UK - porn block plan to stop "childhood corrosion"

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm saying it's deliciously hypocritical to bemoan people looking at porn when every time you post you're looking at a woman's mostly naked breasts.

80% covered up actually. Yes. bored and did a pixel count

How much is covered up is wholly irrelevant when the entirety of the cleavage is on display and there is apparently no support of fixing within the costume to actually hold the breasts in place.

[Divair]

Whatever is "icky" or "dishonourable" or "not good".

See also: degenerate, liberal.

Sexualized degenerate liberal traitors etcetc

[Munrova]

Whatever is "icky" or "dishonourable" or "not good".

See also: degenerate, liberal.

You mean "libtard"

Also: Un-Christian, vile

[Northern Dominus]

First of all, see what I did there? I made a big general statement and applied it to a broad genre indiscriminately. I stereotyped.... look familiar.

Okay then, I'll bite. What is pornography? What is the broad-based definition that should be the legal benchmark? Define that line in the sand for us.

Whatever is "icky" or "dishonourable" or "not good".

That was my theory...but I'll give ol Zweite a chance to make his point cogent.

The sexualization of fictional characters still objectifies women. Some people will be influenced by that depiction of women as sexual objects, whether or not the woman in question is real. Either way, it's going to happen and as long as everything is consensual and no one is hurt, why bother banning anything?

What exactly is the difference between objectifying and admiring?

Eh, there's the slippery slope of being reduced to a sex object rather than admired for being a sexual being with their own agency. Unfortunately that's yet another hazy line of more debate.

[The Blue Wolf Federation]

First of all, see what I did there? I made a big general statement and applied it to a broad genre indiscriminately. I stereotyped.... look familiar.

Okay then, I'll bite. What is pornography? What is the broad-based definition that should be the legal benchmark? Define that line in the sand for us.

Whatever is "icky" or "dishonourable" or "not good".

Yeah, and now we come back to the problem of definition. Is porn recognition of the features of the female body? There are some cartoons for children that have the female characters with breasts. Is that porn? There is too much room for speculation. This could easily lead to things being banned that shouldn't be.Do we suddenly we lose Power Puff Girls because one of the villains may happen to have breasts?

[Zweite Alaje]

Not really, seeing as she isn't real.

Clearly. But if you expect us to think that her not being real means that there's no sexual association with her very large, mostled exposed, very prominent breasts then you've set yourself up to be disappointed.

I find it funny how you give fictional characters equal weight with real people,

Oh, I don't. I just accept that how people think about and portray fictional characters is related to how they think about real people.

yet you complain about sexualization in media then advocate for sexualization of real women with the whole "sex positivity" nonsense.

Perhaps the difficulty is that I'm not trying to control how people behave, which seems to be the terms in which you frame everything.

I never said there wasn't anything sexual about my flag. What I did say is it doesn't really matter since she's an anime character, ie, not real.

Only idiots think like that. I don't expect fake characters to be like real people and I don't expect real people to be like fake characters. It isn't hard to make the distinction.

That is perhaps the core of our mutual disagreement, it's been established a while ago that I'm authoritarian and your not. As such we're bound not to agree on much, if at all.

Adults would still be able to watch porn, if anything this is a bit of a compromise. You believe children should be allowed to watch porn, and have easy access to it?

I do. A place where kids grow up around nudity and sex, it becomes more natural. That's why in the US where it's seen as taboo, we have a higher rape and sexual assault rate than the Netherlands. The Dutch are open about it in pretty much every way, and have some of the lowest rape rates on earth.

Yeah, I'm sure our higher rape and assault rates are probably the result of some other factors, not stopping children for watching porn.

[The Blue Wolf Federation]

80% covered up actually. Yes. bored and did a pixel count

How much is covered up is wholly irrelevant when the entirety of the cleavage is on display and there is apparently no support of fixing within the costume to actually hold the breasts in place.

Sorry, I was just bored when I spat that out. Wasn't interested in specifics at the time.

[New haven america]

Whatever is "icky" or "dishonourable" or "not good".

Yeah, and now we come back to the problem of definition. Is porn recognition of the features of the female body? There are some cartoons for children that have the female characters with breasts. Is that porn? There is too much room for speculation. This could easily lead to things being banned that shouldn't be.Do we suddenly we lose Power Puff Girls because one of the villains may happen to have breasts?

