Escaping the 'Gay Culture'

[Ostroeuropa]

"I'll prove you wrong about making people uncomfortable by proving you right about us being weird."
Sound logic.

They see gays as weird for fucking their own sex, full stop. Bigotry against gays existed long before camp culture.

If you feel uncomfortable with people who don't act like white, straight, cisgender males, and you have to feel comfortable with someone to support their rights, then you are simply never, ever going to support LGBT rights. Simple as that. How will you support a woman trapped in a man's body if behaving in anyway besides the heteronormative one is behaving like a "subspecies"?

They aren't acting like white straight cisgender males.
They are acting like normal people.
It's offensive that you are suggesting I cannot be a proper gay unless i'm a prider.
That's the underlying implication of this argument.
You are saying that by being a member of mainstream culture, i'm not acting like a homosexual. I'm acting like a straight guy.
And that's precisely the fucking problem I have with you and the entire movement.
Do you honestly think there are no transgendered individuals (MtF) who are, nonetheless, acting as you would put it "Like a straight cisgendered male." and perfectly comfortable with that?

[The Parkus Empire]

They aren't acting like white straight cisgender males.
They are acting like normal people.

Those are one and the same, by yours and society's conception, if saying "fabulous" or wearing boa is abnormal.

[Des-Bal]

They see gays as weird for fucking their own sex, full stop. Bigotry against gays existed long before camp culture.

If you feel uncomfortable with people who don't act like white, straight, cisgender males, and you have to feel comfortable with someone to support their rights, then you are simply never, ever going to support LGBT rights. Simple as that. How will you support a woman trapped in a man's body if behaving in anyway besides the heteronormative one is behaving like a "subspecies"?

They assume gay people are weird, you are confirming their stereotypes. That is not good.

[Des-Bal]

All this boils down to victim-blaming really.

Which is why Ostro and Des-Bal's opinion should be tossed out by now and we should just stop worrying about it.

Victims are not incapable of wrongdoing. Shooting yourself in the foot is not a good strategy to adopt.

[The Parkus Empire]

They see gays as weird for fucking their own sex, full stop. Bigotry against gays existed long before camp culture.

If you feel uncomfortable with people who don't act like white, straight, cisgender males, and you have to feel comfortable with someone to support their rights, then you are simply never, ever going to support LGBT rights. Simple as that. How will you support a woman trapped in a man's body if behaving in anyway besides the heteronormative one is behaving like a "subspecies"?

They assume gay people are weird, you are confirming their stereotypes. That is not good.

If they think saying it's "weird" for a guy to say "fabulous", then that's their problem. People should not have to prune who they are to appease the heteronormative collective.

[Des-Bal]

If they think saying it's "weird" for a guy to say "fabulous", then that's their problem. People should not have to prune who they are to appease the heteronormative collective.

And if people go out of their way to appear alien they need to recognize the ramifications of that.

[Ostroeuropa]

Well fuck. Who'da thunk they'd kidnap us all and put us on this boat ride with them to- WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING!? Don't make holes in the ship!!! That's an awful strategy on how to get out of here!!!

Oh, you victim blamer!!!

[Yue-Laou]

I don't mind if gays act gay. Makes it easier to identify them. The notion of secret gays among us makes me feel uncomfortable and I'm not even a homphobe. You'd never know if a guy is checking you out and that would be weird.

[Frisivisia]

They see gays as weird for fucking their own sex, full stop. Bigotry against gays existed long before camp culture.

If you feel uncomfortable with people who don't act like white, straight, cisgender males, and you have to feel comfortable with someone to support their rights, then you are simply never, ever going to support LGBT rights. Simple as that. How will you support a woman trapped in a man's body if behaving in anyway besides the heteronormative one is behaving like a "subspecies"?

They assume gay people are weird, you are confirming their stereotypes. That is not good.

Black people, don't eat KFC, that would confirm stereotypes!

[The Parkus Empire]

If they think saying it's "weird" for a guy to say "fabulous", then that's their problem. People should not have to prune who they are to appease the heteronormative collective.

And if people go out of their way to appear alien they need to recognize the ramifications of that.

They're being who they are and saying they're proud of it, they aren't going out of their way to "appear alien". Fuck. Get a fucking life, stop judging people so much.

[The Parkus Empire]

Well fuck. Who'da thunk they'd kidnap us all and put us on this boat ride with them to- WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING!? Don't make holes in the ship!!! That's an awful strategy on how to get out of here!!!

Oh, you victim blamer!!!

>implying appeasement and acting normal has done jack shit for gay rights

[The Blaatschapen]

I don't mind if gays act gay. Makes it easier to identify them. The notion of secret gays among us makes me feel uncomfortable and I'm not even a homphobe. You'd never know if a guy is checking you out and that would be weird.

Why would it be weird if you never know?

Hell, why would it be weird at all?

Personally, I feel flattered when somebody checks me out, regardless of their sexuality.

[Des-Bal]

Black people, don't eat KFC, that would confirm stereotypes!

