Sexism in video games.

[Zweite Alaje]

That woman is an idiot.

"That woman makes me think about the sexism in media I consume and that's upsetting, so I'm going to get angry at her" -- How everyone else reads this.

Makes us think about how utterly unimportant it is.

[Zweite Alaje]

Maybe because the amount of useless female characters is overshadowed by the useful ones.

At least I struggle to find them.

Really? I mean, I mostly play Portal and Minecrft, but let's make a list. Everyone can list any female roles they can think of and classify them as sexist or non-sexist. I'll start off with a few non-sexist ones. Let's see: Chell from Portal, Alyx Vance, Samus, and what was that person's name from Fallout 3 again?

Talim, Seong-Mina, and Hilda from Soul series

Xiaoyu, Zafina, Julia from Tekken.

Lieselotte, Saki, and Weiß from Arcana Hearts series.

I can go on and on, there are plenty of female characters that don't meet the pornstar body-stripper outfit motif.

[Zweite Alaje]

Ok and "I'm a wimmiz"

Certainly they are in a better position, because as the people who actually have to deal with institutionalized on a daily basis they're more inclined to see it.

or "I'm a liberul" makes you people authorities on what is sexist, amirite?

Yes, you are.

Also, I'm not a male.

Since when?

Perceived sexism in a game is about the most harmless thing one can blow out of proportion. I get it yes, alot of the characterizations are caricatures, yay. It's a game enjoy what matters the gameplay and the graphics.

For a while now....perhaps always?

[Zweite Alaje]

Perceived sexism in a game is about the most harmless thing one can blow out of proportion.

You keep saying that, but have yet to really demonstrate that point beyond putting your fingers in your hears and going "NU UH! NU UH! NU UH!"

For a while now....perhaps always?

I notice your demographic shifts whenever it suits your purpose.

Just an observation.

How? Why does a game matter so much? These aren't real people. All we have is a bunch of people yelling "STAHP HAVIN FUN DAT'S SEKSIST!!!1!1"

No, not at all. I haven't claimed to be exclusively one gender since about the beginning of the year.

[Zweite Alaje]

How? Why does a game matter so much? These aren't real people. All we have is a bunch of people yelling "STAHP HAVIN FUN DAT'S SEKSIST!!!1!1"

Because media influences society.

Not really. When's the last time you saw someone try to use Curaga on a person that's been shot?

[Zweite Alaje]

How? Why does a game matter so much? These aren't real people. All we have is a bunch of people yelling "STAHP HAVIN FUN DAT'S SEKSIST!!!1!1"

No, not at all. I haven't claimed to be exclusively one gender since about the beginning of the year.

We've argued that women should not be forced into only being valued for sex appeal or as a trophy. That's it. No one here has said "DESTROY ALL VIDEO GAMES EVER!"

But of course, I guess attacking a completely imagined position would be easier for you.

Most gamers don't play games or pick certain characters on their looks, their gameplay is usually more important. Besides, a game isn't that influential on people's outlook. I don't remember ever hearing anyone change their mind on something because of a game character that happens to be dressed in a revealing fashion. Hell, I'm a fucking prude by ideology and I'm not offended by this stuff. If I'm not imploding from seeing a bit of fanservice why the hell are a bunch of feminist liberals?

[Zweite Alaje]

Not really. When's the last time you saw someone try to use Curaga on a person that's been shot?

"Hurr, GTA didn't make me rob cars, so game don't do anything!"
TEENAGE LIBERTARIAN STRIKEFORCE ARE GO!

I'm not a teen, nor am I libertarian.

Explain how a game effects society in any meaningful manner.

[Zweite Alaje]

Most gamers don't play games or pick certain characters on their looks, their gameplay is usually more important. Besides, a game isn't that influential on people's outlook. I don't remember ever hearing anyone change their mind on something because of a game character that happens to be dressed in a revealing fashion. Hell, I'm a fucking prude by ideology and I'm not offended by this stuff. If I'm not imploding from seeing a bit of fanservice why the hell are a bunch of feminist liberals?

Because like all the women are being dressed up that way. I could care less about the skimpy outfits. It becomes a problem when virtually every game has them in great abundance. It's sabotaging agency and promotes the idea that women are sex objects, not sexual beings.

Sexual beings, sex object samething. Liberals wanted there sexualization of society, they got it.