Well there human body parts, which most women on the planet have, so why are they "icky"?

[The Blue Wolf Federation]

Adults would still be able to watch porn, if anything this is a bit of a compromise. You believe children should be allowed to watch porn, and have easy access to it?

I do. A place where kids grow up around nudity and sex, it becomes more natural. That's why in the US where it's seen as taboo, we have a higher rape and sexual assault rate than the Netherlands. The Dutch are open about it in pretty much every way, and have some of the lowest rape rates on earth.

Cite your source. I want to know if this is per capita or just cases to cases.

[Munrova]

Clearly. But if you expect us to think that her not being real means that there's no sexual association with her very large, mostled exposed, very prominent breasts then you've set yourself up to be disappointed.

Oh, I don't. I just accept that how people think about and portray fictional characters is related to how they think about real people.

Perhaps the difficulty is that I'm not trying to control how people behave, which seems to be the terms in which you frame everything.

I never said there wasn't anything sexual about my flag. What I did say is it doesn't really matter since she's an anime character, ie, not real.

Only idiots think like that. I don't expect fake characters to be like real people and I don't expect real people to be like fake characters. It isn't hard to make the distinction.

That is perhaps the core of our mutual disagreement, it's been established a while ago that I'm authoritarian and your not. As such we're bound not to agree on much, if at all.

I do. A place where kids grow up around nudity and sex, it becomes more natural. That's why in the US where it's seen as taboo, we have a higher rape and sexual assault rate than the Netherlands. The Dutch are open about it in pretty much every way, and have some of the lowest rape rates on earth.

Yeah, I'm sure our higher rape and assault rates are probably the result of some other factors, not stopping children for watching porn.

So... letting kids see animated porn is okay, but as soon as it turns to real people, it's not?

Also, what may those other factors be, pray tell?

[Zweite Alaje]

See also: degenerate, liberal.

You mean "libtard"

Also: Un-Christian, vile

I'm not Christian, nor am I religious. I've said that millions is times here.

As for what sorts of porn I would see as bannable, all depicting live sexual acts. I have little issue with nude photography, but video sex is vile.

[Divair]

You mean "libtard"

Also: Un-Christian, vile

I'm not Christian, nor am I religious. I've said that millions is times here.

As for what sorts of porn I would see as bannable, all depicting live sexual acts. I have little issue with nude photography, but video sex is vile.

What a horrible world we'd live in if you ruled it.

[The Blue Wolf Federation]

I do. A place where kids grow up around nudity and sex, it becomes more natural. That's why in the US where it's seen as taboo, we have a higher rape and sexual assault rate than the Netherlands. The Dutch are open about it in pretty much every way, and have some of the lowest rape rates on earth.

Cite your source. I want to know if this is per capita or just cases to cases.

If you can't, just give me the per capita or cases to cases. Only curious is all.

[New haven america]

I'm not Christian, nor am I religious. I've said that millions is times here.

As for what sorts of porn I would see as bannable, all depicting live sexual acts. I have little issue with nude photography, but video sex is vile.

What a horrible world we'd live in if you ruled it.

On God.

[Zweite Alaje]

I never said there wasn't anything sexual about my flag. What I did say is it doesn't really matter since she's an anime character, ie, not real.

Only idiots think like that. I don't expect fake characters to be like real people and I don't expect real people to be like fake characters. It isn't hard to make the distinction.

That is perhaps the core of our mutual disagreement, it's been established a while ago that I'm authoritarian and your not. As such we're bound not to agree on much, if at all.



Yeah, I'm sure our higher rape and assault rates are probably the result of some other factors, not stopping children for watching porn.

So... letting kids see animated porn is okay, but as soon as it turns to real people, it's not?

Also, what may those other factors be, pray tell?

No, I don't believe any porn, animated or live should be available to children.

The religious zealots are probably a big part of it, also the excessive individualism here.

[Northern Dominus]

You mean "libtard"

Also: Un-Christian, vile

I'm not Christian, nor am I religious. I've said that millions is times here.

As for what sorts of porn I would see as bannable, all depicting live sexual acts. I have little issue with nude photography, but video sex is vile.

Uh huh, so there go a lot of TV shows and movies. It may be censored but there's lots of sex on TV.

So why is that bann-able but any animated cartoons that display any hint of nude women okay? I mean, kids might get some sort of sexual arousal if they watch Outlaw Star anytime Melfina is on screen.

