Escaping the 'Gay Culture'

[Ostroeuropa]

Why on earth would I want to spend time with the kinds of people who think their sexuality is worth making such a fuss over?

Don't hang out with them then.

That was easy.

Literally the only reason I can think of is the reason you point out. That if I don't go, i wont be represented. And as such, people will get the impression that gays are just like that.
So in essence, because you people refuse to rename the culture, i'm being forced to either participate, or to face misinformation that you are propogating.
Why can't you just rename it, and then I can not participate in peace.

Because I don't care about you not participating in peace. Feel free not to involve yourself if you want, but don't strip it away from the rest of us.

Seriously, you're proposing we change a culture that encompassess millions upon millions of people, just because you don't like it.

That's not what i'm proposing.
I'm proposing you stop calling it gay culture.
Why is that such a problem for you to understand?

[The Blaatschapen]

We're here, we don't like melons, get used to it!

Mine was better.

Yes, you've won in being more eloquent in your native language against a foreigner, be proud of it

[Des-Bal]

Ooooh, so no gay people are actually like the people in gay pride parades? Is that what you're saying?

Because that would be fucking idiotic.

None I've ever seen.

[Ostroeuropa]

Ignorance causes bigotry
Gay pride events propogate a false image of homosexuals
IE fighting ignorance with misinformation.

Ooooh, so no gay people are actually like the people in gay pride parades? Is that what you're saying?

Because that would be fucking idiotic.

Uh well.
It's definately a minority. A very small minority.
Like having black pride parades, but everyone who turns up is a republican protestant in a business suit.

[DrakoBlaria]

Proud to be a homosexual? Are you proud for breathing to?

And anyway, there is really no way out of the "all gays are feminine" mindset... though what I find extremely ironic is that some feminine dudes I know that you would go and label as "fags" have banged some great @@@@

[Bottle]

Can we at least agree that there are a spectrum of personality types under the umbrella of gay and that is sucks to try to exclude types you don't agree with as either "too gay" or "not gay enough"?

Absolutely.

I can further offer that it's shitty to give anybody a hard time for being insufficiently masculine or feminine, regardless of that person's biological sex or gender identity or sexual orientation or melon preference.

[Anti Communismm]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cCUqzN1Ky74/TDX3cetE7OI/AAAAAAAAADw/TBbFp334i2g/s1600/Pride+1.jpg


The image speaks for itself

As an expression of Pride? Sure. As a summation of the movement and our cause and our goals? Hell no.

and you never will reach people like me .

We don't want to reach bigots like you.

The rest of society is already coming over to our side. Another generation, maybe two, and all that is left of your mindset will be the mocking comments of our descendants as they wonder just why people like you even existed.

How can that be expression of pride ?

I don't think so since in France for example huge rallies anti-Gays have been launched with thousands of people marching against LGBT .

Social Right Parties are becoming more popular look at Greece for example the Nationalist party is 3rd in the pool and other countries they are gaining more ground .

[Choronzon]

Ooooh, so no gay people are actually like the people in gay pride parades? Is that what you're saying?

Because that would be fucking idiotic.

None I've ever seen.

Well then maybe you should elaborate on how gay pride parades convey a "false" image of homosexuals.

Because being vague is not a mark of cleverness.

[Dalmacie]

You have no idea about pride and the help it does for our cause.

Your Pride parades looks like a Freak Show with all honesty .

Most of those guys do more harm than good with all their actions during those parades .

You know, I want a "crying" smilie.

Why isn't there one?

That's not fair.

I should petition for one.

Oh, right! Back to you. Cry me a river. Wah.

Oh rights for faggots...Booohooooo.

My life is ruined by others not being oppressed and sometimes murdered. Wahhh.

I hear Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan et al. are wonderful this time of year. Actually that was a lie, they're shitty all year round.

[Bottle]

Proud to be a homosexual? Are you proud for breathing to?

Actually my pride in my sexuality has more to do with my ability to hold my breath...

**PG-13 forum** whoopsiedoodle

[Choronzon]

As an expression of Pride? Sure. As a summation of the movement and our cause and our goals? Hell no.

We don't want to reach bigots like you.

The rest of society is already coming over to our side. Another generation, maybe two, and all that is left of your mindset will be the mocking comments of our descendants as they wonder just why people like you even existed.

How can that be expression of pride ?

I don't think so since in France for example huge rallies anti-Gays have been launched with thousands of people marching against LGBT .

Social Right Parties are becoming more popular look at Greece for example the Nationalist party is 3rd in the pool and other countries they are gaining more ground .

"FASCISM AND HOMOPHOBIA IS POPULAR IN SOME COUNTRIES!"

Really? This is where you're going to plant your flag?

[Ostroeuropa]

None I've ever seen.

Well then maybe you should elaborate on how gay pride parades convey a "false" image of homosexuals.

Because being vague is not a mark of cleverness.

10% of individuals are gay.
1/10 people you see on the street.
How many look like Priders?

[Des-Bal]

Well then maybe you should elaborate on how gay pride parades convey a "false" image of homosexuals.

Because being vague is not a mark of cleverness.

So you're saying gay pride parades are an adequate representation of homosexuals?

[TaQud]

Can we at least agree that there are a spectrum of personality types under the umbrella of gay and that is sucks to try to exclude types you don't agree with as either "too gay" or "not gay enough"?

agreed

[Nailed to the Perch]

We're there, we'd rather eat a pear, get used to it!

