Sexism in video games.

[Olthar]

People seriously think to much into games, play the fucking games and have fun. Sheesh. All this, "OH MAH GERD TEH PAYRIARKY!1!!11" is quite annoying.

Yay. Let's just dismiss all of the issues that don't interest us. That'll solve everything.

Clearly, the blacks would have achieved civil rights a lot faster if they had simply shut up and dealt with it.

[Nailed to the Perch]

Here's a simple answer to this problem: Don't play video games then.

Something that's always annoyed me about people who espouse these sorts of opinions is their utter disregard for opposing viewpoints. It is completely hypocritical to demand "equality", while demanding at the same time someone change their opinion to match their own. It runs contrary to freedom of speech and basic democratic principles. If Female gamers are so offended, they should form their own communities in the gaming world and leave the rest alone. How is it right for a tiny percentage in a group to get special treatment at the expense of the vast majority? It's not, and it is essentially a tyranny of the minority in this case.

Finally, I happen to know several Female gamers myself. From conversations I've had with them, they could honestly careless what gets said. In fact, I've often had them to be just as "misogynistic" as the guys. I really only think the women complaining about this issue are those who just lack a personal life, and decide to invest their time by being totalitarian on completely mundane matters.

So 45% is a "tiny percentage" now?
And yes, your personal anecdotes are statistically relevant and don't at all sound like "I have black friends so I can't be racist"...
Oh, & you made the ad hominem by saying they lack lives as well... How novel.

It is, however, a particularly entertaining ad hominem to throw out in defense of sexist video games. Because when one thinks "people who have full and fulfilling personal lives," the image that springs to mind is definitely "guys who get really worked up and start talking about 'tyranny' when they consider the horrible prospect of slightly fewer games featuring half-naked cartoon women jiggling their boobs at them."

[Edlichbury]

The very first mission in the game.
Literally, the very first thing you do.
And just in case: IN LITERALLY THE VERY FIRST MISSION A MAN SAVES YOU FROM BEING KILLED BY A DRAGON.

Okay, sorry little brain fart there. But can you name any other instances of this?

Paratus and the entirely male Synods save literally the entire town of Winterhold, and yourself, during part of the College of Winterhold questline.
Farkas saves you from a trap you have literally no method of escaping in The Companions.
While questionable, Veezara is sent to cover your escape during part of the Dark Brotherhood.
Nazir and Babette both save you later in the Dark Brotherhood.

I still give Skyrim props for being much further along than most games on sexism.

[Dakini]

Yay. Let's just dismiss all of the issues that don't interest us. That'll solve everything.

Clearly, the blacks would have achieved civil rights a lot faster if they had simply shut up and dealt with it.

Yeah, everyone knows that when you stfu people just take you super serious and do what you want. I mean, it works for straight white men, which is why they can't stfu when anyone else asks for the same sort of consideration.

[New Octopucta]

Clearly, the blacks would have achieved civil rights a lot faster if they had simply shut up and dealt with it.

I know. How silly of them to whine about trivial things like segregation. They should have just dealt with it and enjoyed life.

[Olthar]

Farkas saves you from a trap you have literally no method of escaping in The Companions.

Actually, if you just pull the lever again, the gate will open, but the one leading deeper into the dungeon will close once more. It's how they ensured that you can't complete that dungeon without joining the Companions.

[Olthar]

Clearly, the blacks would have achieved civil rights a lot faster if they had simply shut up and dealt with it.

I know. How silly of them to whine about trivial things like segregation. They should have just dealt with it and enjoyed life.

I mean, as a white person, I think things are just fine. Racism hasn't affected my life in any way, so that clearly means it isn't a problem for anyone. That's how reality works, right?

[New Octopucta]

Actually, if you just pull the lever again, the gate will open, but the one leading deeper into the dungeon will close once more. It's how they ensured that you can't complete that dungeon without joining the Companions.

If memory serves it removes the marker for the lever and then forces a cutscene if you're there with Farkas, so he has to save you.

[Warda]

Farkas saves you from a trap you have literally no method of escaping in The Companions.

