Sexism in video games.

[Gordonisia]

Soz, some dudes like asses, some dudes like feet and some dudes like dicks. I have a tits fetish (oh look, that rhymed)

Wow! I didn't know that women only mattered when men were looking at them!

Now you know.

[Grand Britannia]

*cough*Target Audience*cough*

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[Grand Britannia]

Well, most games aren't sexist, its usually only a few M games that are. Have you seen the tomb raider woman or the Halo 4 holographic woman?

I'd hardly say it's just "M" games. Might want to look at that video Dakini linked to.

The only female protagonist I've seen in a video game who isn't a sex object is Samus. And even she gets objectified pretty much as soon as her armor comes off---which, to be fair, isn't often.

Lightning Farron would like a word with you.

[Grand Britannia]

Actually, its because we have gone into a positive feedback loop.

Sexism(Sexy ladies in video games) causes more men to start playing video games. The Industry responds to the increased male gaming sector by adding for sexism.

How is it sexism? IT IS MARKETING. The game is supposed to be bought by teenage boys, and what is better for advetisment to teenage boys than TITS? Seriously, are you guys trying to find things to complain about?

^This.

Producers just go with the audience they want to target, really.

How is it sexism? IT IS MARKETING. The game is supposed to be bought by teenage boys, and what is better for advetisment to teenage boys than TITS? Seriously, are you guys trying to find things to complain about?

Well, to be fair, marketing can be sexist

Marketing is slavery.

[Grand Britannia]

I don't always approve of how some female characters in games are portrayed but its either
A) RPGs like skyrim where the women are just as strong as the men but their bodies are over sexualized
B) weak useless characters
C) Retarded characters who give women a bad name

So... what about the fact that most males in Skyrim are ultra buff and full of muscles. Aint that sexism?

No, they're men obv.

[Grand Britannia]

Male power fantasies are not the same as making women into sex objects.

Here's a comic to explain the difference.

Same logic then, not all men find this women attractive, and women might have a fantasy to look like this girls

Dunno, some men are into flat chested girls. All these "tits" may be unappealing to them.

[Grand Britannia]

I suddenly have to play Skyrim...

[Grand Britannia]

So hot women cant be consindered as idealization for females?

It isn't just about how hot something is or isn't. It's about whither a character is more than just looks, Appeals and stereotypes.

Looks sell on vidya games...

[Grand Britannia]

Not if you define "hot" to be tiny with giant tits. That's not in the powerful, competent, ass-kicking way.

Lets compromise, in Skyrim the ladies have giant tits, while still being able to brutally murder you. I think thats a good compromise.

I can think of plenty of ample chested ladies in video games who still kick ass.

[Grand Britannia]

I just think of boobs and everything else as human body parts, no big deal. :\

You sir, have no soul

Cold like a wall.

You sir, have no soul

I think the same way. Do I have no soul either?

No.

[Grand Britannia]

So do you think that Tekken is sexist?

Female characters:

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Oh yeah, look at that fanservice they gave me. Yeah, there is some stuff people would call sexist.

Is everything sexism now?

[Grand Britannia]

This is sexist because she wipes out an entire army alone.

With her spear. Did I mention she's fighting tanks and entrenched soldiers?

[Grand Britannia]

This is sexist because she wipes out an entire army alone.

With her spear. Did I mention she's fighting tanks and entrenched soldiers?

Granted the breast armor is blatant fan-service. Practical armor would dictate padding rather than showing off the breasts.

Not that I'm complaining, or anything. It's not the worst form of fan-service I've seen and it doesn't necessarily take away from the character.

Those are clothes, not armor...

It doesn't matter because tank shells just bounce off her aura.

This is sexist because she wipes out an entire army alone.

With her spear. Did I mention she's fighting tanks and entrenched soldiers?

OH MY GOD!!! You can totally see her arms. Seriously, what kind of sexist BS is this?

Really bad ass sexism.

[Grand Britannia]

Those are clothes, not armor...

It doesn't matter because tank shells just bounce off her aura.

And I wish I had an aura now.

That makes 2 of us.

[Grand Britannia]

No, it something attractive. To males it is the tits of the females, to women it is muscles and hairstyle. Same shit

No it fucking isn't. Being strong is not the same as being little and having big tits, especially when that strength comes from work.

....