I personally couldn't careless what a character wears as long as it isn't outright ugly. I mean sure, alot of the females are dressed unrealistically, but I mean so fucking what. I'm sure people would then complain about it if all characters wore completely realistic outfits too. It'd be boring for one, no imagination (not saying revealing = imaginative).

[Zweite Alaje]

So Alaje is just going to ignore the links to examples of real life being affected by the media? Wonderful, here I thought a modicum of intellectual honesty might be followed.

Nothing you linked proves anything, that not really influencing soceity's perceptions of things more like some obsessed fans bringing a fictional object into ecosyence. It'sore a fad instead of a long lasting civilization changing effect.

[Zweite Alaje]

Nothing you linked proves anything, that not really influencing soceity's perceptions of things more like some obsessed fans bringing a fictional object into ecosyence. It'sore a fad instead of a long lasting civilization changing effect.

Didn't read em or didn't understand.

You pick.

I'm a troper, I've already read those.

Nothing you linked proves anything, that not really influencing soceity's perceptions of things more like some obsessed fans bringing a fictional object into ecosyence. It'sore a fad instead of a long lasting civilization changing effect.

So you're admitting to being intellectually dishonest, as you asked for examples for fiction affecting real life then dismissed them.


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Yeah, notice how I said meaningful effect. A fucking stapler and some beer isn't meaningful, it's a fad item.

[Zweite Alaje]

My university is the epicentre of Canada's MRA movement, I think, so I've become uncomfortably familiar with the bloody thing.

That's a big magnetic resonance The "you're infringing on my right to boss you around because you're a woman" movement?

Yeah, notice how I said meaningful effect. A fucking stapler and some beer isn't meaningful, it's a fad item.

Like I said before:

A game, or any other form of media for that matter, has the power to implicitly or explicitly enforce 'x' values due to media itself being a mere reflection of the society that makes it.

Think less about explicit actions of imitation, and more on belief systems that tend to ratify certain actions and attitudes.

I've yet to be shown how videogames have ever spawned an philosophical movement or shift in mentality.

[Zweite Alaje]

I've yet to be shown how videogames have ever spawned an philosophical movement or shift in mentality.

Because it doesn't. If all that's been said is correct, it only reinforces beliefs, thoughts, and gender roles prevalent in contemporary society. And odds are those have been around to a greater or lesser extent ever since prehistoric egalitarian societies developed into civilizations that had time for people to stop and think about these things...and invent these beliefs.

Ok, if it reflects society as a whole what's the matter? Our culture is hypersexualized like the liberals want. Instead of dealing with it in RL, people want to target games...wow so smart.

[Zweite Alaje]

We're not talking about one singular portrayal of women being rescued in video games and then saying that all video games are sexist. What is being said is that it's incredibly prevalent across literally hundreds of video games where women are damsels in distress needing to be rescued by men. There's a huge difference.

As I keep pointing out, this is probably because of the White Male Heterosexual as a go-to hero.
If we break that, we'll see the damsel in distress thing play out more evenly.

I don't even see why that even matters, if it doesn't effect the gameplay how gives a shit whether the hero is some white guy or a woman.

[Zweite Alaje]

I don't even see why that even matters, if it doesn't effect the gameplay how gives a shit whether the hero is some white guy or a woman.

...a large number of people in this very thread, for starters?

Seriously, how do you post "who gives a shit about this?" on the seventy-fourth page of a thread full of people giving a shit without making your own brain hurt?

All this thread points out is just how butthurt people can get over something that doesn't even matter.

[Zweite Alaje]

Uh, right. FYI, I play almost exclusively with females characters in games I play.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that you don't take women seriously in any shape or form.

You know. Women. The real people your preferred characters represent in the most shallow ways possible.

From my experience their characterizations are much more interesting than thàt of male ones. If anything the male characters need work, the old macho routine is cheesy.

Yes, because "I have an H-cup and no bra, look at me bounce! This doesn't hurt my back at all! *tee hee* Look at my hilariously inadequate armour! Oh, my hair got messed up when I did that, how terrible!" isn't cheesy. Not at all.

How don't I take women seriously? Just because I don't pander to the few that bitch every waking moment about how everything in the universe is sexist, raping them, or oppressing them?

Most of the characters I use don't even have large breasts, nice try. Even if they did, it wouldn't matter, it's a game not RL.

[Zweite Alaje]

How don't I take women seriously? Just because I don't pander to the few that bitch every waking moment about how everything in the universe is sexist, raping them, or oppressing them?

