Sexism in video games.

[Sommorragh]

I give up.

Look, at the end of the day, my question will remain this: is it really worth talking about a trend that is disappearing anyway?

Let me answer that question with a question. What do you think is the reason for it disappearing?

Point taken.

However, a large number of gamers are growing out of their teenage years and might enjoy more mature experiences. The tastes the market accommodates are changing.

[Edlichbury]

Just some examples of people denying sexism in this very thread:

How is it sexism? IT IS MARKETING.

Well, most games aren't sexist, its usually only a few M games that are.

And no, it is not sexist.

Seriously, are you guys trying to find things to complain about?

Sorry but, by calling it "sexism" you remind me of those lesbian vloggers or the other "politcally correct white knight" vloggers

Can you guys give me game explain with sexualised women (as with no personallity?)

Is everything sexism now?

And it's not even necessarily sexist or objectifying to have a character wear revealing outfits.

OH MY GOD!!! You can totally see her arms. Seriously, what kind of sexist BS is this?

Just snips from the first ten pages.

Can we please drop the pretense that everyone understands that sexism happens?

[Nailed to the Perch]

Sorcery.

I put on my robe and wizard hat.

I prefer putting on my twin daggers and face mask, personally. ROGUES 4 LIFE.

(Also, c'mon, rogues are way kinkier.)

[Edlichbury]

I put on my robe and wizard hat.

I prefer putting on my twin daggers and face mask, personally. ROGUES 4 LIFE.

(Also, c'mon, rogues are way kinkier.)

Please, Clerics are the best. You'll need me when you roll that Nat 1 on the disable device check.

[Gauntleted Fist]

I put on my robe and wizard hat.

I prefer putting on my twin daggers and face mask, personally. ROGUES 4 LIFE.

(Also, c'mon, rogues are way kinkier.)

Fuck rogues.

I play mostly clothies and they are my worst enemy in pvp.

[Aurora Novus]

Indeed. Just because something doesn't appeal to me doesn't make it wrong. Being wrong makes it wrong.

True.

Good thing there is nothing wrong with having virtual women who serve no purpose other than sex appeal. And from there, there's no problem with women who serve multiple purposes, along with sex appeal.

I mean, seriously, dude, if someone made a game entitled "Nazi Power: Arbeit Macht Frei" in which the goal of the game was to brutally murder as many Jewish children as possible while yelling, "HEIL HITLER LOLOLOLOL" the problem with that game would not be "it's not to my personal taste." It would be "that is fucking horrible." (It would ALSO not be to my personal taste, obviously, seeing as I'm not fucking horrible.)

There would be nothing immoral about that game. The actions you performed within could be considered immoral, but the game itself, as it causes no harm, is not immoral.

In the same way, my problem with misogyny in games

Having unrealistically sexy women is not "misogyny in gaming". Sounds to me like you're whining because you can't be unrealistically sexy.

is not "I don't personally enjoy it." There are lots of games I don't personally enjoy and in no way oppose - pretty much every football game bores me silly, for example. My problem with misogyny is that it's fucking horrible, and I'm sorry that I'm not going to waste my time crying for the poor, oppressed little sexists who just want to be able to see women as a collection of holes to stick a penis in without big ol' meanies like me telling them they're being douches.

In other words, you have no rational argument, outside of name calling and trying to force your subjective tastes upon everyone else.

Gotcha.

[Nailed to the Perch]

I prefer putting on my twin daggers and face mask, personally. ROGUES 4 LIFE.

(Also, c'mon, rogues are way kinkier.)

Please, Clerics are the best. You'll need me when you roll that Nat 1 on the disable device check.

That's nice, but I can't quite hear you over the sound of me STABBING THIS MONSTER IN THE BACK LIKE A BOSS.

[Choronzon]

Sounds to me like you're whining because you can't be unrealistically sexy.

I mean, really, doesn't this just sum up the caliber of this poster?

[Edlichbury]

Please, Clerics are the best. You'll need me when you roll that Nat 1 on the disable device check.

That's nice, but I can't quite hear you over the sound of me STABBING THIS MONSTER IN THE BACK LIKE A BOSS.

That's nice, but I can't hear you over the sound of me actually fighting undead. Call me back when your rogues can go toe-to-toe with undead.

(And seriously, what campaigns aren't go feature a significant number of enemies immune to sneak attacks? Every campaign needs a healer.)

[Ostroeuropa]

Just some examples of people denying sexism in this very thread:

How is it sexism? IT IS MARKETING.

Well, most games aren't sexist, its usually only a few M games that are.

And no, it is not sexist.

Seriously, are you guys trying to find things to complain about?

Sorry but, by calling it "sexism" you remind me of those lesbian vloggers or the other "politcally correct white knight" vloggers

Can you guys give me game explain with sexualised women (as with no personallity?)

Is everything sexism now?

And it's not even necessarily sexist or objectifying to have a character wear revealing outfits.

OH MY GOD!!! You can totally see her arms. Seriously, what kind of sexist BS is this?

Just snips from the first ten pages.

Can we please drop the pretense that everyone understands that sexism happens?

That isn't my claim.
I was VERY specific, and you have failed to address it.
Go back and read it again. Or I can do it for you.

Can you find me anyone who denies that the majority of main characters in media are white male heterosexuals?
Whether or not they think that fact is sexist is not relevant to my claim.
I don't get why people seem to be under the impression that you can say something, and they can just run with their own whacked out interpretation of what you said.
Actually address what's being posted, or don't bother.

