Escaping the 'Gay Culture'

[Nailed to the Perch]

Mine was better.

Yes, you've won in being more eloquent in your native language against a foreigner, be proud of it

I am!

Yours was good too, though. After all, we anti-melonists need to stick together. Anti-melon pride!

[Radiatia]

I have plenty of gay friends. Not one of them act like the stereotype, and most of them I didn't know were gay until it came up in conversation how they prefer men to women. '

Stereotypes are a load of shit, quite honestly.

[Meryuma]

You have no idea about pride and the help it does for our cause.

Your Pride parades looks like a Freak Show with all honesty .

Most of those guys do more harm than good with all their actions during those parades .

The whole point is that we don't care.

To bigots like you, sure.


Pssst, you aren't the kind of person we're trying to reach with the Pride movement.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cCUqzN1Ky74/TDX3cetE7OI/AAAAAAAAADw/TBbFp334i2g/s1600/Pride+1.jpg


The image speaks for itself and you never will reach people like me .

Do you hate children because of Halloween?

Pride is a festival. Being outlandish is the point. Since the theme of this festival is marginalized sexual and gender expressions, it can get raunchy.

Well then maybe you should elaborate on how gay pride parades convey a "false" image of homosexuals.

Because being vague is not a mark of cleverness.

So you're saying gay pride parades are an adequate representation of homosexuals?

Maybe an adequate representation of politically defiant homosexuals throwing a party.

(but nothing more, I dont swing that way... and it would be pedophilia... thats it

Bottle is an adult woman...

[Choronzon]

Well then maybe you should elaborate on how gay pride parades convey a "false" image of homosexuals.

Because being vague is not a mark of cleverness.

So you're saying gay pride parades are an adequate representation of homosexuals?

Nope.

They're an adequate representation of some homosexuals, yes.

There are also many homosexuals who aren't all rainbows and feather boas who go to pride parades all dressed up because its fun.

Hell, there are plenty of straight people who go to pride parades all dressed up for the same reason.


So, explain to me how pride parades are a "false" representation of homosexuals. You've already denied that you think no gay people act like that. So elaborate. Being vague is not a sign of cleverness.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I know.


I'm saying I'm not going to, because names are important, and every queer person needs to feel welcome in that community, whether they feel pride or no.

Then come up with an all inclusive name that doesn't present the problem of being descriptive.

Sure.

Queer Culture. That was easy.

I'm serious too, by the way. Queer is an identity, and one distinct from 'homosexual' or 'transsexual'.

You can be gay, but not identify as queer, and thus not be part of the queer community.

That work for you?

I mean, I call it the queer community anyway because it's a hell of a lot more accepting than 'gay' community so it won't really make a difference, but regardless.

[Katganistan]

Ugh, that's just sick, thinking there might be secret anti-melonists checking out my fruit cocktail...*shudder*

And you won't even know we're there...until one day, we eat a mango, right in front of your children.

Pssssh, Perch, you ain't mango enough to tango.

[The Blaatschapen]

Ugh, that's just sick, thinking there might be secret anti-melonists checking out my fruit cocktail...*shudder*

And you won't even know we're there...until one day, we eat a mango, right in front of your children.

And wow, man goes at it like never before!

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Can we at least agree that there are a spectrum of personality types under the umbrella of gay and that is sucks to try to exclude types you don't agree with as either "too gay" or "not gay enough"?

Absolutely.

I can further offer that it's shitty to give anybody a hard time for being insufficiently masculine or feminine, regardless of that person's biological sex or gender identity or sexual orientation or melon preference.

Absolutely.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Why on earth would I want to spend time with the kinds of people who think their sexuality is worth making such a fuss over?

There are organizations out there that aren't all flamboyant types. Seriously, if you have a local gay community center of some sort, go to it. You'll mostly find people in business casual dress doing their best to educate both straight and gay people on issues of importance.

Literally the only reason I can think of is the reason you point out. That if I don't go, i wont be represented. And as such, people will get the impression that gays are just like that.

