Sexism in video games.

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Just like how Nigger is short for Nigerian.

Right?

No, not the same. Seriously guys, do you think that puppies are offensive? What about washing your hands?

Seems the same to me.

Jap was used offensively during WWII by Americans when fighting the Japanese.

Nigger was used offensively during the 1800s and 1900s by whites referring to black slaves.

Not seeing the discrepancy here.

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All companies are driven by profit. If you're running a game studio not driven by profit then it would be non-profit and only accept donations.

Good luck getting that off the ground.

They don't survive if they try to go too far in the innovation and not enough into the profits.

But not innovating whatsoever also kills a lot of gaming companies. Only a select few can get away with the CALL OF DOODY 18: SHIT OPS 2 formula. Namely, the eponymous series and most sports games (due to the nature of sports).

If innovation didn't bring profit, we'd still be playing Pong.

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They are pretty, therefore it is bad because sexism and wimmiz can't be preteh in gamez!

Do you know what I like about characters? Their back story, you know, how the got to where they are now. I really couldn't care less what they are wearing.

If I made a game where all the women were naked (but all said characters had fleshed-out back-stories and personalities that explained everything EXCEPT why they were naked) and all the men were fully clothed, it's not sexist.

I have a gold mine displayed before me. Bwahahahahahahaha

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But not innovating whatsoever also kills a lot of gaming companies. Only a select few can get away with the CALL OF DOODY 18: SHIT OPS 2 formula. Namely, the eponymous series and most sports games (due to the nature of sports).

If innovation didn't bring profit, we'd still be playing Pong.

Are you suggesting independent breast physics are not innovative?

Of course they're innovative. Why else would Dead or Alive sell so many copies?

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Of course they're innovative. Why else would Dead or Alive sell so many copies?

Ah, fair point sir.

So now the solution is simple. Video game companies need to make games based on 'Total Recall' so they have another breast with which to innovate.

As we all know, three breasts better than two.

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I bet you don't even see race, too! Gosh, it's amazing how much more enlightened you are than I.

Make all the heroes black and all the villains Asian.

Totally not racist as long as their back-stories are well fleshed-out.

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Make all the heroes black and all the villains Asian.

Totally not racist as long as their back-stories are well fleshed-out.

Asian is a race now?

So... war games where Murikans kill Ruskies are racist? The war is the backstory....

American is not a race, unless you mean white American. I'm pretty sure the last time I saw any of the Call of Duty games they had some black and Asian people in there.

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Make all the heroes black and all the villains Asian.

Totally not racist as long as their back-stories are well fleshed-out.

Why would it be racist in the first place?

Too much to ask that you make one villain who's a different race from the others? Can't one of the villains be black or white or Arab or Hispanic and still have a good back-story? No?

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American is not a race, unless you mean white American. I'm pretty sure the last time I saw any of the Call of Duty games they had some black and Asian people in there.

A war bewteen Greece and Ethiopia starts and Black people kill white people (well, tanned but whatever). Is it racist?

Provided that you could justify all the Greeks being white, I suppose not. I didn't know that nations were all composed of one race all of a sudden.

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Provided that you could justify all the Greeks being white, I suppose not. I didn't know that nations were all composed of one race all of a sudden.

Nationstates... it is a thing, not just a site.

I have relatives who live in Greece. Surely they did not spontaneously become white upon moving there?

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I have relatives who live in Greece. Surely they did not spontaneously become white upon moving there?

They certainly did not become Greeks just because they moved there either

But if your hypothetical game was about a bunch of Ethiopians slaughtering the Greeks (and vise-versa), surely some non-Greeks living in Greece would be caught in the crossfire or choose to join the Greek side?

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But if your hypothetical game was about a bunch of Ethiopians slaughtering the Greeks (and vise-versa), surely some non-Greeks living in Greece would be caught in the crossfire or choose to join the Greek side?

