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Postby Ayreonia » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:16 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Ayreonia wrote:Classic Alaje. You don't back up your claims and straight up ignore people who back theirs.

I think it's spelled "promiscuity".

I didn't ignore his post....what are you taking about?

You're ignoring mine, among others.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:18 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:I don't have issue with a level of sexualization (I'm not asexual like some here think I am), I don't like excessive emphasis on sex, however. Nor do I approve of promiscuousity.

What is "perverse" about sex negativity?

That flag is pretty fucking sexualized.

It's a biological function. Being sex-negative is comparable to being anal retentive or putting someone down if they take too many shits.

And? It's a fucking anime character, who gives a shit?

Also, no, that's not what sex negativity is.


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Postby Hyfling » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:20 pm

I think this is fine, instead of a government internet filter (which I disagree with) it's more along the lines of a channel blocker for TV. This is good because it should be up to each household what they feel is right to view on the internet. As long as it isn't mandatory.

P.S. While we are blocking those dreaded wartune ads can we block those obnoxious imvu ads as well?
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Postby Dilange » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:21 pm

Well Im placing the UK on my "places to avoid" list.

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Postby Cadaver breadsticks » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:27 pm

Hyfling wrote:I think this is fine, instead of a government internet filter (which I disagree with) it's more along the lines of a channel blocker for TV. This is good because it should be up to each household what they feel is right to view on the internet. As long as it isn't mandatory.

P.S. While we are blocking those dreaded wartune ads can we block those obnoxious imvu ads as well?

It is mandatory, unless the user explicitly tells their ISP they want to opt out of the block.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:58 am

Dakini wrote:
Technopolis wrote:Quick, cover yourself up with this explicit cartoon! Can't have your legs on show.

Omg! More than 50% of my skin is showing! What with my arms uncovered, my legs mostly so and my face and neck totally bare!

"I can't take you to church like this! You look like a two-dollar whore! And bear in mind that the dollar is weak right now!"
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Dakini wrote:Heh. It's almost like he doesn't know that women get checked out for wearing jeans and a t-shirt.

Hell, the one job I had where I was sexually harassed, the guy who harassed me did so while I was wearing a baggy t-shirt, baggy jeans, steel-toed boots and safety glasses (go factory jobs).

Personally, I find sweatpants or tight leggings to be more attractive than miniskirts (don't know why)

Tight leggings, not sure, but baggy sweats?

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Blakk Metal wrote:Finally Brits will know how bad pedophiles feel when they can't kiddie pr0n with hot kids.

Ironically, we're all going to be reduced to the level of internet kiddie fiddlers by having to use Tor, VPN and proxies to get our porn fix.
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The Parkus Empire wrote:It was sexist and stupid. I don't need to be a woman to find it fucking annoying any more than I have to be black to find racist jokes annoying.

Translation: "People shouldn't be aloud to exercise free speech, because it's harmful." Even though it's fucking not.

Sexism is incredibly harmful, sir.

From the post this seems to have originated from, I can sort of see where Parkus is coming from, but personally mostly not.
As a sort of clarification there's "banter", which I'm all for, which rape apologism and jokes do not and shall never be a legitimate part of.
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New haven america wrote:Cause you've never had it(Like me), since you've never experienced it you shouldn't judge people about why, when, or how they have sex.

That's ridiculous. It's like saying, " because I haven't smoked cocaine, I shouldn't have a say if, when, or how you can smoke cocaine".

I'd say that was a fair point.
You are neither the law nor the medical establishment so why should I listen to you on your opinion?

Feel free to tell me how bad for my health it is, since that's publicly available information.
Not that I'll actually care.
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The Parkus Empire wrote:That flag is pretty fucking sexualized.

It's a biological function. Being sex-negative is comparable to being anal retentive or putting someone down if they take too many shits.

And? It's a fucking anime character, who gives a shit?

You don't differentiate.

It either is or isn't.
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Postby Cameroi » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:53 am

blocking porn does not stop childhood corrosion. blocking war movies and professional team sports stop childhood corrosion.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:54 am

Cameroi wrote:blocking porn does not stop childhood corrosion. blocking war movies and professional team sports stop childhood corrosion.

No it doesn't.
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Postby Democratic Koyro » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:00 am

Cameroi wrote:blocking porn does not stop childhood corrosion. blocking war movies and professional team sports stop childhood corrosion.


Nothing wrong with war movies and team sports. Don't see what harm they do to children.
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:01 am

Cameroi wrote:blocking porn does not stop childhood corrosion. blocking war movies and professional team sports stop childhood corrosion.


No, not exposing children to sulphuric acid stops childhood corrosion.
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Postby The Caldari Union » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:03 am

Democratic Koyro wrote:
Cameroi wrote:blocking porn does not stop childhood corrosion. blocking war movies and professional team sports stop childhood corrosion.


