UK - porn block plan to stop "childhood corrosion"

[The Land of Truth]

I dunno.
I can report firsthand that porn addiction is not conducive to your studies.
Unless you're doing a degree on porn addiction.

Pft. If we're going to ban things that have a negative impact on one's studies, why not ban abusive relationships, working part-time jobs more than 10 hours/week and message boards?

Don't give them any ideas.

[Khadgar]

Pft. If we're going to ban things that have a negative impact on one's studies, why not ban abusive relationships, working part-time jobs more than 10 hours/week and message boards?

Don't give them any ideas.

The Nanny State, it's okay if it's couched in moralizing apparently.

[Zweite Alaje]

Those are supposed to be tits? I mean, I know I have limited experience, but tits don't look like that. Well, I suppose the overdone silicone enhanced ones sometimes can but it's really unappealing.

I'm not going to claim that they're drawn very well or that they actually appear to be attached to her torso in a way that makes sense (they don't). The artist who drew that was clearly not very good and definitely seemed to care more about saying "TITS! OVER HERE!" than they did about drawing a woman in a way that makes sense (because women are clearly just a collection of body parts that exist for men to oggle).

Granted, probably more disturbing is that she appears to be composed of two different people: one standing up and the other laying down.

I'm familiar with that stupid blog.

I think it hilarious how you and your friends here like to say anime and videogames are so sexist and unrealistic, yet you endorse the proliferation of porn and other forms of prostitution that are more sexist and unrealistic with real people acting out the roles. Fake characters don't matter, real people do.

[The Land of Truth]

I'm not going to claim that they're drawn very well or that they actually appear to be attached to her torso in a way that makes sense (they don't). The artist who drew that was clearly not very good and definitely seemed to care more about saying "TITS! OVER HERE!" than they did about drawing a woman in a way that makes sense (because women are clearly just a collection of body parts that exist for men to oggle).

Granted, probably more disturbing is that she appears to be composed of two different people: one standing up and the other laying down.

I'm familiar with that stupid blog.

I think it hilarious how you and your friends here like to say anime and videogames are so sexist and unrealistic, yet you endorse the proliferation of porn and other forms of prostitution that are more sexist and unrealistic with real people acting out the roles. Fake characters don't matter, real people do.

1) How are they sexist? I can maybe understand "unrealistic", but sexist?
2) Exactly, they are real people, so they can decide what to do with their bodies better than you (or anyone else).

[Imperializt Russia]

I dunno.
I can report firsthand that porn addiction is not conducive to your studies.
Unless you're doing a degree on porn addiction.

Pft. If we're going to ban things that have a negative impact on one's studies, why not ban abusive relationships, working part-time jobs more than 10 hours/week and message boards?

I take it then that everyone missed the sarcasm?

Or am I missing theirs?

[Ifreann]

I'm not going to claim that they're drawn very well or that they actually appear to be attached to her torso in a way that makes sense (they don't). The artist who drew that was clearly not very good and definitely seemed to care more about saying "TITS! OVER HERE!" than they did about drawing a woman in a way that makes sense (because women are clearly just a collection of body parts that exist for men to oggle).

Granted, probably more disturbing is that she appears to be composed of two different people: one standing up and the other laying down.

I'm familiar with that stupid blog.

I think it hilarious how you and your friends here like to say anime and videogames are so sexist and unrealistic, yet you endorse the proliferation of porn and other forms of prostitution that are more sexist and unrealistic with real people acting out the roles. Fake characters don't matter, real people do.

And I think I can speak without fear of contradiction when I say that we think it's hilarious that you have a proverbial Sahara worth of sand in your vagina over the over-sexualisation of society and people thinking about sex too much and other shit like that all while sporting what may as well be a giant pair of disembodied tits on your flag.

[The Blue Wolf Federation]

>people object to sexist objectification
>complains

>censorship
>applauds

Yes?

I agree with the censorship of pornography...especially for the youth.

On some level censorship would be nice. But this wont be solved via legislation. I still think it's in the hands of the parents. The prime min has got a lot of sympathy from me, but if I were to give the final vote to pass the legislation, I wouldn't. Legislating wont do anything considering pornography is too abstract in definition.

It's like when America put a ban on drugs. Across the nation, people are still smoking weed. The Government is not a force designed for meddling in private actions. The same can be said for the UK. Putting a ban on porn is too abstract and there is too great a room for speculation.