Actually, if you just pull the lever again, the gate will open, but the one leading deeper into the dungeon will close once more. It's how they ensured that you can't complete that dungeon without joining the Companions.

theres a character in skyrim who complains about the sexism in skyrim

[Edlichbury]

Farkas saves you from a trap you have literally no method of escaping in The Companions.

Actually, if you just pull the lever again, the gate will open, but the one leading deeper into the dungeon will close once more. It's how they ensured that you can't complete that dungeon without joining the Companions.

I knew somewhere in my search for examples I'd mess up a detail somewhere.

Also, Skyrim really hates the idea of the Dragonborn ever being saved. The only time where it is absolutely necessary is at the very beginning and every other example is pretty disputable.

[Reploid Productions]

Come back when you have an actual point to make.

Oh I have several points I've already made, on many occassions. You confuse "not having a point to make" with "not having a point I'm capable of understanding". Which, you know, isn't all that surprising really. It's kinda like showing the Mona Lisa to a blind dude. The painting is there. You just can't see it.

My argument is, and always has been, quite clear. You just seem to lack the capacity to understand it.

There was a time on this forum, long ago, that your profound inability to understand even the most basic of social considerations would have been routinely laughed at. Now, you actually seem above average.

The mistake you've made however is assuming that standing taller than most makes you actually tall. It's a flaw of perception. Reality is, you're just the largest guppy in a very small pond.

But don't let that confuse you into thinking you're particularly GOOD at this. I still think "pathetic" sums up your argumentative capacities quite well.

Neo, you really ought to know better than this. Really. That entire post is nothing but a wordy attack on the poster, not their response to your argument or perceived lack of one. Your entire post could be summed up as "tl;dr - You are stupid."

Which is flaming. The rules even make explicit reference to this type of thing being unacceptable.

Flame: Expressing anger at someone in uncouth ways with OOC (out-of-character) comments (i.e. swearing, being obnoxious, threatening etc). It does to watch what you post IC (in-character) as well unless the other posters know you're not serious. You do not need to curse to be a flamer. Erudite slams while maintaining a veneer of politeness can also be considered flaming. Flaming in the forums should be reported in the Moderation forum, in the game itself, through Getting Help Page.

And looking at your recent history, I don't believe that a mere warning is going to suffice this time around. Neo Art, I am extremely disappoint that I have to hand you a *** 3-day ban for flaming ***.


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[Choronzon]

Its all well and good that Bethesda isn't sexist. Now that they've achieved their goal of being progressive, they should focus on making games that aren't embarrassingly buggy and mind meltingly boring.

[Olthar]

Actually, if you just pull the lever again, the gate will open, but the one leading deeper into the dungeon will close once more. It's how they ensured that you can't complete that dungeon without joining the Companions.

If memory serves it removes the marker for the lever and then forces a cutscene if you're there with Farkas, so he has to save you.

Only if he's there when you pull the lever. If you go in without him, the lever continues working just fine.

[Edlichbury]

Actually, if you just pull the lever again, the gate will open, but the one leading deeper into the dungeon will close once more. It's how they ensured that you can't complete that dungeon without joining the Companions.

If memory serves it removes the marker for the lever and then forces a cutscene if you're there with Farkas, so he has to save you.

That's what I remembered. Granted, I haven't played in about a month and it's been a good six or seven since I was at that quest.

[New Octopucta]

I mean, as a white person, I think things are just fine. Racism hasn't affected my life in any way, so that clearly means it isn't a problem for anyone. That's how reality works, right?

I mean this one time a black guy complained about not having any prominent role models in politics besides Obama, so I told him he should look up to white people. That's always worked for me.

[Asuiop]

Clearly, the blacks would have achieved civil rights a lot faster if they had simply shut up and dealt with it.

I know. How silly of them to whine about trivial things like segregation. They should have just dealt with it and enjoyed life.

Because obviously civil rights are on the same level as women with giant tits in video games.

[The Grey Wolf]

People seriously think to much into games, play the fucking games and have fun. Sheesh. All this, "OH MAH GERD TEH PAYRIARKY!1!!11" is quite annoying.

Have a cookie.

[Olthar]

Actually, if you just pull the lever again, the gate will open, but the one leading deeper into the dungeon will close once more. It's how they ensured that you can't complete that dungeon without joining the Companions.