Nothing wrong with war movies and team sports. Don't see what harm they do to children.


If they see war movies they draw violent pictures and become violent people like murderers.

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Postby Northern Dominus » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:05 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:But your flag is a sexualized image, mofo. Also: that attitude is incredibly perverse.

I don't have issue with a level of sexualization (I'm not asexual like some here think I am), I don't like excessive emphasis on sex, however. Nor do I approve of promiscuousity.

What is "perverse" about sex negativity?
Inherently? Nothing.

However forcing it upon everyone else in a rather invasive and frankly violent fashion, that's given a few exchanges of words it could easily mistaken for rape.

So quit raping us with your proclivities, or lack therof, deal?
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Postby Saint Jade IV » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:05 am

Democratic Koyro wrote:
Cameroi wrote:blocking porn does not stop childhood corrosion. blocking war movies and professional team sports stop childhood corrosion.


Nothing wrong with war movies and team sports. Don't see what harm they do to children.


Team sports can cause children to develop a bad in-group mentality. The pressure that some parents put on children to do well is also bad. Furthermore, some sports can cause some fairly significant and long-term physical injuries.

War movies can lead to a belief that violence solves things, as well as glorifying war. It can also lead to jingoism.
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Postby Democratic Koyro » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:12 am

The Caldari Union wrote:
Democratic Koyro wrote:
Nothing wrong with war movies and team sports. Don't see what harm they do to children.


If they see war movies they draw violent pictures and become violent people like murderers.


Yeah yeah. When i was a kid i used to draw violent pictures of soldiers fighting and have pretend shoot outs in the streets with my friends. So did pretty much everybody else. Or we played football. Didn't make me, or any of them a violent person. Back then nobody gave a shit. These days i'd probably be sent to a psychologist or some crap for being a "troubled child".
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Postby Northern Dominus » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:13 am

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Democratic Koyro wrote:
Nothing wrong with war movies and team sports. Don't see what harm they do to children.


Team sports can cause children to develop a bad in-group mentality. The pressure that some parents put on children to do well is also bad. Furthermore, some sports can cause some fairly significant and long-term physical injuries.

War movies can lead to a belief that violence solves things, as well as glorifying war. It can also lead to jingoism.
Again, just like sex however, all of that has to have an addendum "without context" attached to it.

A good coach, a really good coach, will always emphasize good sportsmanship and personal and group achievement vs any sort of tribal aggression in sports, period. That's what team sports are supposed to do, to challenge young people and get them to rise above by pushing their own limits. And yes, war movies on their own are bad, but under a certain point kids shouldn't be watching them anyway so that's bad parenting once again. Above that age it's up to a responsible adult to put the violence in context and the implications.
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Postby Morrdh » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:17 am

Couple of things I find ironic about the block.

1. Its suppose to 'protect' children, yet the government wants to teach children computer programming skills from age 5.

2. It was the Daily Fail who campaigned for the block, which is ironic since they often have smut both in their newspaper and on their website.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:21 am

Morrdh wrote:Couple of things I find ironic about the block.

1. Its suppose to 'protect' children, yet the government wants to teach children computer programming skills from age 5.

2. It was the Daily Fail who campaigned for the block, which is ironic since they often have smut both in their newspaper and on their website.
Isn't this the same Daily Mail that uses salacious sex scandals to sell their rags whenever possible?
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Postby Morrdh » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:23 am

Northern Dominus wrote:
Morrdh wrote:Couple of things I find ironic about the block.

1. Its suppose to 'protect' children, yet the government wants to teach children computer programming skills from age 5.

2. It was the Daily Fail who campaigned for the block, which is ironic since they often have smut both in their newspaper and on their website.
Isn't this the same Daily Mail that uses salacious sex scandals to sell their rags whenever possible?


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Postby Cameroi » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:23 am

Democratic Koyro wrote:
Cameroi wrote:blocking porn does not stop childhood corrosion. blocking war movies and professional team sports stop childhood corrosion.


Nothing wrong with war movies and team sports. Don't see what harm they do to children.


my actual point, is that if there is anything that harms children, it is robbing them exposure to a diversity at least equal to that of reality, which may be unlimited.

as for not seeing how war movies and sports harm children, the world is full of backward headed people who were harmed as children, not so much bey seeing war movies and sports, but by having been prevent, as children, from seeing anything else.

sex is the current fashion, by the accedent of which beliefs have come to be dominant, to be labled as "porn". war movies and sports, could just as easily have received the same label, were different beliefs to have become dominant.

killing, and even aggressive competition, are certainly no less "pornographic", then any act specifically of sex itself.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:24 am

Morrdh wrote:Couple of things I find ironic about the block.

1. Its suppose to 'protect' children, yet the government wants to teach children computer programming skills from age 5.

2. It was the Daily Fail who campaigned for the block, which is ironic since they often have smut both in their newspaper and on their website.