[Dakini]

I'm not going to claim that they're drawn very well or that they actually appear to be attached to her torso in a way that makes sense (they don't). The artist who drew that was clearly not very good and definitely seemed to care more about saying "TITS! OVER HERE!" than they did about drawing a woman in a way that makes sense (because women are clearly just a collection of body parts that exist for men to oggle).

Granted, probably more disturbing is that she appears to be composed of two different people: one standing up and the other laying down.

I'm familiar with that stupid blog.

What stupid blog? You're referring to another post that you're not quoting perhaps where I link Escher Girls. Here I'm just describing how bad the artist who drew your flag is at drawing women. (I mean really, her shoulders and her breasts are aligned differently. Bodies don't work that way)

I think it hilarious how you and your friends here like to say anime and videogames are so sexist and unrealistic, yet you endorse the proliferation of porn and other forms of prostitution that are more sexist and unrealistic with real people acting out the roles. Fake characters don't matter, real people do.

I don't endorse porn. I don't actually like a lot of it (surprisingly, I'm not the target audience). That doesn't mean I think that someone should be prevented from making a living on it or enjoying it. As long as people aren't being exploited in the making of it, it's fine.

You just don't seem to like when actual women are in control of their sexuality and active participants. Instead, you prefer that men draw them however men want them to be and declare that this is how it should be and nobody else should ever think of having sex with a real live person.

[Dakini]

I'm familiar with that stupid blog.

I think it hilarious how you and your friends here like to say anime and videogames are so sexist and unrealistic, yet you endorse the proliferation of porn and other forms of prostitution that are more sexist and unrealistic with real people acting out the roles. Fake characters don't matter, real people do.

And I think I can speak without fear of contradiction when I say that we think it's hilarious that you have a proverbial Sahara worth of sand in your vagina scrotum over the over-sexualisation of society and people thinking about sex too much and other shit like that all while sporting what may as well be a giant pair of disembodied tits on your flag.

Vaginas aren't the only place to get sand.

[Ifreann]

And I think I can speak without fear of contradiction when I say that we think it's hilarious that you have a proverbial Sahara worth of sand in your vagina scrotum over the over-sexualisation of society and people thinking about sex too much and other shit like that all while sporting what may as well be a giant pair of disembodied tits on your flag.

Vaginas aren't the only place to get sand.

And butts aren't the only things that get hurt, knickers are the only things that get twisted, and bees are far more often found in hives than bonnets.

[Choronzon]

I'm familiar with that stupid blog.

I think it hilarious how you and your friends here like to say anime and videogames are so sexist and unrealistic, yet you endorse the proliferation of porn and other forms of prostitution that are more sexist and unrealistic with real people acting out the roles. Fake characters don't matter, real people do.

And I think I can speak without fear of contradiction when I say that we think it's hilarious that you have a proverbial Sahara worth of sand in your vagina over the over-sexualisation of society and people thinking about sex too much and other shit like that all while sporting what may as well be a giant pair of disembodied tits on your flag.

Because sexualizing women is ok, but if the woman enjoys it we have a problem.

[Zweite Alaje]

I'm familiar with that stupid blog.

I think it hilarious how you and your friends here like to say anime and videogames are so sexist and unrealistic, yet you endorse the proliferation of porn and other forms of prostitution that are more sexist and unrealistic with real people acting out the roles. Fake characters don't matter, real people do.

1) How are they sexist? I can maybe understand "unrealistic", but sexist?
2) Exactly, they are real people, so they can decide what to do with their bodies better than you (or anyone else).

You don't get how porn is sexist? They commit do fucking rape scenes!!! That isn't sexist to you?

[Choronzon]

1) How are they sexist? I can maybe understand "unrealistic", but sexist?
2) Exactly, they are real people, so they can decide what to do with their bodies better than you (or anyone else).

You don't get how porn is sexist? They commit do fucking rape scenes!!! That isn't sexist to you?

"Hello, my name is Alaje. I am totally incapable of understanding the distinction between sexism and sex positive."

[Imperializt Russia]

And I think I can speak without fear of contradiction when I say that we think it's hilarious that you have a proverbial Sahara worth of sand in your vagina scrotum over the over-sexualisation of society and people thinking about sex too much and other shit like that all while sporting what may as well be a giant pair of disembodied tits on your flag.

Vaginas aren't the only place to get sand.

I can't say I've ever heard of someone complaining of getting sand in their scrote.
If it can get in there, that's signifying a much more pressing issue.

[Zweite Alaje]

And I think I can speak without fear of contradiction when I say that we think it's hilarious that you have a proverbial Sahara worth of sand in your vagina over the over-sexualisation of society and people thinking about sex too much and other shit like that all while sporting what may as well be a giant pair of disembodied tits on your flag.

