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Postby Caninope » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:20 pm

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Sardine World wrote:all it is is for statistics
take a fuckin chill pill

Statistics that have a use. You don't understand why they use these statistics. This is a certain population of so called "minorities" in the U.S. continue to live in poverty because the government profiles them and encourage eternal welfare.

That's really not what happens.
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Postby Terran Faction » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:20 pm

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:
Terran Faction wrote:Statistics that have a use. You don't understand why they use these statistics. This is a certain population of so called "minorities" in the U.S. continue to live in poverty because the government profiles them and encourage eternal welfare.

It's a sick system we live in. They just labeled that George Zimmerman guy a white man even though he wasn't. Because the media knows it's strange for a "minority" to kill the "minority" so they had to caucasianize him for the benefit of racism.

You could not be any more incorrect.


So you want to live in a world where someone identifies you by your "race"?
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:20 pm

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Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:You could not be any more incorrect.


So you want to live in a world where someone identifies you by your "race"?

That's not even close to what is going on here.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:20 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:It's a social construct. It is what it is and it's not really the problem.

It's the dimpleheads who use it to lesson the worth of other people......

Race Labeling from the government is the real reason this whole world is racist, because we continue to put it in society.


Race labeling is not the creation of government. People have been doing it since they started forming villages/towns/society.

We are far far from the color blind society. Outlawing race labeling will not help it.

One way you can measure "progress" would be the use of the word nigger. When you see people reading it or saying it and people aren't stunned or angered; we will closer. Well? cynicism says something else will take it's place.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:20 pm

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Sardine World wrote:all it is is for statistics
take a fuckin chill pill

Statistics that have a use. You don't understand why they use these statistics. This is a certain population of so called "minorities" in the U.S. continue to live in poverty because the government profiles them and encourage eternal welfare.

It's a sick system we live in. They just labeled that George Zimmerman guy a white man even though he wasn't. Because the media knows it's strange for a "minority" to kill the "minority" so they had to caucasianize him for the benefit of racism.

Dude wat.
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Postby Libertarian California » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:21 pm

I'm divided. On one side, I'd like to see it eliminated. On the other side, I think the statistics could serve a purpose.


I always feel uncomfortable on applications where I am supposed to identity my race/ethnicity. Technically, in the eyes of the government, I could qualify as a "Hispanic or Latino". However, I look white (I'm blond, blue eyed, my name is William, and I'm whiter than sour cream), subscribe to Anglo-American culture as actively as possible, and consider myself to be a "white American".

However, my parents want me to succeed (nothing wrong with that), and they always tell me to say that I'm "Hispanic or Latino" in order to take advantage of affirmative action programs various schools and companies have in place. This part, I hate. I do not consider myself to be Hispanic or Latino. However, my parents make me put it down anyways.

It feels really wrong, for a number of reasons. 1. I'm not a Hispanic or Latino. 2. I'm cheating the system.


This is partly why I'd like to see the race label eliminated from applications, and partly why I'm opposed to affirmative action.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:23 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:
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With that logic, we should keep Nazis.

With your logic, ban everything.

Seriously, lots of people find lots of different things offensive.
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Postby Terran Faction » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:23 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Terran Faction wrote:Race Labeling from the government is the real reason this whole world is racist, because we continue to put it in society.


Race labeling is not the creation of government. People have been doing it since they started forming villages/towns/society.

We are far far from the color blind society. Outlawing race labeling will not help it.

One way you can measure "progress" would be the use of the word nigger. When you see people reading it or saying it and people aren't stunned or angered; we will closer. Well? cynicism says something else will take it's place.



Well, race labeling and racism has started when man discovered that other men that look differently co-exist. But we are progressing. And look, I am not much of a social progressive and I see racism as huge problem. But the so-called Social Progressives actually encourage racism. Everything has to be racially-beneficial for people. It's why Black History Month exists and it doesn't do shit.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:23 pm

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Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:You could not be any more incorrect.


So you want to live in a world where someone identifies you by your "race"?


Depends on how it's used. If I am in India and somebody says look for the white guy, why would that be offensive?
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Postby Caninope » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:23 pm

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Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:You could not be any more incorrect.


So you want to live in a world where someone identifies you by your "race"?

I wouldn't mind that, so long as race is reduced to something relatively insignificant outside of being a purely physical feature.

Of course, that won't happen anytime soon, and we need to work towards that. To do that, it'd help to have accurate statistics.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:24 pm

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Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:You could not be any more incorrect.


So you want to live in a world where someone identifies you by your "race"?

As long as people don't act racist, like they do now.
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:25 pm

No, you are whatever race/ethnicity you are. There is nothing wrong with that.
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:26 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
Race labeling is not the creation of government. People have been doing it since they started forming villages/towns/society.

We are far far from the color blind society. Outlawing race labeling will not help it.

