Escaping the 'Gay Culture'

[Lion Vale]

What bothers me is 'gayness'. Gay is a word that straight bigots conjured up that's now entered the mainstream

Actually the word "gay" was derived from the 12th century word "gai" meaning joyful. It was sexualized centuries later. However, the word referring to sexuality dated far closer to the late 19th century.

[Des-Bal]

Very well. If it isn't sexism that motivates your hatred of flamboyance and over-excitedness, then what is it?

I imagine my dislike of flamboyance stems from my dislike of flamboyance much like my dislike of onions stems from my dislike of onions.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

When the person hates them because of that association, it is.

Sure.
But noone has argued that that isn't sexist.
We've argued that merely hating them isn't.

There is a subtle difference between hating affected people and hating effeminate men. I know some can't see a difference, but there is.

[Ostroeuropa]

Ostroeuropa, I don't care about your questions. You are only one whining. As I said, I won't bother with people who can't see an inch beyond them. If you can't see how hating feminity in males is thinking people supposed to be men are in a higher standard than people supposed to be women is a very clear form of sexism, no one in this world is going to make you see the fucking obvious.

The internet is neither your schoolteacher nor your babysitter.

Noone said anything about it being in males.
Noone.
Hating certain feminine traits.
NEVER said In males.
So you are arguing with figments of your imagination.
Something i'm finding infuriatingly common.

[Faolinn]

What bothers me is 'gayness'. Gay is a word that straight bigots conjured up that's now entered the mainstream

Actually the word "gay" was derived from the 12th century word "gai" meaning joyful. It was sexualized centuries later. However, the word referring to sexuality dated far closer to the late 19th century.

Even then it referred to promiscuity rather than any preference for the same sex.

[Jello Biafra]

When the person hates them because of that association, it is.

"Nobodies arguing otherwise. You're saying that because the traits are associated with women hating them immediately constitutes misogyny."

The OP appears to have argued otherwise.

[Ostroeuropa]

Sure.
But noone has argued that that isn't sexist.
We've argued that merely hating them isn't.

There is a subtle difference between hating affected people and hating effeminate men. I know some can't see a difference, but there is.

Find ANY post where I said these traits being in MEN is a bad thing, as opposed to merely these traits.
Go ahead. You've just accused me of strawmanning then you come out with this bullshit?

[Ostroeuropa]

"Nobodies arguing otherwise. You're saying that because the traits are associated with women hating them immediately constitutes misogyny."

The OP appears to have argued otherwise.

We are not the OP.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Ostroeuropa, I don't care about your questions. You are only one whining. As I said, I won't bother with people who can't see an inch beyond them. If you can't see how hating feminity in males is thinking people supposed to be men are in a higher standard than people supposed to be women is a very clear form of sexism, no one in this world is going to make you see the fucking obvious.

The internet is neither your schoolteacher nor your babysitter.

Noone said anything about it being in males.
Noone.
Hating certain feminine traits.
NEVER said In males.
So you are arguing with figments of your imagination.
Something i'm finding infuriatingly common.

I said.

[Ifreann]

The OP appears to have argued otherwise.

We are not the OP.

Are we also not amused?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

There is a subtle difference between hating affected people and hating effeminate men. I know some can't see a difference, but there is.

Find ANY post where I said these traits being in MEN is a bad thing, as opposed to merely these traits.
Go ahead. You've just accused me of strawmanning then you come out with this bullshit?

I think I'm tired. But you didn't help, clearly trying to confuse me.

[Ostroeuropa]

Noone said anything about it being in males.
Noone.
Hating certain feminine traits.
NEVER said In males.
So you are arguing with figments of your imagination.
Something i'm finding infuriatingly common.

I said.

So you're arguing with figments of your imagination.
Great.
In that case, cut out the middle man and don't make us have to read it.

[Ostroeuropa]

Find ANY post where I said these traits being in MEN is a bad thing, as opposed to merely these traits.
Go ahead. You've just accused me of strawmanning then you come out with this bullshit?

I think I'm tired. But you didn't help, clearly trying to confuse me.

I'm not trying to confuse you. You are just confused.
"I fucked up. It must be YOUR fault."
nice attitude.
If I have never said "these traits being in men is bad" and have ONLY said "These traits are bad" then it is YOUR fault for making up the former, apparently out of thin air.
If your entire argument is based around the former, then you've essentially admitted you have no argument and have wasted everyones time by jumping to conclusions and making shit up.

[Des-Bal]

I think I'm tired. But you didn't help, clearly trying to confuse me.

I don't think you needed much help. Disliking specific personality traits is not sexism racism or any ism.

[Jello Biafra]

Very well. If it isn't sexism that motivates your hatred of flamboyance and over-excitedness, then what is it?

I imagine my dislike of flamboyance stems from my dislike of flamboyance much like my dislike of onions stems from my dislike of onions.

Most likely you dislike onions because you find that they taste and smell unpleasant to you.

[The Parkus Empire]

When the person hates them because of that association, it is.

"Nobodies arguing otherwise. You're saying that because the traits are associated with women hating them immediately constitutes misogyny."

Calling someone submissive or vain in a negative way is not misogynist. Calling someone "girly", which is pretty much what the OP is doing, is. Seriously, how the fuck is a guy being interested in fashion or hair, or using the word "fabulous", "bad" in any sense but a misogynist one?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

I think I'm tired. But you didn't help, clearly trying to confuse me.

I'm not trying to confuse you. You are just confused.
"I fucked up. It must be YOUR fault."
nice attitude.
If I have never said "these traits being in men is bad" and have ONLY said "These traits are bad" then it is YOUR fault for making up the former, apparently out of thin air.

DEAR, WHAT IS THIS WHOLE THREAD ABOUT?

You were confusing me for trying to argue over minor non-issues that no one gives a fuck about.

Ah, you're just like my stepmother.

[Ostroeuropa]

We are not the OP.

Are we also not amused?

I'm always amused. Or angry.
Or aroused.
Or nonchalant.

[Jello Biafra]

The OP appears to have argued otherwise.

We are not the OP.

I responded to the OP. You argued with me.

[Cetacea]

so you're a gay man who doesn't like poofters?

what a bigoted fag you are:P

[Des-Bal]

Most likely you dislike onions because you find that they taste and smell unpleasant to you.

I don't like the taste of onions because I don't like the taste of onions.

It doesn't go deeper than that.

[Verbal Pararhea]

Calling someone submissive or vain in a negative way is not misogynist. Calling someone "girly", which is pretty much what the OP is doing, is. Seriously, how the fuck is a guy being interested in fashion or hair, or using the word "fabulous", "bad" in any sense but a misogynist one?

I would call anyone being interested in fashion or hair a problem.

[United Furry Alliance]

I have 2 gay uncles that are married. They don't act like the stupidity that is tv and are quite average.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm not trying to confuse you. You are just confused.
"I fucked up. It must be YOUR fault."
nice attitude.
If I have never said "these traits being in men is bad" and have ONLY said "These traits are bad" then it is YOUR fault for making up the former, apparently out of thin air.

DEAR, WHAT IS THIS WHOLE THREAD ABOUT?

You were confusing me for trying to argue over minor non-issues that no one gives a fuck about.

Ah, you're just like my stepmother.

The thread is about gay culture, and the gay stereotype.
Saying "I do not like the traits that the gay stereotype holds." and then you saying "You dislike people who hold these traits because they are men." is a complete non-sequiter.

[Aequalitia]

so you're a gay man who doesn't like poofters?

what a bigoted fag you are:P

To who you are reference?