Sexism in video games.

[Frisivisia]

No, but the self-awareness does change the nature of the received message.

Yeah. It changes the received message from "We're sexist." to "We're sexist, and we think sexism is a joke."

I thought it was more along the lines of "look at how ludicrous sexism is", but whatever.

[Frisivisia]

Gameplay wise, you are literally a god in human form as well as the single most powerful person that ever lived.

[nitpick]No, Tiber Septim is the most powerful person that ever lived.[/nitpick]

My Morrowind Character is a nigh-invincible flying behemoth who can cross Tamriel in a second and kill anything in the world with one hit. Potion glitches sure are fun.

[Frisivisia]

A single thief with the luck of a Daedric being against the reincarnation of a literal god with the ability to summon the heroes of legend to fight in their time of need and a literal fucking dragon out of the sky to fight at their side?

I don't think you understand. The character, story-wise, is literally an overpowered godlike being gracing the planet with their presence to save it in its time of need after you've completed the main storyline. You kill mythic beast out of legend as a description of your day job.

Also, Alduin is Akatosh, so you literally kill a god during the game.

I thought Alduin was the Son of Akatosh.

[Frisivisia]

My Morrowind Character is a nigh-invincible flying behemoth who can cross Tamriel in a second and kill anything in the world with one hit. Potion glitches sure are fun.

But you aren't one of the nine eight divines.

Don't give a fuck. I'll sail up to Aetherius and kick their asses. Because Badass MacBadass the Badass doesn't give a fuck about your problems.

[Frisivisia]

I thought Alduin was the Son of Akatosh.

And Jesus is the son of Yahweh.

Talk about a shitty dad.

[Frisivisia]

Don't give a fuck. I'll sail up to Aetherius and kick their asses. Because Badass MacBadass the Badass doesn't give a fuck about your problems.

You'll still never kill Sheogorath. He'll just teleport you so high above the ground that even you power won't save you from the fall damage.

You must be a Skyrim-only heathen who's never heard of Feather. For shame.

[Frisivisia]

You must be a Skyrim-only heathen who's never heard of Feather. For shame.

1. This is a Shivering Isles reference.

2. The "Levitation Act of 421" makes flying and similar actions illegal and somehow retroactively impossible.

1. I know.

2. I died in the year 420 due to a YOLO$wgg blaze it 4 jesus kush love smoke weed every day overdose.

[Frisivisia]

Still a god of destruction iirc. And I thought you don't permanently kill him? Wouldn't that disrupt fate or something?

Actually, that should be the next game. Fate is messed up, so you have to go fix it.

Personally, I think the next game will be the Thalmor trying to undo creation by destroying Adamantine Tower. It's obvious from the meta plot clues that have been hinted at since Daggerfall.

Plus, Summerset Isles is an interesting, unexplored, and largely unexplained place. With newer generation graphics, it should be a hell of a game.

[Frisivisia]

Plus, Summerset Isles is an interesting, unexplored, and largely unexplained place. With newer generation graphics, it should be a hell of a game.

Adamantine Tower is in High Rock, actually.

Shit, fuck, it's been a while for me and the Elder Scrolls. I knew that, but I got thrown off. Fuck.

[Frisivisia]

Kirkbride is one of those people who straddle the line between genius and nutter.

Genius and madness are two sides of the same coin, and all the greatest artists in history had plenty of both. Kubrik was utterly psychotic and nearly killed his actors.

Shit, fuck, it's been a while for me and the Elder Scrolls. I knew that, but I got thrown off. Fuck.

Honestly, I wish we'd go to the Summerset Isles. I've always wanted to see them. It makes me rather sad that we probably won't.

Yeah, although a non-procedurally-generated High Rock would be cool too. I'd be interested in a traditional-ish fantasy setting.

[Frisivisia]

Yeah, although a non-procedurally-generated High Rock would be cool too. I'd be interested in a traditional-ish fantasy setting.

Part of the charm of TES is its bizarre, alien elements. That's why I'm still so nostalgic for Morrowind even though the gameplay is utter ass in retrospect.

The melee combat is a chore and magic is unwieldy, but Morrowind has a lot of story and atmosphere to it.

[Frisivisia]

Its all well and good that Bethesda isn't sexist. Now that they've achieved their goal of being progressive, they should focus on making games that aren't embarrassingly buggy and mind meltingly boring.

If you want to be an unbeliever, that's cool. I'll be playing Oblivion for the 7 or 8 billionth time.

[Frisivisia]

I knew somewhere in my search for examples I'd mess up a detail somewhere.

Also, Skyrim really hates the idea of the Dragonborn ever being saved. The only time where it is absolutely necessary is at the very beginning and every other example is pretty disputable.