Ok, a counter example, a bunch of Germans get into a war with Slavs and start killing each other. Is it racist becuase you play as the Slavs who kill Germans? And lol, your problem isnt that people kill people but because a black guy doesnt die on the opposite side while we are at it?

My problem is that games that portray everyone as being one race or another are just being lazy with character model design and can't be arsed to include a few variations. Not everyone in Greece is white.

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My problem is that games that portray everyone as being one race or another are just being lazy with character model design and can't be arsed to include a few variations. Not everyone in Greece is white.

Not everyone living in Germany is white either but Germans are white

So now the entire German army will be white? Seriously?

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The specific squad will be white. And the point is Germans killing slavs... in a war.. they are both white

The specific squad will be white out of pure laziness that the designer couldn't come up with a few variations in skin texture for the character models.

Also, I didn't know that the Germans would fight a war in this day and age solely based on race.

I'd better go tell the US to only have the whities fighting abroad. Leave all the minorities at home.

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So now the entire German army will be white? Seriously?

Drako as any decent nationalist seperates "nations" from "states", thus according to him a Polish person that was born in Germany is a German citizen, but a Polish national.
Actually, most Europeans think that way.

I don't really get it.

So a Filipino born in America is an American citizen but a Filipino national?

But I don't even like my own culture. What the fuck kind of labeling is this? o.o

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Alternate reality.

It's a thing in fiction.

Well, that's great when it has plot relevance. Having an all-white US military because racism was never overcome is all well and good.

Having an all-white US military because the graphics designer couldn't be bothered to add some skin tones is pretty lazy.

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How often do you hear about mothers going to war? They said that for convenience. Not to be sexist. And I think you think that if both sexes aren't treated the exact same, you consider them sexist. This is not so. Men and women are built differently, and have varying needs physically and mentally. For example I would say women make great doctors and nurses during wartime, because they can handle guts better than a man can.

Please source this bullshit.

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Well, that's great when it has plot relevance. Having an all-white US military because racism was never overcome is all well and good.

Having an all-white US military because the graphics designer couldn't be bothered to add some skin tones is pretty lazy.

Don't think we ever said something about design laziness. However, someone devising an alternate reality that has nations maintaining a "racial purity" would be interesting to see.

I'm pointing this out because oftentimes racism and sexism in itself comes from designer laziness. If I can't be arsed to figure out a way to make a female character attractive or display her personality besides slapping giant tits and ass on her in a skimpy outfit, surely I'm not using my brain that hard.

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Sexism needs to exist so that gender roles dont dissapear

Gender roles need to disappear. If a woman wants to have a job and the man wants to raise the kid that's none of society's damn business, nor is it right for society to judge them because they don't adhere to the traditional gender role.

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Sexism needs to exist so that gender roles dont dissapear

Conglaturations, that is literally the stupidest thing I have ever read.

More stupid than intentionally misspelling "Conglaturations"?

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More stupid than intentionally misspelling "Conglaturations"?

It's a video game reference, right on topic.

That victory screen still gives me nightmares.

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Some games aren't as bad. Some games celebrate women for their bravery or courage. Like Red Dead Redemption has some horrible depictions of prostitutes and other women that are always in need of help. The only woman in the game depicted well is Bonnie, who is depicted as capable of holding herself and respecting herself at the same time.

And they chose to name her Bonnie....

I don't get what you're trying to say here.

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Silly would be expecting Alaje to take women seriously in any way shape or form.

Shall I bring out the popcorn or do you think he'll ignore that comment?

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Silly would be expecting Alaje to take women seriously in any way shape or form.

Well, you have to admit that the way tits bounce is quite humorous, and they're fun to play with.

I knew their was a reason I always found breast physic implementation in games fascinating.

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Shall I bring out the popcorn or do you think he'll ignore that comment?

I'm a woman so I'm not expecting him to take me seriously.

Ah, I see. That's rather disappointing.