Sexism in video games.

[Neo Art]

I do have a feeling something is morally wrong with requesting money for "research" when all she's really doing is buying video games. Research my ass. She could go on YouTube and do just as much research with those "let's play" thingies.

It's "morally wrong" to say, explicitly, "Your support will go towards production costs, equipment, games and downloadable content," and then spend the money she receives on production costs, equipment, games, and downloadable content?

You have a rather unique definition of "morally wrong."

What's interesting about this is basically the absolute outrage at the suggestion she do her own research. People have actually suggested she just watch someone ELSE'S work.

We have a phrase for that. It's called plagiarism. Serious people tend to frown on it.

[Novislavia]

I do have a feeling something is morally wrong with requesting money for "research" when all she's really doing is buying video games. Research my ass. She could go on YouTube and do just as much research with those "let's play" thingies.

It's "morally wrong" to say, explicitly, "Your support will go towards production costs, equipment, games and downloadable content," and then spend the money she receives on production costs, equipment, games, and downloadable content?

You have a rather unique definition of "morally wrong."

Morality is relative, but still there's something icky about what she's doing. Again, she could get just as much information on these games from YouTube by watching, literally, hundreds of other people play rather than enjoying the games herself.

[Edlichbury]

It's "morally wrong" to say, explicitly, "Your support will go towards production costs, equipment, games and downloadable content," and then spend the money she receives on production costs, equipment, games, and downloadable content?

You have a rather unique definition of "morally wrong."

Morality is relative, but still there's something icky about what she's doing. Again, she could get just as much information on these games from YouTube by watching, literally, hundreds of other people play rather than enjoying the games herself.

So that the sexist commentators that grouped up to attack her can add "Never played the games, stole other people's work" to the long list of shit they complain about? How about no.

[Neo Art]

Nope. If you can't read the thread or be bothered to look around and see things that are right in front of your face then I'm not going to waste more of my time on you.

The fact that he hasn't made everyone else's ignore list is actually quite astonishing. I mean, perhaps to some its amusing or cute, but I got sick of his shit some time ago.

TJ was, for the longest time, the only person on my ignore list, because no matter how bad, how idiotic, how utterly bereft of integrity, honesty, and basic human dignity people appeared to be, I always believed that somehow, someday, they'd all have SOMETHING useful to say.

TJ was, in my entire history of NSG, the only person who I was utterly, completely convinced would never, ever, ever have anything useful to contribute. I don't like blocking people because I like to believe that someday they might say something worthwhile. It takes a lot, a LOT, to convince me that you're someone who is completely and totally useless in a conversation, beyond any redemption.

But some people like to push that belief.

[Dakini]

It's "morally wrong" to say, explicitly, "Your support will go towards production costs, equipment, games and downloadable content," and then spend the money she receives on production costs, equipment, games, and downloadable content?

You have a rather unique definition of "morally wrong."

Morality is relative, but still there's something icky about what she's doing. Again, she could get just as much information on these games from YouTube by watching, literally, hundreds of other people play rather than enjoying the games herself.

How do you figure that?

She's playing games spanning decades and isn't focusing just on major titles. What makes you think that all the games she wanted to discuss are featured on someone's youtube channel? What makes you think that they're featured on someone's youtube channel without extra commentary and intact cut scenes? What makes you think that it's okay to steal video clips from other people's youtube videos (and what makes you think they'll be reasonable quality)?

[Neo Art]

Morality is relative, but still there's something icky about what she's doing. Again, she could get just as much information on these games from YouTube by watching, literally, hundreds of other people play rather than enjoying the games herself.

So that the sexist commentators that grouped up to attack her can add "Never played the games, stole other people's work" to the long list of shit they complain about? How about no.

it absolutely reeks of intellectual desperation. Just look at it? We have gone from people claiming that she never REALLY bought it, she never REALLY did her own work, to complaining that she DID do her own work.

We've gone from one sexist commentator claiming that she's a liar and never bought it, to another complaining that she did.

But yeah, tell me how sexism is all over.

[Novislavia]

I do have a feeling something is morally wrong with requesting money for "research" when all she's really doing is buying video games. Research my ass. She could go on YouTube and do just as much research with those "let's play" thingies.

She's a media critic. Her job involves consuming media and critically analyzing it. She decided to release these for free online so everyone could have access to it and instead of finding a company to pay her, she asked the internet if they'd be interested (and they are). Also, she's got, like, an actual studio so you're not staring at her nose hair while she mumbles incoherently into a camera.

Eh. Fair enough. Still, I hold my opinion. Morality is relative. Blah blah blah.

I mean, it's a sweet gig, but considering how much people are willing to pay professional athletes for playing games this is pretty negligible.

Oh, I agree with you. It's terrible, but different.

[Nailed to the Perch]

It's "morally wrong" to say, explicitly, "Your support will go towards production costs, equipment, games and downloadable content," and then spend the money she receives on production costs, equipment, games, and downloadable content?

You have a rather unique definition of "morally wrong."

