UK - porn block plan to stop "childhood corrosion"

[Zweite Alaje]

We're also losing another valuable point. These are people. Not toys or dolls or cartoons. Real people. They present themselves as objects that respect cannot be given to in this society.

Thats because of people like you, not porn in and of itself.

Many of us are perfectly capable of seeing these people as respectable members of society. Do not pretend like your weird little hang ups are absolutes in any way.

The idea that this glorifies women in some way is a new concept to me and I don't see it. I like girls not for how they look but for who they are. Particularly that they think on a complete different level than us guys. The female body is attractive, but if that's the only thing girls think guys should be after, then I don't know what to say.

Cool story, bro.

Porn actors can't be respectable they're prostitutes.

WTF, now rape is sex positive?!?! Wow.

Your inability to understand is not cute, you know that right?


You...you do know that in anything but snuff films its "rape play," and not actual rape, right?

As if I care about being "cute". They're isnt anything to misunderstand.

It doesn't matter, it's real people commiting an act of glorifying rape, it should be banned.

[Choronzon]

Porn actors can't be respectable they're prostitutes.

Who says prostitutes can't be respectable?

Well, I mean I know you do, but I'm going to need something more than that.

It doesn't matter, it's real people commiting an act of glorifying rape

Nope.

it should be banned.

Nope.

[The Blue Wolf Federation]

If anything this is damaging the goal of the plan because now parents who aren't tech-savvy will fall into a false sense of security because they think the ISP is some kind of god who can prevent their kids from viewing porn.


Should've been an opt-in plan with parents being advised to get their own parental controls if they want to.

There we go. Logic right there. However, I think that this should be a mandatory thing provided by internet providers rather than the government. Regardless, excellent point!

[Divair]

If anything this is damaging the goal of the plan because now parents who aren't tech-savvy will fall into a false sense of security because they think the ISP is some kind of god who can prevent their kids from viewing porn.


Should've been an opt-in plan with parents being advised to get their own parental controls if they want to.

There we go. Logic right there. However, I think that this should be a mandatory thing provided by internet providers rather than the government. Regardless, excellent point!

It is provided by ISPs and mandated by the government currently. The only problem is that it's opt-out, not opt-in.

[Lemanrussland]

If anything this is damaging the goal of the plan because now parents who aren't tech-savvy will fall into a false sense of security because they think the ISP is some kind of god who can prevent their kids from viewing porn.


Should've been an opt-in plan with parents being advised to get their own parental controls if they want to.

There we go. Logic right there. However, I think that this should be a mandatory thing provided by internet providers rather than the government. Regardless, excellent point!

Why mandatory? Why is it so hard for people to point their router to OpenDNS? They have a completely free porn filter.

[The Blue Wolf Federation]

There we go. Logic right there. However, I think that this should be a mandatory thing provided by internet providers rather than the government. Regardless, excellent point!

Why mandatory? Why is it so hard for people to point their router to OpenDNS? They have a completely free porn filter.

Sorry. The reason I said mandatory was for the not at all tech-savvy parents much like my own back home who don't understand how they can control their children's internet use. That's all. I'm open to the idea being trashed anyway. It was beyond poorly developed. Spur of the moment brainstorming doesn't delve too deeply for me.

[Ifreann]

Because sexualizing women is ok, but if the woman enjoys it we have a problem.

No, I don't care for porn, for men or for women.

I'm sure the massive tits on your flag are there because the illustrate the ideology of your nation.

[The Blue Wolf Federation]

No, I don't care for porn, for men or for women.

I'm sure the massive tits on your flag are there because the illustrate the ideology of your nation.

She's covered up from what I can tell. You need to get that X-ray vision checked out

[Ayreonia]

No, I don't care for porn, for men or for women.

I'm sure the massive tits on your flag are there because the illustrate the ideology of your nation.

I'm more concerned about her spine. Poor girl.

[Zweite Alaje]

No, I don't care for porn, for men or for women.

I'm sure the massive tits on your flag are there because the illustrate the ideology of your nation.

I don't RP with this account, I put whatever I feel like up as my flag. Usually my favorite anime or videogame characters. I mean, unless you equate looking at women as porn, you're not really saying anything.

Look, I'm not asexual. I simply find porn repulsive for the most part, it is a form of prostitution.

