Escaping the 'Gay Culture'

[Rawrckia]

Actually, you are.

Yeah. "It makes me uncomfortable that there might be a gay guy near me and I don't even know" is close to "But what if they make the children gay?" in terms of signs of homophobia.

I don't think there's any "homophobe" who genuinely believes that being gay is contagious like the flu and you can become gay by being in proximity to a homosexual.

No, they're worried about "gay/trans* acceptance" and how it's taught (read as: promoted) in schools rather than the gays themselves. The slippery slope doesn't wait for gay marriage to be legalized, there is already talk of "beastiality brothels" in Germany, possibility lowering age of consent in Britain/recognizing pedophilia as a sexual orientation in the U.S., etc.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Every time I read this thread title, I keep imagining there's something no one ever explained to me about the Culture series. And then it reminds me that he died just recently and now I'm sad all over again.

[The Blaatschapen]

Well, there'd need to be effort to tackle the notion that Gay = Queer, but it's an acceptable divorce since as you point out, though often confused they aren't the same.
If it were called Queer Culture more frequently, I suppose i'd be fine with it.

Of course we already have word we can use.

"Camp".

I love camp. Back when I was young I watched "Are you being served" and Mr. Humphries was my favourite character

[Choronzon]

Nope.

They're an adequate representation of some homosexuals, yes.

Would you say they're an adequate representation of most homosexuals?

How could I possibly say that without being plugged into the Gay Hivemind?

I would say they are an adequate representation of enough homosexuals, and that even homosexuals who aren't like that every day enjoy dressing up once a year.

But the numbers who are nothing but glitters and rainbows in their day to day lives are irrelevant, because the whole flaunting gayness thing is kind of the point of gay pride parades. But I forget that you're one of those people who just utterly fails to grasp the point of a marginalized group's pride movements, and just goes 'hur hur hur pride is always dumb this is my false egalitarianism."

[The Parkus Empire]

I don't think there's any "homophobe" who genuinely believes that being gay is contagious like the flu and you can become gay by being in proximity to a homosexual.

Please explain why they are worried about gay Scout Masters.

No, they're worried about "gay/trans* acceptance" and how it's taught (read as: promoted) in schools rather than the gays themselves. The slippery slope doesn't wait for gay marriage to be legalized, there is already talk of "beastiality brothels" in Germany, possibility lowering age of consent in Britain/recognizing pedophilia as a sexual orientation in the U.S., etc.

Just like legalizing sex outside of wedlock caused rape to be legal. This argument is shit.

[Frisivisia]

Would you say they're an adequate representation of most homosexuals?

How could I possibly say that without being plugged into the Gay Hivemind?

I would say they are an adequate representation of enough homosexuals, and that even homosexuals who aren't like that every day enjoy dressing up once a year.

The whole flaunting gayness thing is kind of the point of gay pride parades. But I forget that you're one of those people who just utterly fails to grasp the point of a marginalized group's pride movements, and just goes 'hur hur hur pride is always dumb this is my false egalitarianism."

I think the proper term is "Pedantry Patrol Officer".

[Dakini]

Proud to be a homosexual? Are you proud for breathing to?

Actually my pride in my sexuality has more to do with my ability to hold my breath...

**PG-13 forum** whoopsiedoodle

Hawt.

[Bottle]

I know.


I'm saying I'm not going to, because names are important, and every queer person needs to feel welcome in that community, whether they feel pride or no.

This needs repeating again and again and again. It is a huge part of what Pride is about, showing ourselves and everyone else that it doesn't matter if you're as camp as Liberace (and that closet case has a /lot/ to answer for with regards to 'gay' culture) or are seen as 'straight as a board', everyone who identifies as queer, lgbt, whatever, is a natural, acceptable, lovable human being who isn't some freak who should be persecuted,whether that persecution comes from the state or from individuals.

I think what people are having trouble with is that Pride culture is evolving just like every other aspect of culture, and the pace of that evolution doesn't suit everyone.

Pride 1.0 was about fighting for and establishing the space to be out of the closet. Naturally, this tended to emphasize the aspects of gay culture that are distinct from mainstream culture, most obviously the camp culture for men which is so very transgressive because AMG GIRL COOTIES.

Pride 2.0 is more about fighting for and establishing the reality that, once out of the closet, gay people are just like everyone else. That is to say, gay people are a diverse group that is not defined purely by their faggitude. In some ways this will be harder than Pride 1.0, because 1.0 was about carving out our own space and 2.0 is about getting everyone to recognize that we are sharing the same space as non-queers. That can actually be a fuck of a lot more threatening to people, as evidenced by all the 'phobes who are okay with fags as long as we keep our fagging out of their sightline and don't accidentally remind them we exist.

The message that masculinity does not belong to straight men alone is going to cause some heads to explode (just ask the feminist movement about that one), and not just for straight people.

[Dakini]

Well then maybe you should elaborate on how gay pride parades convey a "false" image of homosexuals.

Because being vague is not a mark of cleverness.

