Escaping the 'Gay Culture'

[United states of awsomeness]

If you had to pick an image to represent you to the entire world would it be of you in your halloween costume?

If I had to represent myself having fun at a party, sure! I like people to know that I'm capable of having a good time and a sense of humour about myself (and it's probably better than the party pictures where I'm clearly wasted).

I mean, really? If you think that pride parades are representative of how anyone is all the time then you're an idiot. Sure, maybe the guys in the assless chaps do that on the weekend in a club, but during the week they're probably your normal suit and tie* unsuspecting guys you'd never look twice at (except to check out).


*or whatever attire is appropriate for their jobs

You guys are way off topic.

[Choronzon]

How could I possibly say that without being plugged into the Gay Hivemind?

I would say they are an adequate representation of enough homosexuals, and that even homosexuals who aren't like that every day enjoy dressing up once a year.

But the numbers who are nothing but glitters and rainbows in their day to day lives are irrelevant, because the whole flaunting gayness thing is kind of the point of gay pride parades. But I forget that you're one of those people who just utterly fails to grasp the point of a marginalized group's pride movements, and just goes 'hur hur hur pride is always dumb this is my false egalitarianism."

You're saying being flamboyant is PART of being gay.

Nope.

But your inability to grasp what is being said is nothing new.

[Frisivisia]

If I had to represent myself having fun at a party, sure! I like people to know that I'm capable of having a good time and a sense of humour about myself (and it's probably better than the party pictures where I'm clearly wasted).

I mean, really? If you think that pride parades are representative of how anyone is all the time then you're an idiot. Sure, maybe the guys in the assless chaps do that on the weekend in a club, but during the week they're probably your normal suit and tie* unsuspecting guys you'd never look twice at (except to check out).


*or whatever attire is appropriate for their jobs

You guys are way off topic.

This is more fun than the topic.

[Des-Bal]

If I had to represent myself having fun at a party, sure! I like people to know that I'm capable of having a good time and a sense of humour about myself (and it's probably better than the party pictures where I'm clearly wasted).

I mean, really? If you think that pride parades are representative of how anyone is all the time then you're an idiot. Sure, maybe the guys in the assless chaps do that on the weekend in a club, but during the week they're probably your normal suit and tie* unsuspecting guys you'd never look twice at (except to check out).


*or whatever attire is appropriate for their jobs

Would you say you're confident in the intelligence of most people?

When you push the feather boa as the image of what gay people are you force people to believe that is what gay people are. When that's the image you popularize that's the image that shows up in popular depictions, that becomes the primary picture of the entire culture.

[United states of awsomeness]

You guys are way off topic.

This is more fun than the topic.

Then continue I'm not a mod.

[Des-Bal]

You guys are way off topic.

The topic is "escaping gay culture" we're discussing whether or not it's necessary to escape "gay culture." We are as on topic as this thread's ever been.

[Rawrckia]

The slippery slope doesn't wait for gay marriage to be legalized, there is already talk of "beastiality brothels" in Germany, possibility lowering age of consent in Britain/recognizing pedophilia as a sexual orientation in the U.S., etc.

Source?

Also, reforming British age of consent laws is totally reasonable. What's your problem with it? They're not legalizing child molestation.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/398218 ... -barrister

Turns out I was wrong about Germany - there were a number of "erotic zoos" in existence already and animals were being pimped out regularly. They're going to reinstate the law against beastiality within a decade I believe (it's been legal since 1969)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/2 ... 91677.html

[San Benedict e San Francesco]

If I had to represent myself having fun at a party, sure! I like people to know that I'm capable of having a good time and a sense of humour about myself (and it's probably better than the party pictures where I'm clearly wasted).

I mean, really? If you think that pride parades are representative of how anyone is all the time then you're an idiot. Sure, maybe the guys in the assless chaps do that on the weekend in a club, but during the week they're probably your normal suit and tie* unsuspecting guys you'd never look twice at (except to check out).


*or whatever attire is appropriate for their jobs

Would you say you're confident in the intelligence of most people?

When you push the feather boa as the image of what gay people are you force people to believe that is what gay people are. When that's the image you popularize that's the image that shows up in popular depictions, that becomes the primary picture of the entire culture.

I don't know about you, but most of my media exposure to gay characters has been the non-queer (heteronormative) variety.

Most of my real-life exposure has been about fifty-fifty.

So I'm not sure that the primary picture I have of a gay in my head is a tube-top, man-capris, and a pink feather boa, with the voice of Jasper from Family Guy.