And if that's not important to you, then stop bitching about it.

So in essence, because you people refuse to rename the culture,

You people? I'm straight. I'm actually a bit uncomfortable with this conversation, since I'm worried about doing whatever the straight-to-gay equivalent of mansplaining is.

i'm being forced to either participate, or to face misinformation that you are propogating.
Why can't you just rename it, and then I can not participate in peace.

Because that's been the name for decades. It's gained wide acceptance. It's there. And it's not like the society is lacking for "straight-acting" gays and lesbians out in the mainstream media. They're part of the culture. You're worried about a problem that is already rapidly disappearing.

You're doing just fine. Better than fine really.

[St George]

That's not what i'm proposing.
I'm proposing you stop calling it gay culture.
Why is that such a problem for you to understand?

I know.


I'm saying I'm not going to, because names are important, and every queer person needs to feel welcome in that community, whether they feel pride or no.

This needs repeating again and again and again. It is a huge part of what Pride is about, showing ourselves and everyone else that it doesn't matter if you're as camp as Liberace (and that closet case has a /lot/ to answer for with regards to 'gay' culture) or are seen as 'straight as a board', everyone who identifies as queer, lgbt, whatever, is a natural, acceptable, lovable human being who isn't some freak who should be persecuted,whether that persecution comes from the state or from individuals.

[The Steel Magnolia]

And why do I care about reaching you again?

Because the more people you reach the more accepted you become?

Just saying that's the logic he's employing.

If their acceptance is contingent on my blending in and accepting heteronormativity, fuck their acceptance.

[The Parkus Empire]

"FASCISM AND HOMOPHOBIA IS POPULAR IN SOME COUNTRIES!"

Really? This is where you're going to plant your flag?

I Stated that Nationalists groups are becoming more popular and that is true and also in France their rallies against Hollande Law lead many people outside to protest against it .

You have to respect that other people couldn't like Gays and you can't enforce them to like them .

It's when they aim to legislate against gays, discriminate against gays, or do something violent to gays, that problems start.

[Dalmacie]

I Stated that Nationalists groups are becoming more popular and that is true and also in France their rallies against Hollande Law lead many people outside to protest against it .

You have to respect that other people couldn't like Gays and you can't enforce them to like them .

No they didn't.

It was the regular crowd.

The same crowd that opposed civil unions.

The same old homophobes.

Which hardly mattered either way, because their numbers were never that great, they blatantly lied about their numbers, and then accused the police of lying nonetheless.

Oh, and the polls consistently showed support for SSM, and support for ending the Manif.

Oh welllllll.

Fantasy-land is fun.

[Anti Communismm]

Your Pride parades looks like a Freak Show with all honesty .

Most of those guys do more harm than good with all their actions during those parades .

The whole point is that we don't care.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cCUqzN1Ky74/TDX3cetE7OI/AAAAAAAAADw/TBbFp334i2g/s1600/Pride+1.jpg


The image speaks for itself and you never will reach people like me .

Do you hate children because of Halloween?

Pride is a festival. Being outlandish is the point. Since the theme of this festival is marginalized sexual and gender expressions, it can get raunchy.

So you're saying gay pride parades are an adequate representation of homosexuals?

Maybe an adequate representation of politically defiant homosexuals throwing a party.

(but nothing more, I dont swing that way... and it would be pedophilia... thats it

Bottle is an adult woman...

They can do that in their homes not in public since they are affecting other people who disagrees with them .

[Nailed to the Perch]

Proud to be a homosexual? Are you proud for breathing to?

Actually my pride in my sexuality has more to do with my ability to hold my breath...

**PG-13 forum** whoopsiedoodle

+1 internet to you.

[Ostroeuropa]

Then come up with an all inclusive name that doesn't present the problem of being descriptive.

Sure.

Queer Culture. That was easy.

I'm serious too, by the way. Queer is an identity, and one distinct from 'homosexual' or 'transsexual'.

You can be gay, but not identify as queer, and thus not be part of the queer community.

That work for you?

