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Postby Caninope » Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:34 am

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Sociobiology wrote:exactly.
"I don't believe in living in harmony with people from other cultures" is a bad thing.
Also very unamerican.


Multiculturalism is terrible. Ask the Roman Empire.

The Roman Empire was multicultural from its very founding. In fact, that was one of its greatest strengths.
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Postby Norstal » Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:46 am

Caninope wrote:
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Multiculturalism is terrible. Ask the Roman Empire.

The Roman Empire was multicultural from its very founding. In fact, that was one of its greatest strengths.

I think what they're saying is that it collapsed.

Which is lulz.
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Postby Hallistar » Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:50 am

OptimusOctopus wrote:Why does america call all their people, "X-American"?

Or better yet, since they all originate in America, why don't we all call them, "Americans"?


It's the same with Canada, albeit the X is replaced with nationality there.

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Postby Norstal » Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:51 am

Hallistar wrote:
OptimusOctopus wrote:Why does america call all their people, "X-American"?

Or better yet, since they all originate in America, why don't we all call them, "Americans"?


It's the same with Canada, albeit the X is replaced with nationality there.

Same with the British. The French. The Chinese...Australians...Indonesians...

Holy crap, it's everyone!
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Postby Hallistar » Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:52 am

Norstal wrote:
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It's the same with Canada, albeit the X is replaced with nationality there.

Same with the British. The French. The Chinese...Australians...Indonesians...

Holy crap, it's everyone!


Holy crap - that's entirely the point. It's not some unique American phenomenon.
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Postby Quackquackhonk » Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:03 pm

AETEN II wrote:What I do call bullshit though is people that don't want police officers to use race as means to track down a criminal on the run.


i've never heard anyone, would you provide evidence that this is a real thing?

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Postby OptimusOctopus » Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:36 pm

Hallistar wrote:
Norstal wrote:Same with the British. The French. The Chinese...Australians...Indonesians...

Holy crap, it's everyone!


Holy crap - that's entirely the point. It's not some unique American phenomenon.


Well, it shouldn't be anywhere!

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Postby Norstal » Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:52 am

OptimusOctopus wrote:
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Holy crap - that's entirely the point. It's not some unique American phenomenon.


Well, it shouldn't be anywhere!

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The hell do you mean? Different cultures have different ways of accepting people. And most immigrants want to retain some of their culture as well.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:58 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
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No I insist, I'm a White American because I'm White and there is no way that I'm the same as an Asian, Black, Latino, or native American person. For one thing, we all come from completely different histories and subcultures.


Uh no you come from the exact same history and culture if you were raised in the same place.

the closest thing you can get to valid races for humans has several "black" races and one race that included everyone else including many black people.
A Scandinavian, Incan, and Australian Aborigine are all more closely related to each other than two random Sub-saharan Africans are.


I've had an idea for a thread based on that kicking around in my head for a while.

You actually could make a decent argument that there is a "Master Race" if you define your "races" by genetics instead of skin color.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:00 am

The Truth and Light wrote:Race labeling should only be eliminated as soon as race stops being a significant factor in our everyday lives.

Which couldn't, and shouldn't happen.


It should happen.

We're looking for diversity, not homogeneity.


Why do we have to look for either one?
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Postby Avenio » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:09 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:
Uh no you come from the exact same history and culture if you were raised in the same place.

the closest thing you can get to valid races for humans has several "black" races and one race that included everyone else including many black people.
A Scandinavian, Incan, and Australian Aborigine are all more closely related to each other than two random Sub-saharan Africans are.


I've had an idea for a thread based on that kicking around in my head for a while.

You actually could make a decent argument that there is a "Master Race" if you define your "races" by genetics instead of skin color.


I dunno. When you start basing 'races' upon genetic groupings, you're walking a razor's edge between making yourself irrelevant by focusing too much on the genetics (ie by accidentally revealing just how small the differences between phylogenetic 'races' are) and failing to make said 'races' meaningful in any way, particularly considering genetic relatedness isn't tied to appearance or geography inherently.

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Postby Ancient Magmia » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:10 am

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^This. I don't see an issue with it.
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Postby Freelanderness » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:33 am

Race can be an important part of a person's identity, and can provide useful information about areas of discrimination. Eg: if we did not keep data on the race of prisoners, we would never know how blatantly un-blind justice is, and could maybe do something about it. (unless ofc no one does anything anyway)
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Postby DrakoBlaria » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:34 am

The fact that "Asian" is consindered a race should be a crime by itself
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:36 am

DrakoBlaria wrote:The fact that "Asian" is consindered a race should be a crime by itself

You're right, it ought to be Eurasian.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:39 am

Avenio wrote:
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I've had an idea for a thread based on that kicking around in my head for a while.

You actually could make a decent argument that there is a "Master Race" if you define your "races" by genetics instead of skin color.


I dunno. When you start basing 'races' upon genetic groupings, you're walking a razor's edge between making yourself irrelevant by focusing too much on the genetics (ie by accidentally revealing just how small the differences between phylogenetic 'races' are) and failing to make said 'races' meaningful in any way, particularly considering genetic relatedness isn't tied to appearance or geography inherently.


Not really. It's pretty simple to come up with a system of 3 genetically-based races, one of which dominates the world. There is nothing embarrassing to accidentally reveal because this is not a political ideology that intends to turn races into castes. It's not a tool designed to justify ethnic nationalism or discrimination based on appearance.

And genetically-defined "races" would be far from meaningless. There is a huge amount of economic inequality between them.
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Postby Rachel Miller » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:56 am

Its really shocking to know that in this 21 century also people care about one another race, caste, creed or religion. Cant all be same and be known as human kind just?

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Postby Aquafireland » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:36 am

Well there are some pros and cons to it. The pros are that you can identify the client easily. The cons is that it's kind of racist.
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Postby Aquafireland » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:37 am

Rachel Miller wrote:Its really shocking to know that in this 21 century also people care about one another race, caste, creed or religion. Cant all be same and be known as human kind just?


Well, you actually have a point, my friend.
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Postby Kleomentia » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:35 am

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Postby Coccygia » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:05 am

Well I just want to say I am offended at being called white. i am not white. I am pink, or perhaps a sort of pinkish beige. Why do they call me white? What am I, a goddamned albino or something? Huh? I am not white! I am a proud European-American.
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