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Postby Agymnum » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:55 pm

Olthar wrote:
Dakini wrote:Silly would be expecting Alaje to take women seriously in any way shape or form.

Well, you have to admit that the way tits bounce is quite humorous, and they're fun to play with.


I knew their was a reason I always found breast physic implementation in games fascinating.
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Postby Warda » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:56 pm

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Dakini wrote:Silly would be expecting Alaje to take women seriously in any way shape or form.

Well, you have to admit that the way tits bounce is quite humorous, and they're fun to play with.

Theres a breast physics mod for Skyrim :lol2:
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Postby Dakini » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:56 pm

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Dakini wrote:Silly would be expecting Alaje to take women seriously in any way shape or form.


Shall I bring out the popcorn or do you think he'll ignore that comment?

I'm a woman so I'm not expecting him to take me seriously.

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Postby Verbal Pararhea » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:56 pm

Olthar wrote:and they're fun to play with.


That's a matter of opinion.

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Postby Agymnum » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:56 pm

Dakini wrote:
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Shall I bring out the popcorn or do you think he'll ignore that comment?

I'm a woman so I'm not expecting him to take me seriously.


Ah, I see. That's rather disappointing.
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Postby Dakini » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:57 pm

Olthar wrote:
Dakini wrote:Silly would be expecting Alaje to take women seriously in any way shape or form.

Well, you have to admit that the way tits bounce is quite humorous, and they're fun to play with.

Mine are not especially bouncy....

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Postby Olthar » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:58 pm

Warda wrote:
Olthar wrote:Well, you have to admit that the way tits bounce is quite humorous, and they're fun to play with.

Theres a breast physics mod for Skyrim :lol2:

I'm sure. I got one for Oblivion, but I, unfortunately, only have the Xbox version of Skyrim.

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Olthar wrote:Well, you have to admit that the way tits bounce is quite humorous, and they're fun to play with.

Mine are not especially bouncy....

Sadness. D':
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Postby Agymnum » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:59 pm

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Olthar wrote:Well, you have to admit that the way tits bounce is quite humorous, and they're fun to play with.

Mine are not especially bouncy....


I find bouncy breasts to be fascinating to observe physics-wise (just to see the extent that game engines can render proper bouncing), but in all honestly I find them aesthetically unpleasing. I prefer that breasts be proportioned to the rest of the female body, and for me proportioned usually means a little on the small side.
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Postby Dakini » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:59 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Dakini wrote:I'm a woman so I'm not expecting him to take me seriously.


Ah, I see. That's rather disappointing.

Granted, if he does, I'll go with "NSG... This is serious business goiz! :roll:"


Actually, I'm going to sleep so if he says anything, feel free to copy/paste that quote on my behalf.

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Postby Dakini » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:59 pm

Olthar wrote:
Warda wrote:Theres a breast physics mod for Skyrim :lol2:

I'm sure. I got one for Oblivion, but I, unfortunately, only have the Xbox version of Skyrim.

Dakini wrote:Mine are not especially bouncy....

Sadness. D':

Less back pain to worry about.

And they're still fun to play with. :P

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Postby Sommorragh » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:01 pm

Dakini wrote:
Olthar wrote:Well, you have to admit that the way tits bounce is quite humorous, and they're fun to play with.

Mine are not especially bouncy....


Let the world unite under the banner of Tits!

Now there's a political ideology I'd support.

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Postby Olthar » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:01 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Dakini wrote:Mine are not especially bouncy....


I find bouncy breasts to be fascinating to observe physics-wise (just to see the extent that game engines can render proper bouncing), but in all honestly I find them aesthetically unpleasing. I prefer that breasts be proportioned to the rest of the female body, and for me proportioned usually means a little on the small side.

I enjoy breasts of all shapes and sizes, but I want my future girlfriend to have some meat on her chest. They'll be more fun to motorboat then. :3

Dakini wrote:
Olthar wrote:I'm sure. I got one for Oblivion, but I, unfortunately, only have the Xbox version of Skyrim.


Sadness. D':

Less back pain to worry about.