[Sailsia]

If children didn't have eyes, they'd never be assaulted by the evils of sexually stimulating images. Ban all eyes!

[Ifreann]

I'm sure the massive tits on your flag are there because the illustrate the ideology of your nation.

I don't RP with this account, I put whatever I feel like up as my flag. Usually my favorite anime or videogame characters. I mean, unless you equate looking at women as porn, you're not really saying anything.

I'm saying it's deliciously hypocritical to bemoan people looking at porn when every time you post you're looking at a woman's mostly naked breasts.

Look, I'm not asexual. I simply find porn repulsive for the most part, it is a form of prostitution.

Yes, yes, porn is terrible but pictures created solely for sexual gratification are fine. Somehow.

[Zweite Alaje]

If children didn't have eyes, they'd never be assaulted by the evils of sexually stimulating images. Ban all eyes!

Adults would still be able to watch porn, if anything this is a bit of a compromise. You believe children should be allowed to watch porn, and have easy access to it?

[Zweite Alaje]

I don't RP with this account, I put whatever I feel like up as my flag. Usually my favorite anime or videogame characters. I mean, unless you equate looking at women as porn, you're not really saying anything.

I'm saying it's deliciously hypocritical to bemoan people looking at porn when every time you post you're looking at a woman's mostly naked breasts.

Look, I'm not asexual. I simply find porn repulsive for the most part, it is a form of prostitution.

Yes, yes, porn is terrible but pictures created solely for sexual gratification are fine. Somehow.

Not really, seeing as she isn't real. I find it funny how you give fictional characters equal weight with real people, yet you complain about sexualization in media then advocate for sexualization of real women with the whole "sex positivity" nonsense.

[Northern Dominus]

I'm saying it's deliciously hypocritical to bemoan people looking at porn when every time you post you're looking at a woman's mostly naked breasts.


Yes, yes, porn is terrible but pictures created solely for sexual gratification are fine. Somehow.

Not really, seeing as she isn't real. I find it funny how you give fictional characters equal weight with real people, yet you complain about sexualization in media then advocate for sexualization of real women with the whole "sex positivity" nonsense.

Except anime frequently depicts acts of rape, incest, and violent sexuality in the context of humanlinke animations.

So why does that get providence as "artistic liscense", while filmed sexual relations between two consenting adults gets damned as "smut" or "bad" in your view? Bear in mind, nobody is advocating that everyone must watch it or that there is some sort of participatory requirement tangeally related to it, why should your anime be available in all its depravity but recordings of human sexual contact be prohibited in terms of availability alone?

[Munrova]

If children didn't have eyes, they'd never be assaulted by the evils of sexually stimulating images. Ban all eyes!

Adults woild still be able to watch porn, if anything this is a bit of a compromise. You believe children should be allowed to watch porn, and have easy access to it?

Your showing a whole lot of children a face full of cleavage in that picture.

In any case, I'd like to see hard evidence that this is a major problem. How many children are seeing it and how does it affect them? This law seems like overkill. It doesn't just block it in households with children, it blocks all households, even ones with only grown adults in them.

[Zweite Alaje]

Not really, seeing as she isn't real. I find it funny how you give fictional characters equal weight with real people, yet you complain about sexualization in media then advocate for sexualization of real women with the whole "sex positivity" nonsense.

Except anime frequently depicts acts of rape, incest, and violent sexuality in the context of humanlinke animations.

So why does that get providence as "artistic liscense", while filmed sexual relations between two consenting adults gets damned as "smut" or "bad" in your view? Bear in mind, nobody is advocating that everyone must watch it or that there is some sort of participatory requirement tangeally related to it, why should your anime be available in all its depravity but recordings of human sexual contact be prohibited in terms of availability alone?

Yeah, no. There is a difference between anime in general and its pornographic subgenre Hentai. I don't approve of most of that either, much if it is terribly perverse. Ideally, both live porn and the majority of hentai (tentacle rape etc) would be banned. However, overall I'd rather for fake porn to be legal than real porn since at least with hentai actual people aren't whoring their bodies out for cash.

[Ifreann]

I'm saying it's deliciously hypocritical to bemoan people looking at porn when every time you post you're looking at a woman's mostly naked breasts.


Yes, yes, porn is terrible but pictures created solely for sexual gratification are fine. Somehow.

