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Postby Verbal Pararhea » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:50 pm

New Octopucta wrote:You've misread my complaint. The issue isn't the PC's sexuality. It's that no romance option has a defined sexuality. All of their sexualities change to fit the PC's.


What's really wrong with that? The game is basically allowing the player to decide how characters are through their actions. In some incarnations, this character might be gay or straight, or bisexual, asexual, whatever. The character of "Western" RPG's has always been to give the player character as much power over the world and its narrative as possible.

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Postby Olthar » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:51 pm

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Aurora Novus wrote:A single thief with the luck of the gods on their side? No, you wouldn't win. That's the whole reason you had to receive powers from Nocturnal in the first place.

A single thief with the luck of a Daedric being against the reincarnation of a literal god with the ability to summon the heroes of legend to fight in their time of need and a literal fucking dragon out of the sky to fight at their side?

I don't think you understand. The character, story-wise, is literally an overpowered godlike being gracing the planet with their presence to save it in its time of need after you've completed the main storyline. You kill mythic beast out of legend as a description of your day job.

Also, Alduin is Akatosh, so you literally kill a god during the game.
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Postby Verbal Pararhea » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:51 pm

Frisivisia wrote:My Morrowind Character is a nigh-invincible flying behemoth who can cross Tamriel in a second and kill anything in the world with one hit. Potion glitches sure are fun.


But you aren't one of the nine eight divines.

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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:51 pm

Olthar wrote:
Gauntleted Fist wrote:A single thief with the luck of a Daedric being against the reincarnation of a literal god with the ability to summon the heroes of legend to fight in their time of need and a literal fucking dragon out of the sky to fight at their side?

I don't think you understand. The character, story-wise, is literally an overpowered godlike being gracing the planet with their presence to save it in its time of need after you've completed the main storyline. You kill mythic beast out of legend as a description of your day job.

Also, Alduin is Akatosh, so you literally kill a god during the game.

I thought Alduin was the Son of Akatosh.
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Postby Olthar » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:52 pm

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Edlichbury wrote:Gameplay wise, you are literally a god in human form as well as the single most powerful person that ever lived.


[nitpick]No, Tiber Septim is the most powerful person that ever lived.[/nitpick]

The protagonist of Skyrim is the reincarnation of Tiber Septim.
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Postby Verbal Pararhea » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:52 pm

Olthar wrote:Also, Alduin is Akatosh, so you literally kill a god during the game.


Alduin is the first born of Akatosh.

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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:52 pm

Verbal Pararhea wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:My Morrowind Character is a nigh-invincible flying behemoth who can cross Tamriel in a second and kill anything in the world with one hit. Potion glitches sure are fun.


But you aren't one of the nine eight divines.

Don't give a fuck. I'll sail up to Aetherius and kick their asses. Because Badass MacBadass the Badass doesn't give a fuck about your problems.
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Postby Olthar » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:52 pm

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Olthar wrote:Also, Alduin is Akatosh, so you literally kill a god during the game.

I thought Alduin was the Son of Akatosh.

And Jesus is the son of Yahweh.
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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:53 pm

Olthar wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:I thought Alduin was the Son of Akatosh.

And Jesus is the son of Yahweh.

Talk about a shitty dad.
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Postby Verbal Pararhea » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:54 pm

Frisivisia wrote:Don't give a fuck. I'll sail up to Aetherius and kick their asses. Because Badass MacBadass the Badass doesn't give a fuck about your problems.


You'll still never kill Sheogorath. He'll just teleport you so high above the ground that even you power won't save you from the fall damage.

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Postby Asuiop » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:54 pm

Olthar wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:I thought Alduin was the Son of Akatosh.

And Jesus is the son of Yahweh.

Not the same case. The old dragon(Forgot the name) says multiple times that Alduin is the firstborn son of Akatosh. The Alduin is Akatosh thing is just a mistake made by Imperial Scholars.
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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:55 pm

Verbal Pararhea wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Don't give a fuck. I'll sail up to Aetherius and kick their asses. Because Badass MacBadass the Badass doesn't give a fuck about your problems.


You'll still never kill Sheogorath. He'll just teleport you so high above the ground that even you power won't save you from the fall damage.

Feather yourself, fool.

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Postby Shaggai » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:56 pm

Verbal Pararhea wrote:
Olthar wrote:Also, Alduin is Akatosh, so you literally kill a god during the game.


Alduin is the first born of Akatosh.

Still a god of destruction iirc. And I thought you don't permanently kill him? Wouldn't that disrupt fate or something?

Actually, that should be the next game. Fate is messed up, so you have to go fix it.
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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:56 pm

Verbal Pararhea wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Don't give a fuck. I'll sail up to Aetherius and kick their asses. Because Badass MacBadass the Badass doesn't give a fuck about your problems.


You'll still never kill Sheogorath. He'll just teleport you so high above the ground that even you power won't save you from the fall damage.