10% of individuals are gay.
1/10 people you see on the street.
How many look like Priders?

Yeah... because people dress the exact same way during parades and parties as they do when they're casually going about their business.

I know that I constantly wear my Hallowe'en costumes, even in February. Some people say you can't be a fairy princess all year, but I'm out to prove them wrong.

[Des-Bal]

How could I possibly say that without being plugged into the Gay Hivemind?

I would say they are an adequate representation of enough homosexuals, and that even homosexuals who aren't like that every day enjoy dressing up once a year.

But the numbers who are nothing but glitters and rainbows in their day to day lives are irrelevant, because the whole flaunting gayness thing is kind of the point of gay pride parades. But I forget that you're one of those people who just utterly fails to grasp the point of a marginalized group's pride movements, and just goes 'hur hur hur pride is always dumb this is my false egalitarianism."

You're saying being flamboyant is PART of being gay. It isn't. Gay pride events do NOT represent what homosexuals are actually like but they are the image the community pushes. That is why every depiction of homosexuals in media is of them being vapid stereotypes. It's detrimental.

[St George]

10% of individuals are gay.
1/10 people you see on the street.
How many look like Priders?

Yeah... because people dress the exact same way during parades and parties as they do when they're casually going about their business.

I know that I constantly wear my Hallowe'en costumes, even in February. Some people say you can't be a fairy princess all year, but I'm out to prove them wrong.

At least you're a fairy princess, I've been the back end of a horse for 9 months.

[Gauntleted Fist]

10% of individuals are gay.
1/10 people you see on the street.
How many look like Priders?

Yeah... because people dress the exact same way during parades and parties as they do when they're casually going about their business.

I know that I constantly wear my Hallowe'en costumes, even in February. Some people say you can't be a fairy princess all year, but I'm out to prove them wrong.

I would legitimately cosplay a character from one of my favorite game/anime every day for a year straight if it wouldn't get me fired/lynched.

[Des-Bal]

Yeah... because people dress the exact same way during parades and parties as they do when they're casually going about their business.

I know that I constantly wear my Hallowe'en costumes, even in February. Some people say you can't be a fairy princess all year, but I'm out to prove them wrong.

If you had to pick an image to represent you to the entire world would it be of you in your halloween costume?

[Meryuma]

"FASCISM AND HOMOPHOBIA IS POPULAR IN SOME COUNTRIES!"

Really? This is where you're going to plant your flag?

I Stated that Nationalists groups are becoming more popular and that is true and also in France their rallies against Hollande Law lead many people outside to protest against it .

You have to respect that other people couldn't like Gays and you can't enforce them to like them .

You can't force gays to not be gay either.

The slippery slope doesn't wait for gay marriage to be legalized, there is already talk of "beastiality brothels" in Germany, possibility lowering age of consent in Britain/recognizing pedophilia as a sexual orientation in the U.S., etc.

Source?

Also, reforming British age of consent laws is totally reasonable. What's your problem with it? They're not legalizing child molestation.

[Dakini]

Yeah... because people dress the exact same way during parades and parties as they do when they're casually going about their business.

I know that I constantly wear my Hallowe'en costumes, even in February. Some people say you can't be a fairy princess all year, but I'm out to prove them wrong.

At least you're a fairy princess, I've been the back end of a horse for 9 months.

This is why you should never do group costumes.

Or I guess pair costumes either.

[The Blaatschapen]

Yeah... because people dress the exact same way during parades and parties as they do when they're casually going about their business.

I know that I constantly wear my Hallowe'en costumes, even in February. Some people say you can't be a fairy princess all year, but I'm out to prove them wrong.

At least you're a fairy princess, I've been the back end of a horse for 9 months.

Ah, that's why you talk out of your ass sometimes

[Frisivisia]

At least you're a fairy princess, I've been the back end of a horse for 9 months.

Ah, that's why you talk out of your ass sometimes

I've always thought George's posts seemed a little bit half-assed.

[Dalmacie]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/world/europe/thousands-march-in-france-against-gay-marriage.html?_r=0

http://rt.com/op-edge/france-gay-marriage-protest-853/

http://rt.com/news/france-protest-gay-marriage-755/

I don't think near 150.000 is regular crowd -

So please don't lie .

Sweetie, do not argue French politics with a Frenchman.

150,000 is perfectly regular.

It is in fact sort-of sub-par.

You underestimate the French will to protest.

Here, let me give you a list of "large protests". Source in case you want to claim I'm lying: http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/galeries-photos/social/20100908.OBS9567/les-10-plus-grandes-manifestations-en-france-depuis-15-ans.html

10- 1 May 2002: 1.3 million march in Paris against the candidacy of Jean-Marine Le Pen in the presidential elections.

9- 18 March 2008: 1.5 million against new employment contracts.

8- 3 June 2003: 1.5 million against retirement reform.

7- 24 June 2010: 2 million against retirement reform.

6- 13 May 2003: 2 million against retirement reform. (What a pattern )

5- 12 December 1995: 2.2 million against social security reform.