Ugh, that's just sick, thinking there might be secret anti-melonists checking out my fruit cocktail...*shudder*

And you won't even know we're there...until one day, we eat a mango, right in front of your children.

[Katganistan]

Can we at least agree that there are a spectrum of personality types under the umbrella of gay and that is sucks to try to exclude types you don't agree with as either "too gay" or "not gay enough"?

Absolutely.

I can further offer that it's shitty to give anybody a hard time for being insufficiently masculine or feminine, regardless of that person's biological sex or gender identity or sexual orientation or melon preference.

Agreed.

[DrakoBlaria]

Proud to be a homosexual? Are you proud for breathing to?

Actually my pride in my sexuality has more to do with my ability to hold my breath...

**PG-13 forum** whoopsiedoodle

Here, have my interwubz (but nothing more, I dont swing that way... and it would be pedophilia... thats it)

[The Steel Magnolia]

Don't hang out with them then.

That was easy.


Because I don't care about you not participating in peace. Feel free not to involve yourself if you want, but don't strip it away from the rest of us.

Seriously, you're proposing we change a culture that encompassess millions upon millions of people, just because you don't like it.

That's not what i'm proposing.
I'm proposing you stop calling it gay culture.
Why is that such a problem for you to understand?

I know.


I'm saying I'm not going to, because names are important, and every queer person needs to feel welcome in that community, whether they feel pride or no.

[Ostroeuropa]

That's not what i'm proposing.
I'm proposing you stop calling it gay culture.
Why is that such a problem for you to understand?

I know.


I'm saying I'm not going to, because names are important, and every queer person needs to feel welcome in that community, whether they feel pride or no.

Then come up with an all inclusive name that doesn't present the problem of being descriptive.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

No. YOU are part of gay culture. The fact that you are heteronormative is irrelevant. Take part in a parade, join a rights organization, or participate in some way in the community at large, and you're part of the culture. Neil Patrick Harris isn't effeminate, but he takes part in rallies and marches. Ellen DeGeneres is somewhat androgynous without being at all butch, but she's definitely part of the culture. You don't need to dress in drag, to lisp, to snap your fingers, or to shave yourself down, oil yourself up, and dance to club music in order to be part of the culture. You just have to accept the fact that it's there, and participate in your own way. Or you could also opt out, but then you forfeit your moral right to complain that you aren't being represented. Want people to see that gay people are diverse? Then be part of the diversity!

Why on earth would I want to spend time with the kinds of people who think their sexuality is worth making such a fuss over?

There are organizations out there that aren't all flamboyant types. Seriously, if you have a local gay community center of some sort, go to it. You'll mostly find people in business casual dress doing their best to educate both straight and gay people on issues of importance.

Literally the only reason I can think of is the reason you point out. That if I don't go, i wont be represented. And as such, people will get the impression that gays are just like that.

And if that's not important to you, then stop bitching about it.

So in essence, because you people refuse to rename the culture,

You people? I'm straight. I'm actually a bit uncomfortable with this conversation, since I'm worried about doing whatever the straight-to-gay equivalent of mansplaining is.

i'm being forced to either participate, or to face misinformation that you are propogating.
Why can't you just rename it, and then I can not participate in peace.

Because that's been the name for decades. It's gained wide acceptance. It's there. And it's not like the society is lacking for "straight-acting" gays and lesbians out in the mainstream media. They're part of the culture. You're worried about a problem that is already rapidly disappearing.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Absolutely.

I can further offer that it's shitty to give anybody a hard time for being insufficiently masculine or feminine, regardless of that person's biological sex or gender identity or sexual orientation or melon preference.

Agreed.

Preach.

[Faolinn]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cCUqzN1Ky74/TDX3cetE7OI/AAAAAAAAADw/TBbFp334i2g/s1600/Pride+1.jpg


The image speaks for itself and you never will reach people like me .

And why do I care about reaching you again?

Because the more people you reach the more accepted you become?

Just saying that's the logic he's employing.

[Belligerent Alcoholics]

Can we at least agree that there are a spectrum of personality types under the umbrella of gay and that it sucks to try to exclude types you don't find personally appealing as either "too gay" or "not gay enough"?

Scones > Cookies anyway. :3

[The Parkus Empire]

The majority of society is now accepting.

In the U.S.? Just barely, and because of things like gay pride, not because of gays who stayed quiet about themselves being gay and tried to blend in.

It's the minority that are a problem.
With them, it's the perceived alien nature of homosexuality that is the problem.

No, its the Bible that is their problem, for the most part. They're a dying breed. There's no point in people not being who they are in order to appease some fuckwads. If you can't accept gays who wear boas, then why should the gays ,who don't, give a rat's ass about you?

[Anti Communismm]

How can that be expression of pride ?

I don't think so since in France for example huge rallies anti-Gays have been launched with thousands of people marching against LGBT .

Social Right Parties are becoming more popular look at Greece for example the Nationalist party is 3rd in the pool and other countries they are gaining more ground .

"FASCISM AND HOMOPHOBIA IS POPULAR IN SOME COUNTRIES!"

Really? This is where you're going to plant your flag?

I Stated that Nationalists groups are becoming more popular and that is true and also in France their rallies against Hollande Law lead many people outside to protest against it .

You have to respect that other people couldn't like Gays and you can't enforce them to like them .