And they're still fun to play with. :P

I suppose...
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:03 pm

Dakini wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Are we going to pretend like media does not influence society?

Because that would be really silly.

Silly would be expecting Alaje to take women seriously in any way shape or form.


Because disagreeing with your search for conflict makes him sexist. :roll:

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Postby Orham » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:06 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:I didn't say it couldn't or doesn't. What I am saying is that, as usual, a certain group of people with a certain ideology, are blowing everything out of proportion. If it was that serious, how about we ban murder and all crime from games too, that'd have an effect too if seeing a character with an exposing design is so serious and sexist.


Even in Grand Theft Auto the police will still chase you if you commit a murder. If you commit enough crimes they start flinging trucks and tanks at you. There's still that reminder that what is happening on the screen is socially unacceptable, that it's not something you should actually try to do. And it's not delivered in some ham-fisted way like a pre-game PSA. The message just naturally weaves into the rest of the setting.

A possible equivalent for a female character who is scantily clad only to boost sales (rather than for some in-context reason) would be to have someone in-game question it so as to highlight its strangeness and pointlessness. For example, the opposing character in a fighting game might cry out "What on Earth are you wearing?!" or "Where are your clothes?!" That would actually be a hilarious way to bring it forth that this sort of costuming and character design is outside the norm, and it wouldn't be particularly intrusive, either.
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Postby Libertarian California » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:14 pm

Orham wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:I didn't say it couldn't or doesn't. What I am saying is that, as usual, a certain group of people with a certain ideology, are blowing everything out of proportion. If it was that serious, how about we ban murder and all crime from games too, that'd have an effect too if seeing a character with an exposing design is so serious and sexist.


Even in Grand Theft Auto the police will still chase you if you commit a murder. If you commit enough crimes they start flinging trucks and tanks at you. There's still that reminder that what is happening on the screen is socially unacceptable, that it's not something you should actually try to do. And it's not delivered in some ham-fisted way like a pre-game PSA. The message just naturally weaves into the rest of the setting.


Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars's message was that I need to sell a lot of heroin so I can afford a Hummer.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:16 pm

Dakini wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Are we going to pretend like media does not influence society?

Because that would be really silly.

Silly would be expecting Alaje to take women seriously in any way shape or form.

Uh, right. FYI, I play almost exclusively with females characters in games I play. From my experience their characterizations are much more interesting than thàt of male ones. If anything the male characters need work, the old macho routine is cheesy.


Orham wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:I didn't say it couldn't or doesn't. What I am saying is that, as usual, a certain group of people with a certain ideology, are blowing everything out of proportion. If it was that serious, how about we ban murder and all crime from games too, that'd have an effect too if seeing a character with an exposing design is so serious and sexist.


Even in Grand Theft Auto the police will still chase you if you commit a murder. If you commit enough crimes they start flinging trucks and tanks at you. There's still that reminder that what is happening on the screen is socially unacceptable, that it's not something you should actually try to do. And it's not delivered in some ham-fisted way like a pre-game PSA. The message just naturally weaves into the rest of the setting.

A possible equivalent for a female character who is scantily clad only to boost sales (rather than for some in-context reason) would be to have someone in-game question it so as to highlight its strangeness and pointlessness. For example, the opposing character in a fighting game might cry out "What on Earth are you wearing?!" or "Where are your clothes?!" That would actually be a hilarious way to bring it forth that this sort of costuming and character design is outside the norm, and it wouldn't be particularly intrusive, either.


How about games like Mortal Kombat or Twisted Metal? Cops don't come to stop you in those (well accept for Twisted Metal 1).

That would be hilarious to me actually. But I'm not sure alot of the fan base would like it, I think I'd ruin their fantasies.
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Postby Olthar » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:17 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
Orham wrote:
Even in Grand Theft Auto the police will still chase you if you commit a murder. If you commit enough crimes they start flinging trucks and tanks at you. There's still that reminder that what is happening on the screen is socially unacceptable, that it's not something you should actually try to do. And it's not delivered in some ham-fisted way like a pre-game PSA. The message just naturally weaves into the rest of the setting.


Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars's message was that I need to sell a lot of heroin so I can afford a Hummer.

If we're talking about bad messages, then Zelda is the worst offender of them all. That game teaches you that people are completely fine with you breaking into their houses and smashing all their pottery. You could even find money in them.
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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:17 pm

Olthar wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:
Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars's message was that I need to sell a lot of heroin so I can afford a Hummer.

If we're talking about bad messages, then Zelda is the worst offender of them all. That game teaches you that people are completely fine with you breaking into their houses and smashing all their pottery. You could even find money in them.

It does provide a rather valuable anti bird killing moral.
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Postby Agymnum » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:17 pm

Olthar wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:
Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars's message was that I need to sell a lot of heroin so I can afford a Hummer.

If we're talking about bad messages, then Zelda is the worst offender of them all. That game teaches you that people are completely fine with you breaking into their houses and smashing all their pottery. You could even find money in them.


Well, to be fair, it balances this with telling you that cutting someone's overgrown grass and weeds is always a good thing to do.
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Postby Olthar » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:19 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Olthar wrote:If we're talking about bad messages, then Zelda is the worst offender of them all. That game teaches you that people are completely fine with you breaking into their houses and smashing all their pottery. You could even find money in them.

It does provide a rather valuable anti bird killing moral.

Yes. Leave chickens alone or you will be obliterated. :shock:

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Olthar wrote:If we're talking about bad messages, then Zelda is the worst offender of them all. That game teaches you that people are completely fine with you breaking into their houses and smashing all their pottery. You could even find money in them.


Well, to be fair, it balances this with telling you that cutting someone's overgrown grass and weeds is always a good thing to do.

I suppose.
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Postby Orham » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:19 pm

Libertarian California wrote:Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars's message was that I need to sell a lot of heroin so I can afford a Hummer.


To be honest, it's not as though seeing that will spur you to act the game out. I may have implied a relationship between depictions and behavior that I didn't mean to. Rather, the game exposes you to ideas. In this case, the idea that criminal activity can be lucrative. At the same time, I expect the game was quite blunt about depicting the illegality and dangerousness of criminal activity. After all, arrest, injury, and death are all possible outcomes.
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Postby Agymnum » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:20 pm

Orham wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars's message was that I need to sell a lot of heroin so I can afford a Hummer.


To be honest, it's not as though seeing that will spur you to act the game out. I may have implied a relationship between depictions and behavior that I didn't mean to. Rather, the game exposes you to ideas. In this case, the idea that criminal activity can be lucrative. At the same time, I expect the game was quite blunt about depicting the illegality and dangerousness of criminal activity. After all, arrest, injury, and death are all possible outcomes.


If anything I learned in GTA IV not to answer my phone while I was doing something. Lost a helicopter to a building that way.
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Postby Olthar » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:22 pm

Orham wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars's message was that I need to sell a lot of heroin so I can afford a Hummer.


To be honest, it's not as though seeing that will spur you to act the game out. I may have implied a relationship between depictions and behavior that I didn't mean to. Rather, the game exposes you to ideas. In this case, the idea that criminal activity can be lucrative. At the same time, I expect the game was quite blunt about depicting the illegality and dangerousness of criminal activity. After all, arrest, injury, and death are all possible outcomes.

Ah, but if you die, you'll just respawn in front of the nearest hospital missing $500 and your weapons, so it's not really that big of a deal.
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Postby Dalmacie » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:22 pm

Well, gamers being mostly male, or so I believe, it is understandable that the game companies would want to market to their...Desires.

Is that a good thing? No.

Should that be banned? No.

Obviously, sexism and female objectification in video games is a major phenomena; as evidenced by how in some games, clothes worn by male characters look absolutely normal, but when worn by female characters they become more "sexy" and revealing; but I believe the best way to deal with this issue is not by banning it, but by either game companies encouraging more females to become gamers, or by making male characters be as scantily clad as female ones.

Or you know, the companies could just dress females normally too.

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