Cameron also cut the budget of the department responsible for actually keeping kids safe on the internet by about 10%
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Postby Saint Jade IV » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:25 am

Northern Dominus wrote:
Saint Jade IV wrote:
Team sports can cause children to develop a bad in-group mentality. The pressure that some parents put on children to do well is also bad. Furthermore, some sports can cause some fairly significant and long-term physical injuries.

War movies can lead to a belief that violence solves things, as well as glorifying war. It can also lead to jingoism.
Again, just like sex however, all of that has to have an addendum "without context" attached to it.

A good coach, a really good coach, will always emphasize good sportsmanship and personal and group achievement vs any sort of tribal aggression in sports, period. That's what team sports are supposed to do, to challenge young people and get them to rise above by pushing their own limits.


Team sports are supposed to be about a group of people beating another group of people. That's their express reason for existence.

Northern Dominus wrote:And yes, war movies on their own are bad, but under a certain point kids shouldn't be watching them anyway so that's bad parenting once again. Above that age it's up to a responsible adult to put the violence in context and the implications.


I don't disagree that war movies need to be contextualised. I don't presume to suggest parents who don't are somehow incompetent though.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:34 am

Morrdh wrote:
Northern Dominus wrote:Isn't this the same Daily Mail that uses salacious sex scandals to sell their rags whenever possible?


Yes, it is.
I'd love to say I'm shocked and outraged. I really am. However given that The Daily Mail is the UK equivalent of Newsmax here in the US...

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Northern Dominus wrote:Again, just like sex however, all of that has to have an addendum "without context" attached to it.

A good coach, a really good coach, will always emphasize good sportsmanship and personal and group achievement vs any sort of tribal aggression in sports, period. That's what team sports are supposed to do, to challenge young people and get them to rise above by pushing their own limits.


(1) Team sports are supposed to be about a group of people beating another group of people. That's their express reason for existence.

Northern Dominus wrote:And yes, war movies on their own are bad, but under a certain point kids shouldn't be watching them anyway so that's bad parenting once again. Above that age it's up to a responsible adult to put the violence in context and the implications.


(2) I don't disagree that war movies need to be contextualised. I don't presume to suggest parents who don't are somehow incompetent though.

(1)Except it isn't. Again it's not just about the score, or at least it shouldn't be. It's about building team camradere, learning where you fit in when a group focused on a particular goal, and it teaches kids how to face adversity and rise above challenges.

Even when a team is defeated, that's a lesson in and of itself; when you try your hardest and come up short, how do you respond? This is where the best coaches are made, because if they're any good at what they'll do they will emphasize that the kids did their best and just came up short, and there is absolutely no shame in it whatsoever.
We're too used to the "winning at all costs" coach and oversaturated with tales of team nightmares that the good ones go largely unreported or waved off because they're not sensationalized

(2) Except that if a parent fails to prevent their kid from viewing such material in a consistent fashion rather than once in a great while, they are indeed a failure as a parent and probably shouldn't be breeding in the first place. Your whole job, your ENTIRE job as a parent is to make sure that your offspring grow and develop in a way that makes them competent and able to understand the nature of theatrical violence and in what context it's being performed. If you fail to do that and little Johnny or Jill goes out and shoves their hands down somebody elses' pants because they saw the same thing on Skinemax over and over without so much as a peep from a parent, then you as a parent should be punished, not the rest of us.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:36 am

Winning is the point of sports.
This is why they now have boards of directors behind teams.

Teaching good morals, good sportsmanship, good training and making good executive decisions and playbooks is all part of that.
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Postby Dakini » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:47 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Dakini wrote:That was not your claim. Your claim was about "normal":



Relevant portion in bold.

So now, thinking about sex normal amounts is too much? Because reasons?

Yes, thinking about sex for what has become the norm amount is too much. Many if the norms these days are inconsistent with a healthy and right lifestyle.

By your entirely arbitrary definition of "healthy and right lifestyle", which you can shove up your ass.

Dakini wrote:Sex is not a waste. It's a pleasant way to spend an afternoon.


Also happens with improved access and education about birth control.


Being boring and under-sexed is morally superior. Right. And I'm the Queen of England. :roll:


Spend an afternoon play a videogame or watching a movie. Sex isn't a toy.

How are those less of waste of time exactly? If anything, they're more of a waste of time because they're neither as pleasurable nor do I and my partner get the same sort of bonding experience.

Ok? I never said I was against birth control, because I'm not. Less sex and birth control is even better.

Not really.

There are millions of things to keep one occupied sex isn't the greatest thing ever. And under-sexed, WTF does that even mean?

I mean that you should loosen up and stop being such a judgmental nincompoop who acts like their lifestyle is superior (when it's very clearly not).

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