Well, damn it, it is now. [/sarcasm]

[Anti Communismm]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/world/europe/thousands-march-in-france-against-gay-marriage.html?_r=0

http://rt.com/op-edge/france-gay-marriage-protest-853/

http://rt.com/news/france-protest-gay-marriage-755/

I don't think near 150.000 is regular crowd -

So please don't lie .

Sweetie, do not argue French politics with a Frenchman.

150,000 is perfectly regular.

It is in fact sort-of sub-par.

You underestimate the French will to protest.

Here, let me give you a list of "large protests". Source in case you want to claim I'm lying: http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/galeries-photos/social/20100908.OBS9567/les-10-plus-grandes-manifestations-en-france-depuis-15-ans.html

10- 1 May 2002: 1.3 million march in Paris against the candidacy of Jean-Marine Le Pen in the presidential elections.

9- 18 March 2008: 1.5 million against new employment contracts.

8- 3 June 2003: 1.5 million against retirement reform.

7- 24 June 2010: 2 million against retirement reform.

6- 13 May 2003: 2 million against retirement reform. (What a pattern )

5- 12 December 1995: 2.2 million against social security reform.

4- 29 January 2009: 2.5 million against the economic crisis.

3- 7 September 2010: 2.5 to 3 million against retirement reform.

2- 28 March 2006: 3 million against employment contracts.

1- 19 March 2009: 3 million against the economic crisis.

And that's just in the last 15 years.

Please, try again.

150.000 to 340.000 Is a good number and shouldn't be underestimated .

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/1.4-million-march-against-gay-marriage-in-france-police-tear-gas-crowd-chil/

[United states of awsomeness]

You guys are way off topic.

The topic is "escaping gay culture" we're discussing whether or not it's necessary to escape "gay culture." We are as on topic as this thread's ever been.

Okay, but not the post that I said was off topic.

[Occupied Deutschland]

If you had to pick an image to represent you to the entire world would it be of you in your halloween costume?

If I had to represent myself having fun at a party, sure! I like people to know that I'm capable of having a good time and have a sense of humour about myself (and it's probably better than the party pictures where I'm clearly wasted).

I mean, really? If you think that pride parades are representative of how anyone is all the time then you're an idiot. Sure, maybe the guys in the assless chaps do that on the weekend in a club, but during the week they're probably your normal suit and tie* unsuspecting guys you'd never look twice at (except to check out).


*or whatever attire is appropriate for their jobs

See, I think the thing of it is it's not just pride parades.

The high-pitched, assless chap and/or tutu wearing, gay male has become a cultural PHENOMENON. It's how gay men are presented in much media. It's how people who otherwise don't interact with gay people are introduced to gay people, via horribly inaccurate media portrayals.

Same goes for the flannel and baseball cap-wearing butch lesbian (hell, this one might be even MORE common).

Sure if you think that's how all gay people are you're an idiot, but well...There's a lot of idiots out there and the media has a lot of sway over their perceptions.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Would you say they're an adequate representation of most homosexuals?

How could I possibly say that without being plugged into the Gay Hivemind?

I would say they are an adequate representation of enough homosexuals, and that even homosexuals who aren't like that every day enjoy dressing up once a year.

But the numbers who are nothing but glitters and rainbows in their day to day lives are irrelevant, because the whole flaunting gayness thing is kind of the point of gay pride parades. But I forget that you're one of those people who just utterly fails to grasp the point of a marginalized group's pride movements, and just goes 'hur hur hur pride is always dumb this is my false egalitarianism."

I mean it's not like one of the huge fucking points of gay pride is to enable people to act like the campiest of campy gay men without being killed for it.

[Frisivisia]

If I had to represent myself having fun at a party, sure! I like people to know that I'm capable of having a good time and have a sense of humour about myself (and it's probably better than the party pictures where I'm clearly wasted).

I mean, really? If you think that pride parades are representative of how anyone is all the time then you're an idiot. Sure, maybe the guys in the assless chaps do that on the weekend in a club, but during the week they're probably your normal suit and tie* unsuspecting guys you'd never look twice at (except to check out).


*or whatever attire is appropriate for their jobs

See, I think the thing of it is it's not just pride parades.

The high-pitched, assless chap and/or tutu wearing, gay male has become a cultural PHENOMENON. It's how gay men are presented in much media. It's how people who otherwise don't interact with gay people are introduced to gay people, via horribly inaccurate media portrayals.

Same goes for the flannel and baseball cap-wearing butch lesbian (hell, this one might be even MORE common).

Sure if you think that's how all gay people are you're an idiot, but well...There's a lot of idiots out there and the media has a lot of sway over their perceptions.