I love it when you answer your own questions. That's just priceless.

Uh, no. You see, you're dodging my question. Instead of saying "hurr durr, you hate wimmiz cuz u don't think erything iz sexist", explain what supposedly makes me a womanhater?

[Zweite Alaje]

Which has nothing to do with the fact that you don't take women seriously in any shape or form.

You know. Women. The real people your preferred characters represent in the most shallow ways possible.

You know, you don't have a damn clue who his characters are or even how they look, so I find it odd you say that.

Yes, because "I have an H-cup and no bra, look at me bounce! This doesn't hurt my back at all! *tee hee* Look at my hilariously inadequate armour! Oh, my hair got messed up when I did that, how terrible!" isn't cheesy. Not at all.

"Because clearly, my physical appearance is the sole relevant aspect of my character, hee hee!"

Seriously, for someone opposed to objectification, you objectify a lot.

Oh, don't tell them that!!! Feminists objectifying women? Can't happen!!!

[Zweite Alaje]

Oh no, never the case for film or video games....

I also like how the puppets defending Alaje are somehow oblivious to the fact that he mistook women with female video game characters and acting as though these are one and the same. Or perhaps they don't consider this part of his fucking problem when it very clearly is.

This is especially ironic because earlier in the thread he was doing one of those "men in video games are typecast and unrealistic and not at all like most men" things. Yet for some reason, he thinks that video games accurately depict women (or at least this is suggested by the fact that he somehow can't tell women apart from video game "women").

I don't see how it would seem I think game females and real females are the same, when I've been saying "they're just games, calm you're tits" the whole time.

I was pointing out that sure some things about game characters annoy me too, but I don't scream "SEKSIZM SEKSIZM!!!!". Same goes for female characters, some of there designs are weird and gaudy, but its a game I can take it with a grain of salt. I'm not gonna die because a game.

[Zweite Alaje]

Explain that again but more clearly.

I stated that Alaje did not respect women and their opinions. He countered that this wasn't true because he played female characters in his video games.

My statement about Alaje not respecting women had nothing to do with him not respecting female video game characters (and this should have been obvious from the context), yet somehow he conflated the two. Somehow, to him, female video game characters count as real women when they're really not.

Wow, I don't even...wth.

Not even what I was trying to convey. I don't know how you came to that conclusion.

[Zweite Alaje]

I don't see how it would seem I think game females and real females are the same, when I've been saying "they're just games, calm you're tits" the whole time.

I was pointing out that sure some things about game characters annoy me too, but I don't scream "SEKSIZM SEKSIZM!!!!". Same goes for female characters, some of there designs are weird and gaudy, but its a game I can take it with a grain of salt. I'm not gonna die because a game.

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That shit gets annoying as fuck after a while, and yes, a sexist trend is fucking sexist.

They're games, it isn't even serious. At all.

I don't see how it would seem I think game females and real females are the same, when I've been saying "they're just games, calm you're tits" the whole time.

Do you ever read your own posts?

Uh, right. FYI, I play almost exclusively with females characters in games I play. From my experience their characterizations are much more interesting than thàt of male ones. If anything the male characters need work, the old macho routine is cheesy.

Here I am making a statement about your attitude toward women and here you are responding with how you choose your video game characters.

Granted, immediately after that you do this:

How don't I take women seriously? Just because I don't pander to the few that bitch every waking moment about how everything in the universe is sexist, raping them, or oppressing them?

Where you craft strawmen so you can pretend that everyone else's complaints don't matter.

And of course, we're bitching when we express criticism about something you hold so dear.


Fuck. It's almost enough to make me want to get preggorz so I can have an abortion and mail you the remains. Too bad there are laws about mailing biological waste though.

I was pointing out that sure some things about game characters annoy me too, but I don't scream "SEKSIZM SEKSIZM!!!!". Same goes for female characters, some of there designs are weird and gaudy, but its a game I can take it with a grain of salt. I'm not gonna die because a game.

Yeah, which is totally why any suggestions for improvement should be dismissed as "bitching". Clearly it's unreasonable to expect that video games could possibly get better.

Oh, but that's right. It's only a legit concern if you've got a penis, right?

The thread is about how game culture can influence RL culture, I my position is that "sexism" in games isn't very serious because games don't have much weight on society's mentality. That was the whole reason I posted that.

As usual feminists are chasing made up "issues" just like their liberal buddies.

