Sexism in video games.

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I also like how the puppets defending Alaje are somehow oblivious to the fact that he mistook women with female video game characters and acting as though these are one and the same. Or perhaps they don't consider this part of his fucking problem when it very clearly is.

This is especially ironic because earlier in the thread he was doing one of those "men in video games are typecast and unrealistic and not at all like most men" things. Yet for some reason, he thinks that video games accurately depict women (or at least this is suggested by the fact that he somehow can't tell women apart from video game "women").

I don't see how it would seem I think game females and real females are the same, when I've been saying "they're just games, calm you're tits" the whole time.

I was pointing out that sure some things about game characters annoy me too, but I don't scream "SEKSIZM SEKSIZM!!!!". Same goes for female characters, some of there designs are weird and gaudy, but its a game I can take it with a grain of salt. I'm not gonna die because a game.

Here's the thing. Humans are social creatures.

Yes, it's true, one video game character with hugely obnoxious tits (looking at you, soul calibur) or one male character with obnoxiously masculine hero arms and Rambo guns (looking at you, Duke Nukem, which I've never played) is pretty inconsequential. A blip even.

However, when combined with the prevalent repeated sexism of other games, books, movies, tv shows, sitcoms (looking at you, everybody loves Raymond), radio, internet articles...it starts to become socialized in your head as average, normal, acceptable, preferable even. This massive voluminous amount of sexism gradually corrupts others to create more of itself. It's a disease really.

It leads us to where we are now, that women are support not leaders. That men are perpetrators not victims. Why is this?

Because we've seen it a thousand times. It's normal.

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Here's the thing. Humans are social creatures.

Yes, it's true, one video game character with hugely obnoxious tits (looking at you, soul calibur) or one male character with obnoxiously masculine hero arms and Rambo guns (looking at you, Duke Nukem, which I've never played) is pretty inconsequential. A blip even.

However, when combined with the prevalent repeated sexism of other games, books, movies, tv shows, sitcoms (looking at you, everybody loves Raymond), radio, internet articles...it starts to become socialized in your head as average, normal, acceptable, preferable even. This massive voluminous amount of sexism gradually corrupts others to create more of itself. It's a disease really.

It leads us to where we are now, that women are support not leaders. That men are perpetrators not victims. Why is this?

Because we've seen it a thousand times. It's normal.

Someone would have to be an idiot to allow media to influence them that much, especially a videogames.

Heh. If you want to call 100% of the world with access to media idiots, I guess.

Then, of course, that just gives justification for the eventual extermination by aliens.

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See, I think there should be a game where armor's benefits are hitbox-based. There would have to be practical and impractical armor for both sexes, of course. And you could choose to make your female character wear bikini armor. But she would probably get disemboweled in ten seconds. Or you could wear the practical armor and survive.

"But I'm a mage and I stand at thirty meters and I shouldn't have to be practical all I do is read a book and drop extremely large rocks on people and GOD DAMN YOU TANK WHY ARE THINGS HITTING ME? And fuck you healer where were my heals, you piece of shit! HOW DARE YOU BOTH LET ME DIE? I'm your best dps! Let me drop big rocks on things so they don't kill you, or me! L2PLAY!!!"

You have obviously never played with bad DPS in MMOs.

I was the puller when I played Everquest, as a squishy enchanter.

My tank had to be very well selected.

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I was the puller when I played Everquest, as a squishy enchanter.

My tank had to be very well selected.

I played a Bard. What is this 'getting hit' thing you speak of?

You and your fucking speed song that made you faster than a locomotive, and fade which made everything forget you.

Some of us had the clickie boots, and we worked with it.

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You and your fucking speed song that made you faster than a locomotive, and fade which made everything forget you.

Some of us had the clickie boots, and we worked with it.

Selo's Accelerando was the fucking best. Oh my god people got so angry at you when you chained sand giants through their farming areas.

I had a bard train me with a bunch of shit one time while I was soloing.

Then she stood and watched as I patiently killed them all by charming them into each other one at a time while holding the rest in mez.

(I was in a top tier guild. My mana pool was deep. )

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I had a bard train me with a bunch of shit one time while I was soloing.

Then she stood and watched as I patiently killed them all by charming them into each other one at a time while holding the rest in mez.