I knew somewhere in my search for examples I'd mess up a detail somewhere.

Also, Skyrim really hates the idea of the Dragonborn ever being saved. The only time where it is absolutely necessary is at the very beginning and every other example is pretty disputable.

Honestly, even then, the only real part of anyone else helping you is when your binds are cut. You do everything else yourself. When you get to Riverwood, both guys even admit that you saved them far more than they saved you.

[Frisivisia]

Its all well and good that Bethesda isn't sexist. Now that they've achieved their goal of being progressive, they should focus on making games that aren't embarrassingly buggy and mind meltingly boring.

If you want to be an unbeliever, that's cool. I'll be playing Oblivion for the 7 or 8 billionth time.

[Olthar]

I mean, as a white person, I think things are just fine. Racism hasn't affected my life in any way, so that clearly means it isn't a problem for anyone. That's how reality works, right?

I mean this one time a black guy complained about not having any prominent role models in politics besides Obama, so I told him he should look up to white people. That's always worked for me.

Wow. That sure was easy. I don't know what he was complaining about. There are plenty of role models in politics!

[Choronzon]

Oh I have several points I've already made, on many occassions. You confuse "not having a point to make" with "not having a point I'm capable of understanding". Which, you know, isn't all that surprising really. It's kinda like showing the Mona Lisa to a blind dude. The painting is there. You just can't see it.

My argument is, and always has been, quite clear. You just seem to lack the capacity to understand it.

There was a time on this forum, long ago, that your profound inability to understand even the most basic of social considerations would have been routinely laughed at. Now, you actually seem above average.

The mistake you've made however is assuming that standing taller than most makes you actually tall. It's a flaw of perception. Reality is, you're just the largest guppy in a very small pond.

But don't let that confuse you into thinking you're particularly GOOD at this. I still think "pathetic" sums up your argumentative capacities quite well.

Neo, you really ought to know better than this. Really. That entire post is nothing but a wordy attack on the poster, not their response to your argument or perceived lack of one. Your entire post could be summed up as "tl;dr - You are stupid."

Which is flaming. The rules even make explicit reference to this type of thing being unacceptable.

Flame: Expressing anger at someone in uncouth ways with OOC (out-of-character) comments (i.e. swearing, being obnoxious, threatening etc). It does to watch what you post IC (in-character) as well unless the other posters know you're not serious. You do not need to curse to be a flamer. Erudite slams while maintaining a veneer of politeness can also be considered flaming. Flaming in the forums should be reported in the Moderation forum, in the game itself, through Getting Help Page.

And looking at your recent history, I don't believe that a mere warning is going to suffice this time around. Neo Art, I am extremely disappoint that I have to hand you a *** 3-day ban for flaming ***.


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

I am sure that a few pages of scathing and accurate criticism in no way factored into this decision. That would mean moderation is petty and vindictive, and we all know thats not the case

[Zweite Alaje]

People seriously think to much into games, play the fucking games and have fun. Sheesh. All this, "OH MAH GERD TEH PAYRIARKY!1!!11" is quite annoying.

Yeah, fuck everyone who doesn't set their brain on autopilot constantly.

Videogames...this is serious business goiz.

[Frisivisia]

I knew somewhere in my search for examples I'd mess up a detail somewhere.

Also, Skyrim really hates the idea of the Dragonborn ever being saved. The only time where it is absolutely necessary is at the very beginning and every other example is pretty disputable.

Honestly, even then, the only real part of anyone else helping you is when your binds are cut. You do everything else yourself. When you get to Riverwood, both guys even admit that you saved them far more than they saved you.

Then I rob their houses and kill their family before proceeding to take credit for all of their deeds to the Jarl of their home hold.

[New Octopucta]

Because obviously civil rights are on the same level as women with giant tits in video games.

So the guy I was responding to can be dismissive about what we're talking about, but god forbid I poke fun at his apathy.

[Choronzon]

Yeah, fuck everyone who doesn't set their brain on autopilot constantly.

Videogames...this is serious business goiz.

Are we going to pretend like media does not influence society?

Because that would be really silly.