[Warda]

I prefer putting on my twin daggers and face mask, personally. ROGUES 4 LIFE.

(Also, c'mon, rogues are way kinkier.)

Fuck rogues.

I play mostly clothies and they are my worst enemy in pvp.

pffftt I played real games were this is what my toon looks like when they die from me.

[Aurora Novus]

Sounds to me like you're whining because you can't be unrealistically sexy.

I mean, really, doesn't this just sum up the caliber of this poster?

I thought it would be obvious that would be more or less a sarcastic jab.

Her complaint is centered upon the fact that, apparently, having females who serve no purpose other than sex appeal, or at least, sex appeal, along with other purposes, is somehow "misogyny".

I suppose by the same logic, having characters in games who serve no purpose other than to be backdrops to the scenery, or provide you with items, should be considered some form of slavery and dehumanization. Ban NPC's!

It's idiotic.

[Nailed to the Perch]

Sounds to me like you're whining because you can't be unrealistically sexy.

I mean, really, doesn't this just sum up the caliber of this poster?

Yup. Although I couldn't quite decide if that or "a game glorifying the Holocaust wouldn't hurt anybody!" was the more amazingly moronic line.

[Aurora Novus]

I mean, really, doesn't this just sum up the caliber of this poster?

Yup. Although I couldn't quite decide if that or "a game glorifying the Holocaust wouldn't hurt anybody!" was the more amazingly moronic line.

Go ahead and explain how that game, in of itself, harms people.

I'll wait.

[The Emerald Legion]

That's nice, but I can't quite hear you over the sound of me STABBING THIS MONSTER IN THE BACK LIKE A BOSS.

That's nice, but I can't hear you over the sound of me actually fighting undead. Call me back when your rogues can go toe-to-toe with undead.

(And seriously, what campaigns aren't go feature a significant number of enemies immune to sneak attacks? Every campaign needs a healer.)

My last D&D campaign had no dedicated healer. I mean a couple of us could cast healing spells... but mostly we just obliterated everything by being a bunch of glass cannons.

[Dakini]

I prefer putting on my twin daggers and face mask, personally. ROGUES 4 LIFE.

(Also, c'mon, rogues are way kinkier.)

Please, Clerics are the best. You'll need me when you roll that Nat 1 on the disable device check.

I like my ranger.

[Ostroeuropa]

I mean, really, doesn't this just sum up the caliber of this poster?

Yup. Although I couldn't quite decide if that or "a game glorifying the Holocaust wouldn't hurt anybody!" was the more amazingly moronic line.

It doesn't hurt anybody. Such games exist. I've yet to hear reports of hospitalizations.
Know what I have heard of?
People playing them and laughing their ass off at the feeble propoganda.

[Sommorragh]

Yup. Although I couldn't quite decide if that or "a game glorifying the Holocaust wouldn't hurt anybody!" was the more amazingly moronic line.

Go ahead and explain how that game, in of itself, harms people.

I'll wait.

"It offends people" is probably what you'll get.

[Ifreann]

I put on my robe and wizard hat.

I prefer putting on my twin daggers and face mask, personally. ROGUES 4 LIFE.

(Also, c'mon, rogues are way kinkier.)

Rogues do it from behind.

[Edlichbury]

I mean, really, doesn't this just sum up the caliber of this poster?

I thought it would be obvious that would be more or less a sarcastic jab.

Her complaint is centered upon the fact that, apparently, having females who serve no purpose other than sex appeal, or at least, sex appeal, along with other purposes, is somehow "misogyny".

I suppose by the same logic, having characters in games who serve no purpose other than to be backdrops to the scenery, or provide you with items, should be considered some form of slavery and dehumanization. Ban NPC's!

It's idiotic.

Here's the difference: the effort to intentionally create a character that serves no purpose other than sex appeal is effort that could have made a character that serves the same role without the needless sex appeal. But unless you really don't play video games frequently, you'd understand that NPC's are pretty essential to give games realism. Most games would not function as well without them. But the vast majority games can function without relegating females to trophies, Macguffins, or eye candy.

[Choronzon]

I suppose by the same logic, having characters in games who serve no purpose other than to be backdrops to the scenery, or provide you with items, should be considered some form of slavery and dehumanization. Ban NPC's!

Holy fucking shit.

It's idiotic.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[Ostroeuropa]

I prefer putting on my twin daggers and face mask, personally. ROGUES 4 LIFE.

(Also, c'mon, rogues are way kinkier.)

Rogues do it from behind.

Grind baby grind...
Goddamn, i'm gonna listen to that song now.

You and me baby aint nothin but mammals so let's do it like a druid in the general channel...

Oh...wait.
You were all PRETENDING to be nerds.
Well, this is embarrassing.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Fuck rogues.

I play mostly clothies and they are my worst enemy in pvp.

pffftt I played real games were this is what my toon looks like when they die from me.

This is what real PvP looks like out in the open world.

Thousands of corpses and only a few of the best left standing.

[Dakini]

I mean, really, doesn't this just sum up the caliber of this poster?

I thought it would be obvious that would be more or less a sarcastic jab.

Really? It looked like a pretty classical ad hom to me.

[Warda]

Please, Clerics are the best. You'll need me when you roll that Nat 1 on the disable device check.

I like my ranger.

You don't get the satisfaction from a bow like you do from a cannon.