Escaping the 'Gay Culture'

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

But he supports gay rights! (as long as said homos conform to his standards, regardless of how it makes the homos in question feel)

I support gay rights regardless I just happen to possess the ability to notice the effects of my actions. Depicting yourself as some flamboyant boa wearing sub-species is the opposite of what you want to do.

No it's fucking not.
I want pride events to make heteronormative and patriarchal supporters squirm and get confused and possibly aroused and feel fucking uncomfortable, because conforming to their heteronormative standards so thet don't "omg judge us" isn't going to get anyone anywhere.

[Des-Bal]

"Sub-species"? Are you fucking for real, homie?

"Stop acting like a sub-species of human."
"You think we're a sub-species!"

[The Parkus Empire]

sub-species

Good lord.

Social default: anything else is a non-person subspecies.

[Ostroeuropa]

I support gay rights regardless I just happen to possess the ability to notice the effects of my actions. Depicting yourself as some flamboyant boa wearing sub-species is the opposite of what you want to do.

No it's fucking not.
I want pride events to make heteronormative and patriarchal supporters squirm and get confused and possibly aroused and feel fucking uncomfortable, because conforming to their heteronormative standards so thet don't "omg judge us" isn't going to get anyone anywhere.

Says who?
Plenty of homosexuals are integrated just fine. In fact, you've essentially confessed here that you want gay pride parades to be purposefully obscene. That's a rationale that can be used to fucking ban them.
Now, i'm against banning obscenity, but just think about the kind of ammunition you give people for fucks sake.

[The Parkus Empire]

"Sub-species"? Are you fucking for real, homie?

"Stop acting like a sub-species of human."
"You think we're a sub-species!"

Yeah, you're the only one here who thinks acting like that makes you look like a subspecies.

[Des-Bal]

No it's fucking not.
I want pride events to make heteronormative and patriarchal supporters squirm and get confused and possibly aroused and feel fucking uncomfortable, because conforming to their heteronormative standards so thet don't "omg judge us" isn't going to get anyone anywhere.

Oh, if you want to make people uncomfortable about gays then yes that is exactly what you want to do.

"Be uncomfortable about us." Is a great slogan by the way.

[Blassland]

I think you are right, my best friend has a father who is homosexual and has a life-partner. I have met them and they seem perfectly normal, while flamboyant gays exist they do not seem to be the majority. There were multiple gay people at my high school, only one of them fit that stereotype and he did not wear women`s clothing or anything of the like. I personally do not care what homosexuals do if it does not affect me.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

No it's fucking not.
I want pride events to make heteronormative and patriarchal supporters squirm and get confused and possibly aroused and feel fucking uncomfortable, because conforming to their heteronormative standards so thet don't "omg judge us" isn't going to get anyone anywhere.

Oh, if you want to make people uncomfortable about gays then yes that is exactly what you want to do.

"Be uncomfortable about us." Is a great slogan by the way.

lol, try again.

[Ostroeuropa]

Oh, if you want to make people uncomfortable about gays then yes that is exactly what you want to do.

"Be uncomfortable about us." Is a great slogan by the way.

lol, try again.

Great debating there. He's right. Your position is ridiculous

[Des-Bal]

lol, try again.

"I want pride events to make heteronormative and patriarchal supporters squirm and get confused and possibly aroused and feel fucking uncomfortable"

Did I misunderstand that? It wasn't very ambiguous. You want to make people uncomfortable, great! Then keep doing exactly what you're doing. Hell, maybe the SS uniforms aren't a bad idea.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

I'm taking a break from this thread because all the heteronormativity in here is oppressive and homophobic.

[The Parkus Empire]

lol, try again.

"I want pride events to make heteronormative and patriarchal supporters squirm and get confused and possibly aroused and feel fucking uncomfortable"

Did I misunderstand that? It wasn't very ambiguous. You want to make people uncomfortable, great! Then keep doing exactly what you're doing. Hell, maybe the SS uniforms aren't a bad idea.

It's just doing to them what they do to others.

