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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:22 pm

Verbal Pararhea wrote:
Nailed to the Perch wrote:Do you play games?


Not really.

(Note, while answering this, that you are posting on a forum for a game.)


An attempt at tu quoque which fails since I do not participate in the game on this site.


It is entirely normal that while one can agree piracy is, on the whole, wrong, and nonetheless engage in the activity.
Doubtless, pyromaniacs are aware they are wasting resources. Nonetheless...
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:22 pm

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The Parkus Empire wrote:Really? Is that why mathematicians are prized in Baseball? Is that why coach strategy is probably the most valuable asset in American Football?


Are they producing papers or making Fields medal worthy contributions to the field of mathematics?

I confused. Do you hate chess and go as well?
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:23 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
There is a strong divide in the LGBT community over effeminate (sissy) + affected men. The ones who hate them, the ones who hate those hating them, the ones who are them, and the ones wholly indifferent or alienated from the controversy.

In Brazil the latter group is almost non-existent. Perhaps in cultures where gender roles are more liberated there isn't such a strong issue about it, and you both escaped. But I didn't saw people who didn't knew about it, before.


So you presumed we were ignorant then tried to educate us with a source we can't read?
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Postby Verbal Pararhea » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:24 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:I confused. Do you hate chess and go as well?


Only insofar as they act to distract humanity from intellectual progress.

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:24 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
There is a strong divide in the LGBT community over effeminate (sissy) + affected men. The ones who hate them, the ones who hate those hating them, the ones who are them, and the ones wholly indifferent or alienated from the controversy.

In Brazil the latter group is almost non-existent. Perhaps in cultures where gender roles are more liberated there isn't such a strong issue about it, and you both escaped. But I didn't saw people who didn't knew about it, before.


So you presumed we were ignorant then tried to educate us with a source we can't read?


I will translate. -__-
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Postby Jello Biafra » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:24 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Jello Biafra wrote:Interesting. Do you tend to associate flamboyance with a particular group of people?


No.

So then you don't have a problem with "gay culture"?

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:24 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
There is a strong divide in the LGBT community over effeminate (sissy) + affected men. The ones who hate them, the ones who hate those hating them, the ones who are them, and the ones wholly indifferent or alienated from the controversy.

In Brazil the latter group is almost non-existent. Perhaps in cultures where gender roles are more liberated there isn't such a strong issue about it, and you both escaped. But I didn't saw people who didn't knew about it, before.


So you presumed we were ignorant then tried to educate us with a source we can't read?


No, she thought we were ignorant and assumed that since we are ignorant we must be straight.
Since gay people are never ignorant about this subject, or are almost-non existent.
Which strikes me as prejudiced.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:25 pm

Verbal Pararhea wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I confused. Do you hate chess and go as well?


Only insofar as they act to distract humanity from intellectual progress.

So does posting here, genius.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:25 pm

Nailed to the Perch wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Get a job, long hairs!


I wonder if the degree of his hatred is proportional to hair length. Then I could be his archenemy! MWAHAHAHA.

With an evil laugh like that you may just have a future in comic book villainy. I don't suppose you have access to a catsuit with a boob window?

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Postby Verbal Pararhea » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:27 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Verbal Pararhea wrote:
Only insofar as they act to distract humanity from intellectual progress.

So does posting here, genius.


I was under the impression that the purpose of this forum was intellectual discussion. In addition, I do not hate games as a whole. As I said, I hate when they become a distraction from intellectual progress.
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Postby Nailed to the Perch » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:27 pm

Verbal Pararhea wrote:
Nailed to the Perch wrote:Do you play games?


Not really.

(Note, while answering this, that you are posting on a forum for a game.)


An attempt at tu quoque which fails since I do not participate in the game on this site.


I am curious how participating in this forum, in and of itself, is a productive use of cognitive and financial resources - and specifically, how it is a MORE productive use of cognitive and financial resources than participating in a forum discussing fashion.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:28 pm

Jello Biafra wrote:So then you don't have a problem with "gay culture"?


I'm done following this train of questioning. You're fruitlessly trying to create a narrative where disliking flamboyance and associating flamboyance with gays means you hate gays and hate flamboyance for it's association with them.
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Postby Nailed to the Perch » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:28 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Nailed to the Perch wrote:
I wonder if the degree of his hatred is proportional to hair length. Then I could be his archenemy! MWAHAHAHA.

With an evil laugh like that you may just have a future in comic book villainy. I don't suppose you have access to a catsuit with a boob window?