Wait, can I see one of these games with ample chested little women?

[Grand Britannia]

No, really, can someone point me to one of these games?

Or am I the only one whom has played games with competent women? Well, except for Ashley in RE4...

[Grand Britannia]

No, really, can someone point me to one of these games?

Or am I the only one whom has played games with competent women? Well, except for Ashley in RE4...

I feel you.

Generally women are pretty competent in games that have a story, although sometimes character design is just... bad. Morrigan from Dragon Age: Origins is a great example. She's a witty, snarky companion who basically wears two thin strips of cloth to cover her breasts.

Really? They couldn't come up with something a bit better for a fearsome witch? Seriously?

I haven't gotten that far in Dragon Age, so when you said Morrigan I thought of this.

[Grand Britannia]

...And no one points me to such video game...

Well, then.

[Grand Britannia]

...And no one points me to such video game...

Well, then.

If you're looking for a game with an objectified view of women, look at Scarlet Blade.

If you're looking for a game with female characters but treating these characters as people rather than breasts with legs while still pandering to a male fanbase, look at Left 4 Dead.

So, if the female is competent and a good character, why are her clothes supposed to matter?

...when I was in high school, the people in junior high liked Britney Spears. I don't know current pop stars anymore.


....shaddup...

One Direction

To hell.

One can dream.

[Grand Britannia]

So, if the female is competent and a good character, why are her clothes supposed to matter?

When would you ever see a male character dressed similarly, except in pornography games?

Scarlet Blade itself almost toes the line for a pornography game.

Dunno, I wouldn't mind if they did as long as they're actually useful.

[Grand Britannia]

Κ'είπες να το κάψεις στο ΝΣ ε? ....το total war πιο εποικοδομητικό μου ακούγεται

Τα εχω σβησει τα ΤW. Θα επεζα EU3 αρα σπασαν το PU οι Σερβοι και νευριασα

I like pie.

[Grand Britannia]

14 pages in and no one has mentioned the Larry games?

It'd be like complaining about Rapelay or Custer's Revenge; we're talking about the broader video game industry and culture here.

Rapelay is just porn, its barely a game...

So, if the female is competent and a good character, why are her clothes supposed to matter?


To hell.

One can dream.

For some reason their fans think all of them write their own song, or that all of them are straight.

Or that they are talented.

[Grand Britannia]

So, if the female is competent and a good character, why are her clothes supposed to matter?

For the same reason costuming matters in any other situation. If you go see a production of Hamlet and the vast majority of the characters are wearing authentic Elizabethan dress, but Ophelia is wearing a barely-there bikini, fishnets, and heels, will that affect your perception of her character and her role in the story? Will that make you think, "This is an interesting and complex character" or "this character is basically just here to be eye candy"? Costume designers get paid because costumes communicate things. Why would that be any different in games?

And if, as a woman, it feels like the characters who you'd like to identify with are repeatedly sidelined as actual human beings and instead made to function as eye candy - when, in fact, you are forced to PLAY as eye candy if you get to play a woman at all - it gets exhausting, because the message you are being sent is "This is all you are. This is all you're good for. Now shut up and jiggle your boobs." Why on earth would that be a message I'd want from something I'm ostensibly doing for fun?

They are pretty, therefore it is bad because sexism and wimmiz can't be preteh in gamez!

Do you know what I like about characters? Their back story, you know, how the got to where they are now. I really couldn't care less what they are wearing.

[Grand Britannia]

Rapelay is just porn, its barely a game...

Or that they are talented.

Oh boy, a game named Rapeplay is just porn? What about Bonetown, or the meetnfuck games (which are GOLD mind you)?

I've played the meetnfuck games.

Their solutions for problems is just hilarious.

[Grand Britannia]

They are pretty, therefore it is bad because sexism and wimmiz can't be preteh in gamez!

Do you know what I like about characters? Their back story, you know, how the got to where they are now. I really couldn't care less what they are wearing.

If I made a game where all the women were naked (but all said characters had fleshed-out back-stories and personalities that explained everything EXCEPT why they were naked) and all the men were fully clothed, it's not sexist.

I have a gold mine displayed before me. Bwahahahahahahaha

Dunno, girls in Strike Witches don't wear pants because that interferes with their striker unit(which goes on their legs).

However, lack of clothing is more justifiable than no clothing.