I mean, I call it the queer community anyway because it's a hell of a lot more accepting than 'gay' community so it won't really make a difference, but regardless.

Well, there'd need to be effort to tackle the notion that Gay = Queer, but it's an acceptable divorce since as you point out, though often confused they aren't the same.
If it were called Queer Culture more frequently, I suppose i'd be fine with it.

[Choronzon]

"FASCISM AND HOMOPHOBIA IS POPULAR IN SOME COUNTRIES!"

Really? This is where you're going to plant your flag?

I Stated that Nationalists groups are becoming more popular and that is true and also in France their rallies against Hollande Law lead many people outside to protest against it .

You have to respect that other people couldn't like Gays and you can't enforce them to like them .

Nope.

We can, however, ignore them while grown ups are talking.

[Nailed to the Perch]

And you won't even know we're there...until one day, we eat a mango, right in front of your children.

Pssssh, Perch, you ain't mango enough to tango.

*slurps down a lassi, scandalously*

[The Blaatschapen]

Yes, you've won in being more eloquent in your native language against a foreigner, be proud of it

I am!

Yours was good too, though. After all, we anti-melonists need to stick together. Anti-melon pride!

Though we, and especially you (given what I know of you), have to be careful not to be confused with anti-mellonists

[The Steel Magnolia]

Proud to be a homosexual? Are you proud for breathing to?

Actually my pride in my sexuality has more to do with my ability to hold my breath...

**PG-13 forum** whoopsiedoodle

I really wish that forum NA had been talking about was a thing.

[Des-Bal]

Nope.

They're an adequate representation of some homosexuals, yes.

Would you say they're an adequate representation of most homosexuals?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

The whole point is that we don't care.



Do you hate children because of Halloween?

Pride is a festival. Being outlandish is the point. Since the theme of this festival is marginalized sexual and gender expressions, it can get raunchy.



Maybe an adequate representation of politically defiant homosexuals throwing a party.



Bottle is an adult woman...

They can do that in their homes not in public since they are affecting other people who disagrees with them .

Do you support ending Mardi Gras parades, then? How about St. Patrick's Day parades, since not everyone is into heavy drinking?

[St George]

Sure.

Queer Culture. That was easy.

I'm serious too, by the way. Queer is an identity, and one distinct from 'homosexual' or 'transsexual'.

You can be gay, but not identify as queer, and thus not be part of the queer community.

That work for you?

I mean, I call it the queer community anyway because it's a hell of a lot more accepting than 'gay' community so it won't really make a difference, but regardless.

Well, there'd need to be effort to tackle the notion that Gay = Queer, but it's an acceptable divorce since as you point out, though often confused they aren't the same.
If it were called Queer Culture more frequently, I suppose i'd be fine with it.

Of course we already have word we can use.

"Camp".

[San Benedict e San Francesco]

Well then maybe you should elaborate on how gay pride parades convey a "false" image of homosexuals.

Because being vague is not a mark of cleverness.

10% of individuals are gay.
1/10 people you see on the street.
How many look like Priders?

100% of Brazill is Brazillians.

Every person in Rio de Genero...

How many are dressed up for carnival?

[Anti Communismm]

I Stated that Nationalists groups are becoming more popular and that is true and also in France their rallies against Hollande Law lead many people outside to protest against it .

You have to respect that other people couldn't like Gays and you can't enforce them to like them .

No they didn't.

It was the regular crowd.

The same crowd that opposed civil unions.

The same old homophobes.

Which hardly mattered either way, because their numbers were never that great, they blatantly lied about their numbers, and then accused the police of lying nonetheless.

Oh, and the polls consistently showed support for SSM, and support for ending the Manif.

Oh welllllll.

Fantasy-land is fun.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/world/europe/thousands-march-in-france-against-gay-marriage.html?_r=0

http://rt.com/op-edge/france-gay-marriage-protest-853/

http://rt.com/news/france-protest-gay-marriage-755/

I don't think near 150.000 is regular crowd -

So please don't lie .