Because sexualizing women is ok, but if the woman enjoys it we have a problem.

No, I don't care for porn, for men or for women.

[The Blue Wolf Federation]

You just don't seem to like when actual women are in control of their sexuality and active participants. Instead, you prefer that men draw them however men want them to be and declare that this is how it should be and nobody else should ever think of having sex with a real live person.

Pornography is not being in control. Besides, we're losing the point. This is legislation that bans children from viewing porn.

We're also losing another valuable point. These are people. Not toys or dolls or cartoons. Real people. They present themselves as objects that respect cannot be given to in this society.

The idea that this glorifies women in some way is a new concept to me and I don't see it. I like girls not for how they look but for who they are. Particularly that they think on a complete different level than us guys. The female body is attractive, but if that's the only thing girls think guys should be after, then I don't know what to say.

[Choronzon]

Because sexualizing women is ok, but if the woman enjoys it we have a problem.

No, I don't care for porn, for men or for women.

Thats nice, but it has jack to do with what I said.

[Zweite Alaje]

You don't get how porn is sexist? They commit do fucking rape scenes!!! That isn't sexist to you?

"Hello, my name is Alaje. I am totally incapable of understanding the distinction between sexism and sex positive."

WTF, now rape is sex positive?!?! Wow.

[Imperializt Russia]

It doesn't ban children from viewing porn.
Children have always been banned from viewing porn.

This bans households from viewing porn, except at request to their ISP, and neither case will prevent any mildly tech-savvy under-eighteen (in 2006, 12-17yos were apparently the largest demographic for online porn in the US) from viewing it.

[Choronzon]

We're also losing another valuable point. These are people. Not toys or dolls or cartoons. Real people. They present themselves as objects that respect cannot be given to in this society.

Thats because of people like you, not porn in and of itself.

Many of us are perfectly capable of seeing these people as respectable members of society. Do not pretend like your weird little hang ups are absolutes in any way.

The idea that this glorifies women in some way is a new concept to me and I don't see it. I like girls not for how they look but for who they are. Particularly that they think on a complete different level than us guys. The female body is attractive, but if that's the only thing girls think guys should be after, then I don't know what to say.

Cool story, bro.

[Choronzon]

"Hello, my name is Alaje. I am totally incapable of understanding the distinction between sexism and sex positive."

WTF, now rape is sex positive?!?! Wow.

Your inability to understand is not cute, you know that right?


You...you do know that in anything but snuff films its "rape play," and not actual rape, right?

[Divair]

It doesn't ban children from viewing porn.
Children have always been banned from viewing porn.

This bans households from viewing porn, except at request to their ISP, and neither case will prevent any mildly tech-savvy under-eighteen (in 2006, 12-17yos were apparently the largest demographic for online porn in the US) from viewing it.

If anything this is damaging the goal of the plan because now parents who aren't tech-savvy will fall into a false sense of security because they think the ISP is some kind of god who can prevent their kids from viewing porn.


Should've been an opt-in plan with parents being advised to get their own parental controls if they want to.

[Imperializt Russia]

It doesn't ban children from viewing porn.
Children have always been banned from viewing porn.

This bans households from viewing porn, except at request to their ISP, and neither case will prevent any mildly tech-savvy under-eighteen (in 2006, 12-17yos were apparently the largest demographic for online porn in the US) from viewing it.

If anything this is damaging the goal of the plan because now parents who aren't tech-savvy will fall into a false sense of security because they think the ISP is some kind of god who can prevent their kids from viewing porn.


Should've been an opt-in plan with parents being advised to get their own parental controls if they want to.

Completely agreed.

[The Blue Wolf Federation]

It doesn't ban children from viewing porn.
Children have always been banned from viewing porn.

This bans households from viewing porn, except at request to their ISP, and neither case will prevent any mildly tech-savvy under-eighteen (in 2006, 12-17yos were apparently the largest demographic for online porn in the US) from viewing it.

Didn't know that. Thanks for the correction.

[Lemanrussland]

If anything this is damaging the goal of the plan because now parents who aren't tech-savvy will fall into a false sense of security because they think the ISP is some kind of god who can prevent their kids from viewing porn.


Should've been an opt-in plan with parents being advised to get their own parental controls if they want to.

Completely agreed.

The government should have never gotten involved to begin with. If you want to block porn, use something like OpenDNS, instead of mandating it be blocked across the entire UK, opt in or opt out.