4- 29 January 2009: 2.5 million against the economic crisis.

3- 7 September 2010: 2.5 to 3 million against retirement reform.

2- 28 March 2006: 3 million against employment contracts.

1- 19 March 2009: 3 million against the economic crisis.

And that's just in the last 15 years.

Please, try again.

[San Benedict e San Francesco]

Yeah... because people dress the exact same way during parades and parties as they do when they're casually going about their business.

I know that I constantly wear my Hallowe'en costumes, even in February. Some people say you can't be a fairy princess all year, but I'm out to prove them wrong.

If you had to pick an image to represent you to the entire world would it be of you in your halloween costume?

Last year, I was a doctor, so... yes.

[The Blaatschapen]

Ah, that's why you talk out of your ass sometimes

I've always thought George's posts seemed a little bit half-assed.

I expect to find the other half of his costume in my bed soon for my remark.

[Rawrckia]

I don't think there's any "homophobe" who genuinely believes that being gay is contagious like the flu and you can become gay by being in proximity to a homosexual.

1. Please explain why they are worried about gay Scout Masters.

No, they're worried about "gay/trans* acceptance" and how it's taught (read as: promoted) in schools rather than the gays themselves. The slippery slope doesn't wait for gay marriage to be legalized, there is already talk of "beastiality brothels" in Germany, possibility lowering age of consent in Britain/recognizing pedophilia as a sexual orientation in the U.S., etc.

2. Just like legalizing sex outside of wedlock caused rape to be legal. This argument is shit.

1. It's a commonly held belief that most pedophiles are gays/many gays are pedophiles. This doesn't mean it is true, but it is still a fairly popular belief.

2. I was about to claim false equivalency but I'm not sure what you're trying to say, would you please elaborate?
Also, it is a fact that beastiality brothels are going to/already exist in Germany, and that NAMBLA still exists/some people ARE trying to lower AOC in Britain/an attempt was made at formally recognizing pedophilia as a sexuality in California. Maybe these aren't directly linked to "gay acceptance" but I was under the impression that radical 3rd wave feminism wanted to recognize all sexualities.

[Frisivisia]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/world/europe/thousands-march-in-france-against-gay-marriage.html?_r=0

http://rt.com/op-edge/france-gay-marriage-protest-853/

http://rt.com/news/france-protest-gay-marriage-755/

I don't think near 150.000 is regular crowd -

So please don't lie .

Sweetie, do not argue French politics with a Frenchman.

150,000 is perfectly regular.

It is in fact sort-of sub-par.

You underestimate the French will to protest.

Here, let me give you a list of "large protests". Source in case you want to claim I'm lying: http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/galeries-photos/social/20100908.OBS9567/les-10-plus-grandes-manifestations-en-france-depuis-15-ans.html

10- 1 May 2002: 1.3 million march in Paris against the candidacy of Jean-Marine Le Pen in the presidential elections.

9- 18 March 2008: 1.5 million against new employment contracts.

8- 3 June 2003: 1.5 million against retirement reform.

7- 24 June 2010: 2 million against retirement reform.

6- 13 May 2003: 2 million against retirement reform. (What a pattern )

5- 12 December 1995: 2.2 million against social security reform.

4- 29 January 2009: 2.5 million against the economic crisis.

3- 7 September 2010: 2.5 to 3 million against retirement reform.

2- 28 March 2006: 3 million against employment contracts.

1- 19 March 2009: 3 million against the economic crisis.

And that's just in the last 15 years.

Please, try again.

Yes, never debate French Politics with a Frenchman, because he will run away and concede his point after you finish your first sentence.

[Dakini]

Yeah... because people dress the exact same way during parades and parties as they do when they're casually going about their business.

I know that I constantly wear my Hallowe'en costumes, even in February. Some people say you can't be a fairy princess all year, but I'm out to prove them wrong.

If you had to pick an image to represent you to the entire world would it be of you in your halloween costume?

If I had to represent myself having fun at a party, sure! I like people to know that I'm capable of having a good time and have a sense of humour about myself (and it's probably better than the party pictures where I'm clearly wasted).

I mean, really? If you think that pride parades are representative of how anyone is all the time then you're an idiot. Sure, maybe the guys in the assless chaps do that on the weekend in a club, but during the week they're probably your normal suit and tie* unsuspecting guys you'd never look twice at (except to check out).


*or whatever attire is appropriate for their jobs

[Dalmacie]

Yes, never debate French Politics with a Frenchman, because he will run away and concede his point after you finish your first sentence.

Indeed.

Now I better hurry and get the white flag before I am utterly decimated.

[Dakini]

Yeah... because people dress the exact same way during parades and parties as they do when they're casually going about their business.

I know that I constantly wear my Hallowe'en costumes, even in February. Some people say you can't be a fairy princess all year, but I'm out to prove them wrong.

I would legitimately cosplay a character from one of my favorite game/anime every day for a year straight if it wouldn't get me fired/lynched.

Because costumes are fun!

Granted, I feel like part of the fun of costumes is that they're not something you wear every day.