[Blassland]

lol, try again.

trying to make people uncomfortable is just going to hurt the LGTB rights movement, it seems like stooping to the level of some ignorant people would only make things worse
EDIT: if you want to gain supporters it seems like you should act in a civil manner and simply explain your predicament

[The Truth and Light]

I'm taking a break from this thread because all the heteronormativity in here is oppressive and homophobic.

I agree with you. Hetero-sympathizers are gross.

[The Steel Magnolia]

But he supports gay rights! (as long as said homos conform to his standards, regardless of how it makes the homos in question feel)

I support gay rights regardless I just happen to possess the ability to notice the effects of my actions. Depicting yourself as some flamboyant boa wearing sub-species is the opposite of what you want to do.

Oh damn. sub species.

And yet we should still care about appeasement?

[Des-Bal]

I'm taking a break from this thread because all the heteronormativity in here is oppressive and homophobic.

You should have announced you were off to chase down and consume a squirrel or something, that would have made people uncomfortable.

[Ostroeuropa]

"I want pride events to make heteronormative and patriarchal supporters squirm and get confused and possibly aroused and feel fucking uncomfortable"

Did I misunderstand that? It wasn't very ambiguous. You want to make people uncomfortable, great! Then keep doing exactly what you're doing. Hell, maybe the SS uniforms aren't a bad idea.

It's just doing to them what they do to others.

Because that's a great message.
"You see, we're just as fucking shitty as you are!"
well.
On that note, we may finally have some agreement.

[The Steel Magnolia]

"Sub-species"? Are you fucking for real, homie?

"Stop acting like a sub-species of human."
"You think we're a sub-species!"

Um, yes, that's a fairly logical thought progression.

Stop implies you think we're doing something you believe we should cease.

[Des-Bal]

Oh damn. sub species.

And yet we should still care about appeasement?

That's exactly why you should care about appeasement.

[Des-Bal]

Um, yes, that's a fairly logical thought progression.

Stop implies you think we're doing something you believe we should cease.

If I thought you were a subspecies why would I tell you to stop acting like it?

[Des-Bal]

It's just doing to them what they do to others.

"I'll prove you wrong about making people uncomfortable by proving you right about us being weird."
Sound logic.

[St George]

Dear Almost Everyone In This Thread Including The OP

Stop. Equating. Camp. To. Gay.

It. Is. Stupid.

Regard, St George.

[The Parkus Empire]

It's just doing to them what they do to others.

"I'll prove you wrong about making people uncomfortable by proving you right about us being weird."
Sound logic.

They see gays as weird for fucking their own sex, full stop. Bigotry against gays existed long before camp culture.

If you feel uncomfortable with people who don't act like white, straight, cisgender males, and you have to feel comfortable with someone to support their rights, then you are simply never, ever going to support LGBT rights. Simple as that. How will you support a woman trapped in a man's body if behaving in anyway besides the heteronormative one is behaving like a "subspecies"?

[The Parkus Empire]

Oh damn. sub species.

And yet we should still care about appeasement?

That's exactly why you should care about appeasement.

Appeasement has not gotten the gay movement anywhere. Saying "fuck you" and the change of generations has. It took gay pride and gay riots to bring gay rights to the public eye. It didn't come from being quiet and submissive.

[The Truth and Light]

Watching arguments degenerate every time Des-Bal enters the room is almost comedy to me.

"I'll prove you wrong about making people uncomfortable by proving you right about us being weird."
Sound logic.

They see gays as weird for fucking their own sex, full stop. Bigotry against gays existed long before camp culture.

If you feel uncomfortable with people who don't act like white, straight, cisgender males, and you have to feel comfortable with someone to support their rights, then you are simply never, ever going to support LGBT rights. Simple as that. How will you support a woman trapped in a man's body if behaving in anyway besides the heteronormative one is behaving like a "subspecies"?

All this boils down to victim-blaming really.

Which is why Ostro and Des-Bal's opinion should be tossed out by now and we should just stop worrying about it.