Morality is relative, but still there's something icky about what she's doing. Again, she could get just as much information on these games from YouTube by watching, literally, hundreds of other people play rather than enjoying the games herself.

Even disregarding the utter bizarreness of thinking it's "icky" to do your own research rather than just trying to copy what other people have already done, or the idea that it is somehow better to assume that random people's YouTube videos are a more thorough and fair representation of a game than the game itself, she was given $150,000 more than she asked for, all of which had to be spent on the project itself. Why on earth shouldn't she use that to purchase the media she was discussing?

[Ostroeuropa]

So that the sexist commentators that grouped up to attack her can add "Never played the games, stole other people's work" to the long list of shit they complain about? How about no.

it absolutely reeks of intellectual desperation. Just look at it? We have gone from people claiming that she never REALLY bought it, she never REALLY did her own work, to complaining that she DID do her own work.

We've gone from one sexist commentator claiming that she's a liar and never bought it, to another complaining that she did.

But yeah, tell me how sexism is all over.

Can you find where I claimed this, assuming you're talking about me.
Any quote will do.

[Dakini]

The fact that he hasn't made everyone else's ignore list is actually quite astonishing. I mean, perhaps to some its amusing or cute, but I got sick of his shit some time ago.

TJ was, for the longest time, the only person on my ignore list, because no matter how bad, how idiotic, how utterly bereft of integrity, honesty, and basic human dignity people appeared to be, I always believed that somehow, someday, they'd all have SOMETHING useful to say.

TJ was, in my entire history of NSG, the only person who I was utterly, completely convinced would never, ever, ever have anything useful to contribute. I don't like blocking people because I like to believe that someday they might say something worthwhile. It takes a lot, a LOT, to convince me that you're someone who is completely and totally useless in a conversation, beyond any redemption.

But some people like to push that belief.

I've blocked a few people... usually they end up getting deleted not long after because they actually trolling.

So far TJ is the only one who got ignored by me and not deleted.

[Gauntleted Fist]

It's "morally wrong" to say, explicitly, "Your support will go towards production costs, equipment, games and downloadable content," and then spend the money she receives on production costs, equipment, games, and downloadable content?

You have a rather unique definition of "morally wrong."

Morality is relative, but still there's something icky about what she's doing. Again, she could get just as much information on these games from YouTube by watching, literally, hundreds of other people play rather than enjoying the games herself.

You know, for some reason, the idea that someone who is going through hundreds of video games to identify sexism in video games and why it's wrong and explain how it's wrong and to document where, when, and how it happens is only doing it because they just want to get someone else to pay for their video game habit is pretty hilarious.

[Ostroeuropa]

Morality is relative, but still there's something icky about what she's doing. Again, she could get just as much information on these games from YouTube by watching, literally, hundreds of other people play rather than enjoying the games herself.

You know, for some reason, the idea that someone who is going through hundreds of video games to identify sexism in video games and why it's wrong and explain how it's wrong and to document where, when, and how it happens is only doing it because they just want to get someone else to pay for their video game habit is pretty hilarious.

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*quietly makes a new youtube account*

[Dakini]

She's a media critic. Her job involves consuming media and critically analyzing it. She decided to release these for free online so everyone could have access to it and instead of finding a company to pay her, she asked the internet if they'd be interested (and they are). Also, she's got, like, an actual studio so you're not staring at her nose hair while she mumbles incoherently into a camera.

Eh. Fair enough. Still, I hold my opinion. Morality is relative. Blah blah blah.

Really, she's probably under-charging for what she could do if she got an actual job doing this or if she charged for her individual videos.

I mean, it's a sweet gig, but considering how much people are willing to pay professional athletes for playing games this is pretty negligible.

Oh, I agree with you. It's terrible, but different.

Yes and no. It's terrible that professional athletes make more money than people who save lives or teach children or do research for a living.

This is nowhere near comparable because she's not making that much. If she's paying herself a salary (she's likely paying her camera person a salary so she might be paying herself too), with the amount of money she raised and the time it's probably going to take her, it's not like she's getting rich off this and it wouldn't surprise me if she's got other jobs on the side to get by.

[The Steel Magnolia]

"But it's not sexist. You can do those things to other people. Just not in the same situation at all or with the same sort of backstory and context."

????

Even if it were sexist, does it really matter? Are you really that sensitive that you can't handle it? If don't like it, you always have the option of not engaging in it.

Of course. sexism always matters, and must always be fought against until it is nonexistant.

[Dakini]

You know, for some reason, the idea that someone who is going through hundreds of video games to identify sexism in video games and why it's wrong and explain how it's wrong and to document where, when, and how it happens is only doing it because they just want to get someone else to pay for their video game habit is pretty hilarious.

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*quietly makes a new youtube account*

Considering your earlier comments about production value and editing, this might not be a worthwhile endeavor.

[Ostroeuropa]

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*quietly makes a new youtube account*

Considering your earlier comments about production value and editing, this might not be a worthwhile endeavor.