Honestly, even then, the only real part of anyone else helping you is when your binds are cut. You do everything else yourself. When you get to Riverwood, both guys even admit that you saved them far more than they saved you.

Then I rob their houses and kill their family before proceeding to take credit for all of their deeds to the Jarl of their home hold.

[Frisivisia]

Because obviously civil rights are on the same level as women with giant tits in video games.

So the guy I was responding to can be dismissive about what we're talking about, but god forbid I poke fun at his apathy.

I don't care.

[Frisivisia]

If you want to be an unbeliever, that's cool. I'll be playing Oblivion for the 7 or 8 billionth time.

*cough*arena*cough* For the amount of crap in those games they work pretty well, and with community mods you can fix just about anything.

Arena is a borderline unplayable buggy mess, to be honest.

[Frisivisia]

You, dress like a stripper.

Shush...you'll expose my secret.

That's not all he's exposing.

[Frisivisia]

Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars's message was that I need to sell a lot of heroin so I can afford a Hummer.

If we're talking about bad messages, then Zelda is the worst offender of them all. That game teaches you that people are completely fine with you breaking into their houses and smashing all their pottery. You could even find money in them.

It does provide a rather valuable anti bird killing moral.

[Galloism]

Why can they not just make flat-chested girls?

I mean, that should certainly be an option during character creation if the character is customizable, but why enforce that all female characters should be deprived of boobs?

There's nothing wrong with boobs.

[Galloism]

I mean, that should certainly be an option during character creation if the character is customizable, but why enforce that all female characters should be deprived of boobs?

There's nothing wrong with boobs.

Make them look like children. Like in Disagea!

And then get called a paedo or a loli. There's no appeasing people.

There's only one logical nonsexist nonpedo conclusion.

We make all video game characters male. That'll fix it.

[Galloism]

There's only one logical nonsexist nonpedo conclusion.

We make all video game characters male. That'll fix it.

Make them all androgynous.

Certainly would make for amusing romance options e.g. Dragon Age and Mass Effect.

[Galloism]

I mean, that should certainly be an option during character creation if the character is customizable, but why enforce that all female characters should be deprived of boobs?

There's nothing wrong with boobs.

Personally, I'd love to see a variety of body types - but if it's too hard for game developers to manage that, I do think the "default" body type should look like a body that occurs in nature, and, ideally, like a body type reasonably well suited for doing whatever it is the character does. I'm not even saying "no skinny women with big knockers" - as a skinny woman with big knockers, I can hardly deny that body type exists. But maybe make the big knockers D cups rather than M cups if she has a 24-inch waist, and maybe have her put them in a freaking sports bra and some practical armor while fighting monsters rather than having her go, "Tee-hee! Getting black eyes from my own bizarrely perky mostly-naked chest-melons is so fun! Did I mention they're larger than my head? How am I even walking upright? Tee-hee!'

We can get you a little cart to put your boobs in when you walk.

Maybe it's just me, but I find nothing wrong with a perfectly normal looking female character in functional chain mail. Visible cleavage would be ill advised in a battle against an Orc or a dragon after all.

[Galloism]

Make them look like children. Like in Disagea!

And then get called a paedo or a loli. There's no appeasing people.

...or you could just make them look like PEOPLE, with the normal variation in body types that occurs in actual human beings. It's crazy, but it just might work.

Have you lost your goddamned mind?

Chaos, anarchy, and nuclear winter lie that direction.

[Galloism]

The link is broken/forbidden.

Weird. Try this one. Or just google "Ivy Soul Calibur." She's a pretty great example of shitty character design in which "lol boobies" is prioritized above all else.

Sad part is she's not even attractive. She just looks weird/scary.

[Galloism]

Its so hard to actually stand up for your principles. Bitching on the internet is way easier.

I am an MMO player. By definition part of the scum of humanity and lacking any will whatsoever.

Statistically speaking there is going to be an ex-hardcore MMO player elected to public office in my lifetime. That is literally terrifying to me.

With that, I'm announcing my candidacy for 2016.

[Galloism]

I get that. I'm just saying that Skyrim isn't exactly a good example of gender equality.

I will say that most feminist activist do need to look at newer games to compare and on a broader spectrum too. The video that Dakini linked showed games that are made pre-2010. It made good points, it just seems outdated to me. Considering newer games like Bioshock Infinite would make it more relevant to modern times.

Have video games and the culture around them really changed so much in the last three years?

It's a different world. EA has fallen, felled in an epic war between them and bioware. It concluded with a duel between John Riccitiello and Dr. Ray Muzyka. In a surprise merger, the minds and bodies of the two merged, resulting in a single CEO.

While John Riccitiello is the name they go by, Ray has the greater influence.

Thus, although it appeared EA bought bioware, it was actually a takeover of EA by Bioware. The hand controls the puppet.

That's why there's no more sexism in games.