[Zweite Alaje]

Wow, I don't even...wth.

Not even what I was trying to convey. I don't know how you came to that conclusion.

Because you responded to my statement about your attitude toward women (you know, the people) with how you choose your fucking video game characters.

Seriously.

The fucking thread is about how games related to the real world.

Oh, btw, you still haven't explained how I'm a supposed woman hater. I asked you like three pages ago.

[Zweite Alaje]

The fucking thread is about how games related to the real world.

Oh, btw, you still haven't explained how I'm a supposed woman hater. I asked you like three pages ago.

Yes I did. Just now even. You lumped it in with a bunch of shit and said that it was invented.


I mean, you also clearly hate women because of how you act in the abortion threads. It's pretty fucking blatant that we're only good for one thing according to you.

Hate abortion =/= hate women.

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about, if I really hated women I'd want to kill them all no exceptions and I'd want to have all female children aborted. That's hating women. When I hate, I'm very unforgiving. I don't even hate liberals, I just have an incredible disliking of their views.

[Zweite Alaje]

The fucking thread is about how games related to the real world.

Oh, btw, you still haven't explained how I'm a supposed woman hater. I asked you like three pages ago.

Cis idiot here, aren't you not a male?

No, I'm not male.

Hate abortion =/= hate women.

Not thinking that women have the right to make their own medical decisions = not respecting women

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about, if I really hated women I'd want to kill them all no exceptions and I'd want to have all female children aborted. That hating women. When I hate, I'm very unforgiving. I don't even hate liberals, I just have an incredible disliking of their views.

Uh huh...

Anyway, the original point was respecting, not hating. Your little victim complex means that you equate them, but they're not really the same. You definitely don't respect women at all and you probably hate us too (or at least the ones among us that aren't submissive little incubators).

I mean, when you refuse to address issues or direct responses (continually, we're not just talking in this thread), strawman people who oppose you and then dismiss what everyone else says as "bitching" and "whining" it's pretty obvious that there's a profound lack of respect. That's not even getting into the part where you think that you should get to be supreme dictator of women's bodies.

Of course the best part is that after all this profoundly shitty behaviour, you expect people to respond to you with something other than snark. So you know, I really wonder why I even bother actually writing coherent posts in response to your bullshit. You're pretty obviously not worth the time and effort.

Maybe I wouldn't dismiss what you say if you'd actually bring up topics that matter instead of game characters, or how much sex you miss out on because you're pregnant.

Just like anyone else here, you have a problem please don't hesitate to add me to your foe list, I'd make my fucking day.

[Zweite Alaje]

I don't see how it would seem I think game females and real females are the same, when I've been saying "they're just games, calm you're tits" the whole time.

I was pointing out that sure some things about game characters annoy me too, but I don't scream "SEKSIZM SEKSIZM!!!!". Same goes for female characters, some of there designs are weird and gaudy, but its a game I can take it with a grain of salt. I'm not gonna die because a game.

Here's the thing. Humans are social creatures.

Yes, it's true, one video game character with hugely obnoxious tits (looking at you, soul calibur) or one male character with obnoxiously masculine hero arms and Rambo guns (looking at you, Duke Nukem, which I've never played) is pretty inconsequential. A blip even.

However, when combined with the prevalent repeated sexism of other games, books, movies, tv shows, sitcoms (looking at you, everybody loves Raymond), radio, internet articles...it starts to become socialized in your head as average, normal, acceptable, preferable even. This massive voluminous amount of sexism gradually corrupts others to create more of itself. It's a disease really.

It leads us to where we are now, that women are support not leaders. That men are perpetrators not victims. Why is this?

Because we've seen it a thousand times. It's normal.

Someone would have to be an idiot to allow media to influence them that much, especially a videogames.

[Zweite Alaje]

"I cannot think or make decisions for myself"

Is not the same as " Women dress like sluts on every media platform, so I am going to assume that's what women usually wear in this society".

But thank you for that comment.

EDIT: Or "But women look like non-realistic, overly endowed, femme fatals in every media platform, so I am going to assume that's what women look like in this society".

It is very interesting how someone could disregard the influence of the media, such a major part of modern sociology, because it simply doesn't suit their beliefs.

No one assumes women look like videogame or TV characters. I mean you can look at your mom or your sister and see it doesn't work like that IRL. People don't have four arms or shoot ki blasts either, don't see you complaining about that.