What about images of feet in any context, or videos? It's not an outright sexual video, but people have foot fetishes and that can cause a sexual response?
What about written erotica? No images outright, but the words can generate rather salacious images in somebodies head, does your ban have providence on that?

More importantly... what makes your authoritarian views and personal squeamishness any more applicable in any? Why do we have to give your moral compass more regard when there are plenty of individuals out here in couples of varying commitment that have lots of safe consenting sex in their own fashions but keep the rest of us out of it? What if erotica enhances their sex lives, why do you want to punish them because the idea of something makes you, personally, squeamish?

[L Ron Cupboard]

I wonder if the porn industry actively lobby British politicians.

[Zweite Alaje]

I'm not Christian, nor am I religious. I've said that millions is times here.

As for what sorts of porn I would see as bannable, all depicting live sexual acts. I have little issue with nude photography, but video sex is vile.

What a horrible world we'd live in if you ruled it.

Says you. It'd be a ideal society, no retarded sex positivity, no prostitution.

[Divair]

Says you. It'd be a ideal society, no retarded sex positivity, no prostitution.

What an authoritarian, tyrannical, boring world.

[New Laikland]

I do. A place where kids grow up around nudity and sex, it becomes more natural. That's why in the US where it's seen as taboo, we have a higher rape and sexual assault rate than the Netherlands. The Dutch are open about it in pretty much every way, and have some of the lowest rape rates on earth.

Cite your source. I want to know if this is per capita or just cases to cases.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes

Don't see why you can't just do a simple google. These stats are a bit old, a quick google will reveal Sweden is on top

[Imperializt Russia]

You mean "libtard"

Also: Un-Christian, vile

I'm not Christian, nor am I religious. I've said that millions is times here.

As for what sorts of porn I would see as bannable, all depicting live sexual acts. I have little issue with nude photography, but video sex is vile.

What about boyfriend and girlfriend, separated by distance and circumstance, "engaging" with each other via skype?

[The Blue Wolf Federation]

You mean "libtard"

Also: Un-Christian, vile

I'm not Christian, nor am I religious. I've said that millions is times here.

As for what sorts of porn I would see as bannable, all depicting live sexual acts. I have little issue with nude photography, but video sex is vile.

All right, as a christian, yes. Pornography is wrong. But as an orthodox christian I also believe that people have free will and the right to make their own decisions. God allows all sorts of things to happen because free will is a gift he would never take away. Innocent people die or are hurt or raped; the list goes on. And the people who are responsible will be brought to justice in their own time. Which is why as a christian I feel nothing should be done to ban porn.

Enough of that preachy nonsense however.

I stand firm that I as an individual think pornography is wrong, regardless of faith. But the church and state of America got one thing right in all of their mistakes. The church shall never rule the actions of the state and the state can do nothing to meddle in the actions of the church so long as the actions fit with federal law.

The same should be applied in the UK. Church and state should have no jurisdiction to meddle in one another's actions. Just because the ethics are christian means nothing in the face of Law.

The law is not meant to be fair or nice or ethical. It is meant to be a pinnacle of Justice. Which is why passing pornography as banned or controlled or what have you is both unconstitutional in America and would not work in the UK. It is not just. Nor could you justify it without quoting ethics from a religion.

[Khadgar]

I'm not Christian, nor am I religious. I've said that millions is times here.

As for what sorts of porn I would see as bannable, all depicting live sexual acts. I have little issue with nude photography, but video sex is vile.

What about boyfriend and girlfriend, separated by distance and circumstance, "engaging" with each other via skype?

Masturbation for the enjoyment of another is porn.

[The Blue Wolf Federation]

I'm not Christian, nor am I religious. I've said that millions is times here.

As for what sorts of porn I would see as bannable, all depicting live sexual acts. I have little issue with nude photography, but video sex is vile.

What about boyfriend and girlfriend, separated by distance and circumstance, "engaging" with each other via skype?

Personally, my girlfriend and I are pretty conservative when it comes to our bodies and the relationship we share. You would honestly do that over Skype? -shudder-

Regardless this is again another example of definitions and fine lines. Legislation would fail miserably in regulating something like this.

[Divair]

What about boyfriend and girlfriend, separated by distance and circumstance, "engaging" with each other via skype?

Masturbation for the enjoyment of another is porn.

Anything beyond missionary position for procreation is to be banned.