You must be a Skyrim-only heathen who's never heard of Feather. For shame.
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Postby Asuiop » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:57 pm

Shaggai wrote:
Verbal Pararhea wrote:
Alduin is the first born of Akatosh.

Still a god of destruction iirc. And I thought you don't permanently kill him? Wouldn't that disrupt fate or something?

Actually, that should be the next game. Fate is messed up, so you have to go fix it.

Yeah, you still just mess him up, not kill him. You could tell because you didn't absorb his soul when you took him down.
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Postby Olthar » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:57 pm

Asuiop wrote:
Olthar wrote:And Jesus is the son of Yahweh.

Not the same case. The old dragon(Forgot the name) says multiple times that Alduin is the firstborn son of Akatosh. The Alduin is Akatosh thing is just a mistake made by Imperial Scholars.

Ironically, the Imperial scholars actually got it right for all the wrong reasons. Gods in The Elder Scrolls universe are quite peculiar. Just look at Lorkhan. Shezzar is Lorkhan. Shor is Lorkhan. The Underking is Lorkhan. Talos is Lorkhan. Masser and Sedunda are the split halves of Lorkhan's body. And, during all this, Lorkhan is also dead and missing his heart. The cosmology of TES is complex and confusing.
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Postby Asuiop » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:57 pm

Verbal Pararhea wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:My Morrowind Character is a nigh-invincible flying behemoth who can cross Tamriel in a second and kill anything in the world with one hit. Potion glitches sure are fun.


But you aren't one of the nine eight divines.

It's nine
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Postby Verbal Pararhea » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:58 pm

Frisivisia wrote:You must be a Skyrim-only heathen who's never heard of Feather. For shame.


1. This is a Shivering Isles reference.

2. The "Levitation Act of 421" makes flying and similar actions illegal and somehow retroactively impossible.

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Postby Verbal Pararhea » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:59 pm

Asuiop wrote:It's nine


Shh, the Thalmor are listening!

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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:59 pm

Verbal Pararhea wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:You must be a Skyrim-only heathen who's never heard of Feather. For shame.


1. This is a Shivering Isles reference.

2. The "Levitation Act of 421" makes flying and similar actions illegal and somehow retroactively impossible.

1. I know.

2. I died in the year 420 due to a YOLO$wgg blaze it 4 jesus kush love smoke weed every day overdose.
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Postby Asuiop » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:59 pm

Verbal Pararhea wrote:
Asuiop wrote:It's nine


Shh, the Thalmor are listening!

Hah, I kill the thalmor with my eyes closed.
"Unless hes ready to put some serious boot to ass, Hungry is fucked. Blobhemia, Austria, Switzerland, Britanny and whoever else gets cascaded. Thats a hell of an alliance to go against, especially because you know France will worm their way in too. They always do."
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Postby Olthar » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:00 pm

Shaggai wrote:
Verbal Pararhea wrote:
Alduin is the first born of Akatosh.

Still a god of destruction iirc. And I thought you don't permanently kill him? Wouldn't that disrupt fate or something?

Actually, that should be the next game. Fate is messed up, so you have to go fix it.

Personally, I think the next game will be the Thalmor trying to undo creation by destroying Adamantine Tower. It's obvious from the meta plot clues that have been hinted at since Daggerfall.
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Postby Katganistan » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:00 pm

Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:
Katganistan wrote:You will recall that pretty much I said those were the games I bought.

Hmmmmmm

Voting with one's cash. Should appeal to all the free market peeps.

The free market reflects the society it's from. Voting with your cash doesn't work unless a lot of people do the same.

One can still choose not to support game companies they think are doing a poor job of fulfilling their needs.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:00 pm

Olthar wrote:
Asuiop wrote:Not the same case. The old dragon(Forgot the name) says multiple times that Alduin is the firstborn son of Akatosh. The Alduin is Akatosh thing is just a mistake made by Imperial Scholars.

Ironically, the Imperial scholars actually got it right for all the wrong reasons. Gods in The Elder Scrolls universe are quite peculiar. Just look at Lorkhan. Shezzar is Lorkhan. Shor is Lorkhan. The Underking is Lorkhan. Talos is Lorkhan. Masser and Sedunda are the split halves of Lorkhan's body. And, during all this, Lorkhan is also dead and missing his heart. The cosmology of TES is complex and confusing.

The fuck kind of drugs were the writers on?

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Postby Shaggai » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:00 pm

Asuiop wrote:
Shaggai wrote:Still a god of destruction iirc. And I thought you don't permanently kill him? Wouldn't that disrupt fate or something?

Actually, that should be the next game. Fate is messed up, so you have to go fix it.

Yeah, you still just mess him up, not kill him. You could tell because you didn't absorb his soul when you took him down.

Damn. I was hoping I was wrong. I had such a good idea planned out.
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