I'm actually pretty good at it. That's why it's simply lost it's appeal to me. It's sort of like knowing a few magic tricks and then watching someone else do them.
It's just different is all.

[Novislavia]

Morality is relative, but still there's something icky about what she's doing. Again, she could get just as much information on these games from YouTube by watching, literally, hundreds of other people play rather than enjoying the games herself.

You know, for some reason, the idea that someone who is going through hundreds of video games to identify sexism in video games and why it's wrong and explain how it's wrong and to document where, when, and how it happens is only doing it because they just want to get someone else to pay for their video game habit is pretty hilarious.

That's what I was thinking, but I didn't want to sound anymore like a douche than I could help. Especially since I hadn't watched any of her videos. As much as I'm pro-gender equality and such, it is true that if you try to say something that appears to oppose the feminist agenda you do seem to get labeled as a sexist pretty quickly.

Again, please note that I do support the feminism movement. I'm not a sexist, m'kay?

Also, I'm sorry if I haven't responded to anyone talking to me. I'm using my tablet and you guys are responding too fast.

[Sommorragh]

Even if it were sexist, does it really matter?

Obviously a thread about sexism in video games should have nothing to do with actual sexism in video games.

Are you really that sensitive that you can't handle it? If don't like it, you always have the option of not engaging in it.

For fuck's sake. Oh my fucking god did you not read any of my post?

I have literally thousands of hours of playtime and multiple max level characters on different servers. Holy fucking shit I play the FUCK out of Internet Lightsabers and Blasters. What in the ever-loving hell makes you think I'm too sensitive to handle it?

I give up.

Look, at the end of the day, my question will remain this: is it really worth talking about a trend that is disappearing anyway?

[Gauntleted Fist]

You know, for some reason, the idea that someone who is going through hundreds of video games to identify sexism in video games and why it's wrong and explain how it's wrong and to document where, when, and how it happens is only doing it because they just want to get someone else to pay for their video game habit is pretty hilarious.

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*quietly makes a new youtube account*

You can get Vegas Pro 12 for around $600 to start on your video editing career.

You'll probably want a nice media station that can encode extremely large videos relatively quickly. You'll probably need six or seven thousand dollars for that. You'll want high quality proprietary video capture software to ensure the quality of your capture is nice, so that's probably another couple hundred dollars. You might also want some audio editing software and high quality voice recording software. Also the hardware to go with it. That's probably another thousand dollars.

Might want to make sure you have a separate computer to do the actual gaming on with the capture software and a local network capable of extremely large file transfers. Maybe your own FTP server? Throw down ten grand for both of those easy.

Also buying the games themselves. Probably need a ton of evidence and documentation so budget yourself at least ten thousand for expenditure on games.

If you want high quality stuff you better be willing to throw down some serious cash. Might want to start a Kickstarter to fund your research campaign?

[Neo Art]

Obviously a thread about sexism in video games should have nothing to do with actual sexism in video games.



For fuck's sake. Oh my fucking god did you not read any of my post?

I have literally thousands of hours of playtime and multiple max level characters on different servers. Holy fucking shit I play the FUCK out of Internet Lightsabers and Blasters. What in the ever-loving hell makes you think I'm too sensitive to handle it?

I give up.

Look, at the end of the day, my question will remain this: is it really worth talking about a trend that is disappearing anyway?

Let me answer that question with a question. What do you think is the reason for it disappearing?

[Dakini]

Obviously a thread about sexism in video games should have nothing to do with actual sexism in video games.



For fuck's sake. Oh my fucking god did you not read any of my post?

I have literally thousands of hours of playtime and multiple max level characters on different servers. Holy fucking shit I play the FUCK out of Internet Lightsabers and Blasters. What in the ever-loving hell makes you think I'm too sensitive to handle it?

I give up.

Look, at the end of the day, my question will remain this: is it really worth talking about a trend that is disappearing anyway?

First of all that is not obviously the case. If it were, why would it not be worthwhile discussing why it doesn't go away faster?

[Choronzon]

I give up.

Look, at the end of the day, my question will remain this: is it really worth talking about a trend that is disappearing anyway?

Let me answer that question with a question. What do you think is the reason for it disappearing?

Sorcery.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Obviously a thread about sexism in video games should have nothing to do with actual sexism in video games.



For fuck's sake. Oh my fucking god did you not read any of my post?

I have literally thousands of hours of playtime and multiple max level characters on different servers. Holy fucking shit I play the FUCK out of Internet Lightsabers and Blasters. What in the ever-loving hell makes you think I'm too sensitive to handle it?

I give up.

Look, at the end of the day, my question will remain this: is it really worth talking about a trend that is disappearing anyway?

Until it's nothing but dust and bitter memories.

[Neo Art]

Let me answer that question with a question. What do you think is the reason for it disappearing?

Sorcery.

I put on my robe and wizard hat.

[Choronzon]

Sorcery.

I put on my robe and wizard hat.

Yes.