(I was in a top tier guild. My mana pool was deep. )

"Thanks for killing that for me. I would have had to run through like five more zones to get to a town. Now I can go back to AE kiting eighty mobs."

Oh, go sing at a titty bar.

I soloed Woushi.

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So your problem isn't sexist games at all.
It's sexist character depictions.
Precisely what I was talking about earlier. This isn't a problem with games. It's a problem with White Heterosexual Males being the default character model.
However, since games are now moving toward character customizability, this is a problem that will be fixed in games long before it's fixed in books and tv.
So why are we bothering talking about it, when we can focus on books and tv?

Well sexist games are an issue too, but you're talking about depicting a sexist era, then it would be silly to have accurate representation of women as soldiers and rulers.

And the White Heterosexual Male isn't just the problem with the character default: it's all the characters, whether playable or not, that actually are women. Male characters, while often portrayed as what one could consider sexy, are not defined by their fuckability. They aren't wearing assless chap armor, you see? They don't have fucking absurdly huge dicks bulging in their pants. Their proportions are not nigh humanly impossible

First he describes me to a T, then claims that my proportions are "nigh humanly impossible".

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So. Would anyone like to share their opinions or thoughts on this?

Some video games, and their developers, are highly sexist. It's how the industry has been for decades now (mostly due to insular communities and no entry into the job market from women). Developers mostly are just nerdy guys who don't see anything wrong with how they design and implement women in their games. When you have working communities as insular as development studios then you don't really get any chance to implement changes in how women (or anyone, really, because there is some terrible racism in video games, too) are portrayed because the working community that does all of the design is uninterested in anything but how they view how things should be done.

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Yeah, it's a big problem. It is getting better, slowly.

This is actually pretty true. It's taking place very slowly, and one of the most surprising games that's coming out soon that seems to make no distinction between male and female is FFXIV. (Holy shit Japan is treating women like normal human beings? Er, well, catgirls! But at least it's progress.)

I mean you have terrible things like this:


But what's this?:

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So in your eyes it's getting better because both sides are beginning to get eye candy?

For a game from Japan? Good lord yes.

I suppose that's one way to make things equal. not sure if one could say that it is effective though.

I don't care if women characters are dressed sluttily. I do care it that's the only way they're allowed to dress and it's done for the purpose of attracting male players with eye candy.

Is there any peer reviewed studies I could read up on I wonder?

No idea.

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Bioware is a progressive exception to what is a predominately sexist and misogynistic field.

You're talking about the company that gleefully introduces new slave girl outfits and designed a female slave Twi'lek character companion to be used and abused for your amusement.

Also Isabela.

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Gamers?

Women?

Obviously mutually exclusive categories because the only place women belong is in the kitchen making sandwiches for us real nerds men, and they're not actually women they're females and and and

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No idea what you're talking about. I don't know if I've played the game in question.

Star Wars: The Old Republic.

In which you can literally shock (This is exclusively for one female character) and beat your companions causing them to cry. It's legitimately terrible.

Done by the same company that you advocate as 'progressive'. They're just a little less bad than most other development companies.

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In which you can literally shock (This is exclusively for one female character) and beat your companions causing them to cry.

wat. How did I miss this while playing it?

It's a Sith Pureblood and Sith Warrior thing.

You were originally supposed to be able to kill companions off in the game if you disliked them but they changed that because they didn't have enough time. So now you get this horrible thing where you can literally be a complete bastard to people and your companion that you're romancing will love you for it regardless. Not to mention in the Jedi Consular line if you're a male you can essentially take advantage of your young student in a vulnerable situation to romance her. Legitimately terrible.


Also this doesn't account for the shitshow that was ME 3 romances. Holy fuck.

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When playing as a Sith Fascist Fuck whose primary function is evil, yes, you can do so.

Would you prefer the Dark Side options be 'Give less than 10% of your income to charity' or 'Refuse to compliment companion's new outfit'?

No, I'd rather my dark side option be "Shoot the bitch out of the airlock in hyperspace."

Because that's actually the stupidly evil thing I expect from BioWare's morality choices. Not torturing a companion that reacts positively to said torture because lol BioWare.

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How on earth is that better?

It's better because it's the kind of evil that I expect from BioWare lol morality.

Have you actually played the game, or watched people play it, or do you get all of your information from Tumblr?