Omigod, I, like, loooooove this post! It's so fabulous and sense-chic! Omigod, I need some pants to match!

[Bottle]

If I had to represent myself having fun at a party, sure! I like people to know that I'm capable of having a good time and a sense of humour about myself (and it's probably better than the party pictures where I'm clearly wasted).

I mean, really? If you think that pride parades are representative of how anyone is all the time then you're an idiot. Sure, maybe the guys in the assless chaps do that on the weekend in a club, but during the week they're probably your normal suit and tie* unsuspecting guys you'd never look twice at (except to check out).


*or whatever attire is appropriate for their jobs

Would you say you're confident in the intelligence of most people?

When you push the feather boa as the image of what gay people are you force people to believe that is what gay people are. When that's the image you popularize that's the image that shows up in popular depictions, that becomes the primary picture of the entire culture.

Except...no?

I mean, I literally cannot think of anybody who holds that as the "primary picture" of gay culture. Yes, people associate that with campy, stereotypical gay culture, but I seriously do not know a single solitary human being who thinks that actual gay culture is like that.

And I live in gay-o-sexual Boston. We have fucktons of gay clubs, queer parades, Pride festivals, and all manner of gay culture events. Hell, I am a 5 minute walk from what is arguably THE dyke coffee house this side of the Charles River. None of that has blinded anybody to what gay culture really is, any more than the club scene on Lansdowne has convinced everyone that heterosexual culture is about lycra pants and fluorescent tube tops.

[Dakini]

If I had to represent myself having fun at a party, sure! I like people to know that I'm capable of having a good time and a sense of humour about myself (and it's probably better than the party pictures where I'm clearly wasted).

I mean, really? If you think that pride parades are representative of how anyone is all the time then you're an idiot. Sure, maybe the guys in the assless chaps do that on the weekend in a club, but during the week they're probably your normal suit and tie* unsuspecting guys you'd never look twice at (except to check out).


*or whatever attire is appropriate for their jobs

Would you say you're confident in the intelligence of most people?

Nope. But to hell with them. Why would you let other people being stupid rain on your parade?

When you push the feather boa as the image of what gay people are you force people to believe that is what gay people are. When that's the image you popularize that's the image that shows up in popular depictions, that becomes the primary picture of the entire culture.

I'm not pushing the feather boa as the image of what gay people are. Some people like having feather boas around for parties. Some people like making themselves into giant peacocks with rainbow balloons for a tail. Some people just like removing as much clothing as they're legally allowed to and running around with some rainbow body paint. Some people think it's fun to sit on the sidelines wearing their every day clothes while waving rainbow flags. Whatever. It's all in good fun because it's a celebration.

A revolution without dancing and merriment is not worth having.

[The Steel Magnolia]

If I had to represent myself having fun at a party, sure! I like people to know that I'm capable of having a good time and have a sense of humour about myself (and it's probably better than the party pictures where I'm clearly wasted).

I mean, really? If you think that pride parades are representative of how anyone is all the time then you're an idiot. Sure, maybe the guys in the assless chaps do that on the weekend in a club, but during the week they're probably your normal suit and tie* unsuspecting guys you'd never look twice at (except to check out).


*or whatever attire is appropriate for their jobs

See, I think the thing of it is it's not just pride parades.

The high-pitched, assless chap and/or tutu wearing, gay male has become a cultural PHENOMENON. It's how gay men are presented in much media. It's how people who otherwise don't interact with gay people are introduced to gay people, via horribly inaccurate media portrayals.

Same goes for the flannel and baseball cap-wearing butch lesbian (hell, this one might be even MORE common).

Sure if you think that's how all gay people are you're an idiot, but well...There's a lot of idiots out there and the media has a lot of sway over their perceptions.

Which is a problem with the media and the idiots who believe that representation, not with people who wear assless chaps at pride.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Just like people who reject feminism because it has fem in the name, those who hate gays because they feel we're too flamboyant aren't worth courting.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

If I had to represent myself having fun at a party, sure! I like people to know that I'm capable of having a good time and have a sense of humour about myself (and it's probably better than the party pictures where I'm clearly wasted).

I mean, really? If you think that pride parades are representative of how anyone is all the time then you're an idiot. Sure, maybe the guys in the assless chaps do that on the weekend in a club, but during the week they're probably your normal suit and tie* unsuspecting guys you'd never look twice at (except to check out).


*or whatever attire is appropriate for their jobs

See, I think the thing of it is it's not just pride parades.

The high-pitched, assless chap and/or tutu wearing, gay male has become a cultural PHENOMENON. It's how gay men are presented in much media. It's how people who otherwise don't interact with gay people are introduced to gay people, via horribly inaccurate media portrayals.