NA won't let me borrow it. :(
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Postby Jello Biafra » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:30 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Jello Biafra wrote:So then you don't have a problem with "gay culture"?


I'm done following this train of questioning. You're fruitlessly trying to create a narrative where disliking flamboyance and associating flamboyance with gays means you hate gays and hate flamboyance for it's association with them.

You've just said that you don't associate flamboyance with gays (or any other group of people).
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:30 pm

Jello Biafra wrote:You've just said that you don't associate flamboyance with gays (or any other group of people).


Hence fruitless.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:31 pm

Jello Biafra wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
I'm done following this train of questioning. You're fruitlessly trying to create a narrative where disliking flamboyance and associating flamboyance with gays means you hate gays and hate flamboyance for it's association with them.

You've just said that you don't associate flamboyance with gays (or any other group of people).


Do you like Gangsta's?
You know, stereotypical black people.
People who fulfill the stereotype do exist. I dislike them.
In fact, people who fulfill almost any stereotype are bound to be incredibly annoying fucks, since stereotyping is done as a way to denigrate people by other groups. It's an insult. They point to the most annoying or awful people who are in your demographic and say "You are all like them."
What I cannot fathom is why the Gay priders, the people who fulfill the gay stereotype, decided to go out and be all in everyones faces about it.
If a bunch of Gangsta's started doing that, and worse, started calling it "Black culture" how would you react, if you were a black person?
You'd probably be like
"Fucking stop that you asshole."
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Jello Biafra » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:32 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Jello Biafra wrote:You've just said that you don't associate flamboyance with gays (or any other group of people).


Hence fruitless.

Perhaps so, because if you don't have a problem with "gay culture" then we don't have a particular reason to be arguing.
Nice pun, by the way.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:34 pm

Or better, when the klan starts marching around proclaiming it's a white culture parade.
As a white person, how does that make you react.
As a bisexual, I react the exact same way to the pride parades.
They are a stereotype, a complete parody of who I am. They can be like that if they want. Fine. I dislike it, but fine.
Just stop calling it gay pride.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:35 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
White culture isn't a subculture.


Missing the point.
Labeling a culture after a demographic when it isn't all-inclusive or even DESCRIPTIVE of that demographic, is discriminatory and perpetuates stereotypes.
Cut it out.
The point of that post was that renaming a culture to something more appropriate isn't someone "Taking" your culture from you, and it's childish to say otherwise.


Except it's not about queer pride, it's about being queer.

if you don't want to be a part of that, fine. You're not queer, you're just gay.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:35 pm

Verbal Pararhea wrote:I was under the impression that the purpose of this forum was intellectual discussion.


Discussion, yes. Progress, fuck no. You want progress, getting active is how it's done. This is just an intellectual circle jerk and/or dogpile.

In addition, I do not hate games as a whole. As I said, I hate when they become a distraction from intellectual progress.

Define "distract", then source where any game impeded "intellectual progress" (whatever that is).
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:36 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Missing the point.
Labeling a culture after a demographic when it isn't all-inclusive or even DESCRIPTIVE of that demographic, is discriminatory and perpetuates stereotypes.
Cut it out.
The point of that post was that renaming a culture to something more appropriate isn't someone "Taking" your culture from you, and it's childish to say otherwise.


Except it's not about queer pride, it's about being queer.

if you don't want to be a part of that, fine. You're not queer, you're just gay.


Can someone be queer and heterosexual cisgendered?
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Jello Biafra » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:36 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:What I cannot fathom is why the Gay priders, the people who fulfill the gay stereotype, decided to go out and be all in everyones faces about it.

In general, if you do not tell the majority of people that you're gay, they will assume otherwise.

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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:36 pm

Jello Biafra wrote:Perhaps so, because if you don't have a problem with "gay culture" then we don't have a particular reason to be arguing.
Nice pun, by the way.


Unintentional.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:37 pm

Jello Biafra wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:What I cannot fathom is why the Gay priders, the people who fulfill the gay stereotype, decided to go out and be all in everyones faces about it.

In general, if you do not tell the majority of people that you're gay, they will assume otherwise.


So mention you are gay.
Thats fine.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:38 pm

Nailed to the Perch wrote:
Ifreann wrote:With an evil laugh like that you may just have a future in comic book villainy. I don't suppose you have access to a catsuit with a boob window?


NA won't let me borrow it. :(

Then prove your super-villainy by heisting it.

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