It's actually "black people don't set up a rally where you do eat kfc and watermelon while going 'lawdy lawdy' and drinking malt liquor."

I have no objection to the way people conduct themselves but when you stage an event you are actively projecting your public image.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

They see gays as weird for fucking their own sex, full stop. Bigotry against gays existed long before camp culture.

If you feel uncomfortable with people who don't act like white, straight, cisgender males, and you have to feel comfortable with someone to support their rights, then you are simply never, ever going to support LGBT rights. Simple as that. How will you support a woman trapped in a man's body if behaving in anyway besides the heteronormative one is behaving like a "subspecies"?

They aren't acting like white straight cisgender males.
They are acting like normal people.

Take a look at this sentence, people. Freeze it in amber. This is the very definition of internalized heteronormativity, and proof that it isn't limited to straight people.

It's offensive that you are suggesting I cannot be a proper gay unless i'm a prider.

Absolutely nobody is suggesting that. The Queer Mafia is not going to break into your house, rearrange the furniture, and replace your music files with Lady Gaga, Madonna, The Village People, and Judy Garland. You're not going to lose your bi credibility because people can't tell that you're not straight at a glance.

That's the underlying implication of this argument.

It really isn't. That's something that you, as an individual,, are choosing to read into it.

Also, no matter how you personally act, this weird idea that you seem to have that straight people are somehow turned off by queer culture insults me as a cisgendered straight male.

[Des-Bal]

They're being who they are and saying they're proud of it, they aren't going out of their way to "appear alien". Fuck. Get a fucking life, stop judging people so much.

Yes they are.

[Frisivisia]

Black people, don't eat KFC, that would confirm stereotypes!

It's actually "black people don't set up a rally where you do eat kfc and watermelon while going 'lawdy lawdy' and drinking malt liquor."

I have no objection to the way people conduct themselves but when you stage an event you are actively projecting your public image.

If there was a rally where black people ate KFC and watermelon and drank malt liquor, I'd be there.

[Ostroeuropa]

Well fuck. Who'da thunk they'd kidnap us all and put us on this boat ride with them to- WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING!? Don't make holes in the ship!!! That's an awful strategy on how to get out of here!!!

Oh, you victim blamer!!!

>implying appeasement and acting normal has done jack shit for gay rights

Well, it's won the argument.
It wasn't "Look how different we are! Get used to us making you uncomfortable!" that got people to stop being bigots.
it was
"You're gay? Well shit, i'd have never guessed. You aren't evil or anything. Huh. I guess now that I know you properly and it turns out your gay, I better re-evaluate my opinion."

[The Parkus Empire]

They're being who they are and saying they're proud of it, they aren't going out of their way to "appear alien". Fuck. Get a fucking life, stop judging people so much.

Yes they are.

No, you're going out of your way to perceive them as "alien".

[Yumyumsuppertime]

They assume gay people are weird, you are confirming their stereotypes. That is not good.

Black people, don't eat KFC, that would confirm stereotypes!

Shit. Better tell the Albertson's in my neighborhood to stop selling watermelon.

[Des-Bal]

If there was a rally where black people ate KFC and watermelon and drank malt liquor, I'd be there.

If there was a rally where black people ate kfc and watermelon and drank malt liquor every legitimate civil rights group would create as much distance as humanly possible.

[The Parkus Empire]

t's actually "black people don't set up a rally where you do eat kfc and watermelon while going 'lawdy lawdy' and drinking malt liquor."

I've never met a black person who loves watermelon and says "lawdy lawdy"...pretty sure this just comes from cartoons.

[Frisivisia]

Black people, don't eat KFC, that would confirm stereotypes!

Shit. Better tell the Albertson's in my neighborhood to stop selling watermelon.

And make sure to tell them not to sell athletic shoes, we can't have people thinking that black people are good at athletics!

[The Truth and Light]

It's actually "black people don't set up a rally where you do eat kfc and watermelon while going 'lawdy lawdy' and drinking malt liquor."

I have no objection to the way people conduct themselves but when you stage an event you are actively projecting your public image.

If there was a rally where black people ate KFC and watermelon and drank malt liquor, I'd be there.

Hell, I'd bring my Pride crew. It would be subversive as fuck.

[Frisivisia]

If there was a rally where black people ate KFC and watermelon and drank malt liquor, I'd be there.

If there was a rally where black people ate kfc and watermelon and drank malt liquor every legitimate civil rights group would create as much distance as humanly possible.

That sounds really fun.

[Ostroeuropa]

If there was a rally where black people ate KFC and watermelon and drank malt liquor, I'd be there.

If there was a rally where black people ate kfc and watermelon and drank malt liquor every legitimate civil rights group would create as much distance as humanly possible.

...
For some reason, my mind immediately thought of a bunch of white people in black face trying to pass off for being black, sitting around being black stereotypes and drinking liquor and eating chicken. (Everyone thinks everyone else is black.)
Meanwhile, the black people are just ignoring them and not attending.