Same goes for the flannel and baseball cap-wearing butch lesbian (hell, this one might be even MORE common).

Sure if you think that's how all gay people are you're an idiot, but well...There's a lot of idiots out there and the media has a lot of sway over their perceptions.

I'd say that stereotype is significantly less common than in the past, and is even considered outdated by most. And the idiots have ALWAYS taken a long time to catch up, and nothing has ever been accomplished by waiting for them.

[Frisivisia]

Would you say you're confident in the intelligence of most people?

When you push the feather boa as the image of what gay people are you force people to believe that is what gay people are. When that's the image you popularize that's the image that shows up in popular depictions, that becomes the primary picture of the entire culture.

Except...no?

I mean, I literally cannot think of anybody who holds that as the "primary picture" of gay culture. Yes, people associate that with campy, stereotypical gay culture, but I seriously do not know a single solitary human being who thinks that actual gay culture is like that.

And I live in gay-o-sexual Boston. We have fucktons of gay clubs, queer parades, Pride festivals, and all manner of gay culture events. Hell, I am a 5 minute walk from what is arguably THE dyke coffee house this side of the Charles River. None of that has blinded anybody to what gay culture really is, any more than the club scene on Lansdowne has convinced everyone that heterosexual culture is about lycra pants and fluorescent tube tops.

Boston gay clubs are wicked queeah.

[The Blaatschapen]

See, I think the thing of it is it's not just pride parades.

The high-pitched, assless chap and/or tutu wearing, gay male has become a cultural PHENOMENON. It's how gay men are presented in much media. It's how people who otherwise don't interact with gay people are introduced to gay people, via horribly inaccurate media portrayals.

Same goes for the flannel and baseball cap-wearing butch lesbian (hell, this one might be even MORE common).

Sure if you think that's how all gay people are you're an idiot, but well...There's a lot of idiots out there and the media has a lot of sway over their perceptions.

Omigod, I, like, loooooove this post! It's so fabulous and sense-chic! Omigod, I need some pants to match!

No, you don't need pants. That's the whole point

[Choronzon]

Would you say you're confident in the intelligence of most people?

When you push the feather boa as the image of what gay people are you force people to believe that is what gay people are. When that's the image you popularize that's the image that shows up in popular depictions, that becomes the primary picture of the entire culture.

Except...no?

I mean, I literally cannot think of anybody who holds that as the "primary picture" of gay culture.

I can, actually.

They're giant, unapologetic, raging homophobes however.

[Dalmacie]

150.000 to 340.000 Is a good number and shouldn't be underestimated .

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/1.4-million-march-against-gay-marriage-in-france-police-tear-gas-crowd-chil/

That's fantastic.

Which matters why?

You claimed it was large and significant, I proved otherwise.

You are now claiming that it is significant regardless, when it actually isn't.

400,000 is a, at best, average number to get for a protest in France.

Not to mention that the polls showed that the majority of the people still supported SSM regardless, and wanted the protests to stop.

Would you like a source? I am more than willing to provide them if you doubt my honesty again.

[Gauntleted Fist]

I would legitimately cosplay a character from one of my favorite game/anime every day for a year straight if it wouldn't get me fired/lynched.

Because costumes are fun!

Granted, I feel like part of the fun of costumes is that they're not something you wear every day.

Costumes actually are fun. Lots of fun.

[Rawrckia]

10- 1 May 2002: 1.3 million march in Paris against the candidacy of Jean-Marine Le Pen in the presidential elections.

Really? Huh. I thought Le Pen was pretty cool judging from her principles.

[Bottle]

Except...no?

I mean, I literally cannot think of anybody who holds that as the "primary picture" of gay culture. Yes, people associate that with campy, stereotypical gay culture, but I seriously do not know a single solitary human being who thinks that actual gay culture is like that.

And I live in gay-o-sexual Boston. We have fucktons of gay clubs, queer parades, Pride festivals, and all manner of gay culture events. Hell, I am a 5 minute walk from what is arguably THE dyke coffee house this side of the Charles River. None of that has blinded anybody to what gay culture really is, any more than the club scene on Lansdowne has convinced everyone that heterosexual culture is about lycra pants and fluorescent tube tops.

Boston gay clubs are wicked queeah.

I am profoundly bothered by the fact that I do not own a sparkly baby-doll shirt with this slogan on it.

[Frisivisia]

Boston gay clubs are wicked queeah.

I am profoundly bothered by the fact that I do not own a sparkly baby-doll shirt with this slogan on it.

I should sell those.