be correct, even if just in part, and biological evidence for the existence of racial groups within humans would exist.

So, black people have the same colour skin as white people? Please, share more of your wisdom with us.

That isn't what I said at all.

[Ifreann]

They don't physically exist, sure, except at border crossings, but they do legally and politically exist.

Indeed. The national borders do not physically exist. However people act as though they do, which means that people are convinced of a need to defend them.

Imaginary, yet very clearly interacting with reality. Fascinating.

Class does not interact with reality. The concept of class, however, does influence our behaviour.

If I were hallucinating, and believed I were on fire, I'd behave as though I were even though I am not.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that the fictional can influence behaviour?
Happens all the time in the form of religion.

So not imaginary at all?

The division is imagined. In reality, there is no reason to label these traits masculine and those traits feminine.

Racists like to concoct a narrative of deep biological differences between races and yeah, they're wrong. But race isn't actually based on deep biological differences. Its based on appearance, and inferences/assumptions about ancestry based on that.

Yes, and if race were real, those inferences/assumptions would be correct, even if just in part, and biological evidence for the existence of racial groups within humans would exist.

So people of different races now look the same. Cool.

So, black people have the same colour skin as white people? Please, share more of your wisdom with us.

That isn't what I said at all.

No, but it's the obvious conclusion. People are classified as black based mostly on the darkness of their skin. You say that there is no biological evidence to support this distinction, therefore either skin colour isn't biological, or people don't actually have dark or light skin.

[Saiwania]

Indeed. The national borders do not physically exist. However people act as though they do, which means that people are convinced of a need to defend them.

I'll have you know that the border between North and South Korea does physically exist.

[Conscentia]

So people of different races now look the same. Cool.

I never said that at all.
Stop with the strawman fallacy.

No, but it's the obvious conclusion. People are classified as black based mostly on the darkness of their skin. You say that there is no biological evidence to support this distinction, therefore either skin colour isn't biological, or people don't actually have dark or light skin.

No it isn't the obvious conclusion.
Racial classification isn't based solely on skin tone. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craniometry#Race.2C_identity_and_cranio-facial_description)
Skin colour on it's own is not evidence for the existence of distinct races in the human species.

[Conscentia]

Indeed. The national borders do not physically exist. However people act as though they do, which means that people are convinced of a need to defend them.

I'll have you know that the border between North and South Korea does physically exist.

How so?

[Qahadim]

I'll have you know that the border between North and South Korea does physically exist.

How so?

My assumption would be the fence that separates the two countries. That would be a borderline that is physically tangible.

[Sibirsky]

Sad to say, statistics do show that majority of black and latino score low. But they want to know that information so they seek it, racially. And they shouldn't.

They shouldn't... try to learn anything... about the country they're empowered to run?

They should.

They should look at the racial effects of every law on the books. And if one group of people is disproportionately affected, it needs a thorough look into the causes.

[Conscentia]

How so?

My assumption would be the fence that separates the two countries. That would be a borderline that is physically tangible.

The fence is real - but the jurisdiction boundary is imaginary.

[Conservative Idealism]

Not mentioning race doesn't make it go away. It's an observation, and considering it often applies to the pigmentation of one's skin it can be a visually glaring one.

It's when people use this observation to discriminate against others that there's a problem.

[Conscentia]

Not mentioning race doesn't make it go away. It's an observation, and considering it often applies to the pigmentation of one's skin it can be a visually glaring one.

It's when people use this observation to discriminate against others that there's a problem.

Racial classification isn't based solely on skin tone. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craniometry#Race.2C_identity_and_cranio-facial_description)

[Norstal]

I don't know what part of "it's not scientifically accurate" you don't understand.

Or perhaps it's your ethnocentric view of only recognizing the European concept of race as opposed to, you know, non-European ones? And here folks, is someone who claims to not recognize races and be racist at the same time.

Like I said before races can be based on anything, including ethnicity. See this part of your source?



Yeah...next time, try reading your own source.

You should give reading a try yourself...

"in China, where a concept often translated as "race"" - The term "race" is used as an imperfect translation for a Chinese word referring to a similar but different concept.

Stop twisting words. It doesn't mean an "imperfect translation." Especially when it's specifically used to stress ethnicity. This is not ignorance anymore. You're outright rejecting non-European definition of race. Why is that?

[The Grey Wolf]

Change the "labeling" to "mixing," and I agree in full.

[Choronzon]

Change the "labeling" to "mixing," and I agree in full.

Every time I see this kind of comment I get the urge to run out and have hot, dirty sex with a black girl.

[Lemanrussland]

Change the "labeling" to "mixing," and I agree in full.

Every time I see this kind of comment I get the urge to run out and have hot, dirty sex with a black girl.

You monster! W-white genocide!

[Norstal]

Every time I see this kind of comment I get the urge to run out and have hot, dirty sex with a black girl.

You monster! W-white genocide!

That's it then. As a minority, I shall make it my mission to get a white girl.

[Frisivisia]

Change the "labeling" to "mixing," and I agree in full.

Think about it. If it weren't for race mixing, UHBAHMUH wouldn't be President.

Checkmate atheists.

[Conscentia]

You should give reading a try yourself...
"in China, where a concept often translated as "race"" - The term "race" is used as an imperfect translation for a Chinese word referring to a similar but different concept.

Stop twisting words. It doesn't mean an "imperfect translation." Especially when it's specifically used to stress ethnicity. This is not ignorance anymore. You're outright rejecting non-European definition of race. Why is that?

I am not twisting words. It clearly says "often", as in "not always".
The concept then described is the common ancestry of the Chinese people from the Yellow Emperor. This is not the same as the concept of race - the idea that humans fall into biologically distinct groups called races. (Essentially, that there are subspecies within modern humans.)

Change the "labeling" to "mixing," and I agree in full.

Why?

[OptimusOctopus]

Why does america call all their people, "X-American"?

Or better yet, since they all originate in America, why don't we all call them, "Americans"?

[Eaglleia]

No.

[The Whaltrean District]

No.

[Agorya]

Why does america call all their people, "X-American"?

Or better yet, since they all originate in America, why don't we all call them, "Americans"?

Cuz liberals want to foster multiculturalism while eroding the identities of people who are immigrants.

[Saiwania]

That's it then. As a minority, I shall make it my mission to get a white girl.

Just to clarify, do you not want White people to exist or do you think they are doing just fine demographically speaking; and that you find White women attractive?