Not really, seeing as she isn't real.

Clearly. But if you expect us to think that her not being real means that there's no sexual association with her very large, mostled exposed, very prominent breasts then you've set yourself up to be disappointed.

I find it funny how you give fictional characters equal weight with real people,

Oh, I don't. I just accept that how people think about and portray fictional characters is related to how they think about real people.

yet you complain about sexualization in media then advocate for sexualization of real women with the whole "sex positivity" nonsense.

Perhaps the difficulty is that I'm not trying to control how people behave, which seems to be the terms in which you frame everything.

[Northern Dominus]

Except anime frequently depicts acts of rape, incest, and violent sexuality in the context of humanlinke animations.

So why does that get providence as "artistic liscense", while filmed sexual relations between two consenting adults gets damned as "smut" or "bad" in your view? Bear in mind, nobody is advocating that everyone must watch it or that there is some sort of participatory requirement tangeally related to it, why should your anime be available in all its depravity but recordings of human sexual contact be prohibited in terms of availability alone?

Yeah, no. There is a difference between anime in general and its pornographic subgenre Hentai. I don't approve of most of that either, much if it is terribly perverse. Ideally, both live porn and the majority of hentai (tentacle rape etc) would be banned. However, overall I'd rather for fake porn to be legal than real porn since at least with hentai actual people aren't whoring their bodies out for cash.

First of all, see what I did there? I made a big general statement and applied it to a broad genre indiscriminately. I stereotyped.... look familiar.

Okay then, I'll bite. What is pornography? What is the broad-based definition that should be the legal benchmark? Define that line in the sand for us.

[New Laikland]

If children didn't have eyes, they'd never be assaulted by the evils of sexually stimulating images. Ban all eyes!

Adults would still be able to watch porn, if anything this is a bit of a compromise. You believe children should be allowed to watch porn, and have easy access to it?

I do. A place where kids grow up around nudity and sex, it becomes more natural. That's why in the US where it's seen as taboo, we have a higher rape and sexual assault rate than the Netherlands. The Dutch are open about it in pretty much every way, and have some of the lowest rape rates on earth.

[Divair]

Yeah, no. There is a difference between anime in general and its pornographic subgenre Hentai. I don't approve of most of that either, much if it is terribly perverse. Ideally, both live porn and the majority of hentai (tentacle rape etc) would be banned. However, overall I'd rather for fake porn to be legal than real porn since at least with hentai actual people aren't whoring their bodies out for cash.

First of all, see what I did there? I made a big general statement and applied it to a broad genre indiscriminately. I stereotyped.... look familiar.

Okay then, I'll bite. What is pornography? What is the broad-based definition that should be the legal benchmark? Define that line in the sand for us.

Whatever is "icky" or "dishonourable" or "not good".

[The Blue Wolf Federation]

I'm saying it's deliciously hypocritical to bemoan people looking at porn when every time you post you're looking at a woman's mostly naked breasts.

80% covered up actually. Yes. bored and did a pixel count

[Munrova]

I'm saying it's deliciously hypocritical to bemoan people looking at porn when every time you post you're looking at a woman's mostly naked breasts.


Yes, yes, porn is terrible but pictures created solely for sexual gratification are fine. Somehow.

Not really, seeing as she isn't real. I find it funny how you give fictional characters equal weight with real people, yet you complain about sexualization in media then advocate for sexualization of real women with the whole "sex positivity" nonsense.

The sexualization of fictional characters still objectifies women. Some people will be influenced by that depiction of women as sexual objects, whether or not the woman in question is real. Either way, it's going to happen and as long as everything is consensual and no one is hurt, why bother banning anything?

[Ifreann]

First of all, see what I did there? I made a big general statement and applied it to a broad genre indiscriminately. I stereotyped.... look familiar.

Okay then, I'll bite. What is pornography? What is the broad-based definition that should be the legal benchmark? Define that line in the sand for us.

Whatever is "icky" or "dishonourable" or "not good".

See also: degenerate, liberal.

[New Laikland]

The sexualization of fictional characters still objectifies women. Some people will be influenced by that depiction of women as sexual objects, whether or not the woman in question is real. Either way, it's going to happen and as long as everything is consensual and no one is hurt, why bother banning anything?

What exactly is the difference between objectifying and admiring?