I don't know, you fucking tell me:

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I mean, that should certainly be an option during character creation if the character is customizable, but why enforce that all female characters should be deprived of boobs?

There's nothing wrong with boobs.

Make them look like children. Like in Disagea!

And then get called a paedo or a loli. There's no appeasing people.

See also: Tera.

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Make them look like children. Like in Disagea!

And then get called a paedo or a loli. There's no appeasing people.

There's only one logical nonsexist nonpedo conclusion.

We make all video game characters male. That'll fix it.

Make them all androgynous.

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It's better because it's the kind of evil that I expect from BioWare lol morality.

It's better because murder is the option you were expecting.

Also the option we were supposed to have, but, you know, budgets.

Images without context mean nothing, but assuming that is your playing record, you should fucking know how the affection system works and what shocking does.

"You know, I'm kinda starting to like it."

Unless you never used Vette. Also, you're talking about how awful Bioware is with this and you're supposedly playing a SUBSCRIBER account? Really? If I thought a company was that unabashedly misogynist and sexist, I'd sure as fuck not be giving them money every month.

No, I'm talking about how BioWare isn't this magical progressive company better than other developers. Learn to read my post, holy shit. Also I don't pay my subscription. A fellow raider does because they want me to raid with them and I would have quit ages ago if they didn't pay for me to play.

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So this entire temper tantrum is because you can't murder your companions at will.

Wow.

No. In fact you are so wrong that it's actually kind of humourous. You shoudl go back and read my post. It's pretty obvious that you haven't actually done so.

Having:

1. Never heard that quote in game.
2. Being unable to find any confirmation of that quote.
3. Uncertain if it's one of Vette's sarcastic comments (As she is full of them).

I'm going to call bullshit.

It is in fact one of her sarcastic comments. It's delivered some time after the "I never knew evil was so petty until after I met you." line in the 'I am an awful human being who kept the shock collar on her the entire time' conversations end.

Actually, if the other developers you get games from are all about stockholm syndrome/abused lovers being portrayed positively, I might re-examine the developers you get games from.

Wow. Try harder, next time. I'm sure somewhere in your strawman of my post and your pathetic excuse for not actually reading what I wrote, as if you had you would see it said nothing fucking like this (holy shit), you might actually understand what I'm saying if you go back and actually read my post.

That's the weakest excuse I've heard all day, and I spent this morning with a seven year old.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over how you never actually read my fucking post. Good job. Your misrepresentation and lack of reading comprehension is outstanding on this forum. No wonder you post here so much.

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Soul Calibur has already been mentioned in this thread, so let's stick with it as an especially obvious example.

This is an actual character in the game: http://i71.beon.ru/41/46/834641/94/8823 ... pt_01.jpeg

That character is so hot that the link you posted is forbidden.

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That's where all this started. That quote was the 'proof'. Your reaction here is the end.

Don't lie.

Bioware is a progressive exception to what is a predominately sexist and misogynistic field.

You're talking about the company that gleefully introduces new slave girl outfits and designed a female slave Twi'lek character companion to be used and abused for your amusement.

Also Isabela.

Obviously I am having a tantrum about how "BioWare is not the messiah of non-sexist gaming".

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Weird. Try this one. Or just google "Ivy Soul Calibur." She's a pretty great example of shitty character design in which "lol boobies" is prioritized above all else.

Holy shit.

Those...how can she even see?

She doesn't. That's why her sword is that weird chain-link thing. It just flies all around her in a sort of whirling blade-boob death machine to prevent her from having to actually do anything.

(Except when it's an actual sword in which case I have no idea.)

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That's the weakest excuse I've heard all day, and I spent this morning with a seven year old.

Its so hard to actually stand up for your principles. Bitching on the internet is way easier.

I am an MMO player. By definition part of the scum of humanity and lacking any will whatsoever.

Statistically speaking there is going to be an ex-hardcore MMO player elected to public office in my lifetime. That is literally terrifying to me.

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I am an MMO player. By definition part of the scum of humanity and lacking any will whatsoever.

Statistically speaking there is going to be an ex-hardcore MMO player elected to public office in my lifetime. That is literally terrifying to me.

With that, I'm announcing my candidacy for 2016.

Oh my god. It's starting.

(I'll vote for you, see also: lack of will.)