One way you can measure "progress" would be the use of the word nigger. When you see people reading it or saying it and people aren't stunned or angered; we will closer. Well? cynicism says something else will take it's place.



Well, race labeling and racism has started when man discovered that other men that look differently co-exist. But we are progressing. And look, I am not much of a social progressive and I see racism as huge problem. But the so-called Social Progressives actually encourage racism. Everything has to be racially-beneficial for people. It's why Black History Month exists and it doesn't do shit.

Yes, black history month is super racist. Of course. That's exactly what's going on. :roll:
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Postby Libertarian California » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:26 pm

The Scientific States wrote:No, you are whatever race/ethnicity you are. There is nothing wrong with that.


My mom seems to have an aversion to me identifying as white, even though that's what I fucking am.
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Postby Agorya » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:26 pm

Yes. We should see each others as individuals. The categorization of race is primitive collectivism.
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Postby Terran Faction » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:26 pm

New haven america wrote:
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So you want to live in a world where someone identifies you by your "race"?

As long as people don't act racist, as they do now.

Do you even understand racism? Racism comes in many forms. When people think racism, they think of name-calling and racial slurs.

No.

Even if it's for positive reasons, it can still be racists. Helping out a specific race because you think the race needs help is racist.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:26 pm

New haven america wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:With your logic, ban everything.

Seriously, lots of people find lots of different things offensive.

Yes, plz.

Man, now that I think about it Brits and Former Brits have been throwing some bad crap lately.

How will that happen though?
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Postby Caninope » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:26 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
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So you want to live in a world where someone identifies you by your "race"?


Depends on how it's used. If I am in India and somebody says look for the white guy, why would that be offensive?

Or, for instance, let's say that I want to report one of my best friends missing.

I'd tell the police that he was short, loud, wore glasses, had short curly hair, and was black. Did I include race there? Yes. Is that racist? No. Much like everything else, context is important.
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New haven america wrote:As long as people don't act racist, as they do now.

Do you even understand racism? Racism comes in many forms. When people think racism, they think of name-calling and racial slurs.

No.

Even if it's for positive reasons, it can still be racists. Helping out a specific race because you think the race needs help is racist.

No it's not, what kind of dope have you been smoking?
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:27 pm

Agorya wrote:Yes. We should see each others as individuals. The categorization of race is primitive collectivism.


I guess. But you can't deny that there are different ethnicities in this world.
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Postby New Libertarian States » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:27 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
Race labeling is not the creation of government. People have been doing it since they started forming villages/towns/society.

We are far far from the color blind society. Outlawing race labeling will not help it.

One way you can measure "progress" would be the use of the word nigger. When you see people reading it or saying it and people aren't stunned or angered; we will closer. Well? cynicism says something else will take it's place.



Well, race labeling and racism has started when man discovered that other men that look differently co-exist. But we are progressing. And look, I am not much of a social progressive and I see racism as huge problem. But the so-called Social Progressives actually encourage racism. Everything has to be racially-beneficial for people. It's why Black History Month exists and it doesn't do shit.

I actually don't give a nipple about black history month.
Or any racially motivated month.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:27 pm

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New haven america wrote:As long as people don't act racist, as they do now.

Do you even understand racism? Racism comes in many forms. When people think racism, they think of name-calling and racial slurs.

No.

Even if it's for positive reasons, it can still be racists. Helping out a specific race because you think the race needs help is racist.

What the fuck are you smoking? I want some.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:28 pm

Terran Faction wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Race labeling is not the creation of government. People have been doing it since they started forming villages/towns/society.

We are far far from the color blind society. Outlawing race labeling will not help it.

One way you can measure "progress" would be the use of the word nigger. When you see people reading it or saying it and people aren't stunned or angered; we will closer. Well? cynicism says something else will take it's place.



Well, race labeling and racism has started when man discovered that other men that look differently co-exist. But we are progressing. And look, I am not much of a social progressive and I see racism as huge problem. But the so-called Social Progressives actually encourage racism. Everything has to be racially-beneficial for people. It's why Black History Month exists and it doesn't do shit.


I disagree. We have made strides in areas. When I was a kid; people would openly stare at a black/white couple. This was the liberal state of California. Now? People look but it's more passing then out right stares.

There are problems sure. But to suggest things are super bad?.......
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Postby Caninope » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:29 pm

Terran Faction wrote:
New haven america wrote:As long as people don't act racist, as they do now.

Do you even understand racism? Racism comes in many forms. When people think racism, they think of name-calling and racial slurs.

No.

Even if it's for positive reasons, it can still be racists. Helping out a specific race because you think the race needs help is racist.

That's not right either, unless you're willing to tell me that the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments are racist. They were formulated, quite explicitly, to help black people.

It's racism if you help a certain race because of your expectations of that race.
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