Sexism in video games.

[Asuiop]

Please, name some modern games in which the woman are always needing saving.

Literally every core Mario game, except the one that's a re-skin of a totally different game.

So because its a woman they are saving its sexist?
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So because its a woman they are saving its sexist?
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Since it is a woman and only a woman, every time, always having a male savior. They literally stated in one game that Peach is kidnapped so frequently, her subjects stopped noticing.

Except that's what the entire game is about!

The entire franchise is essentially the same game with updated graphics.

I bet if it was a man being kidnapped you wouldn't complain.

[Asuiop]

They literally stated in one game that Peach is kidnapped so frequently, her subjects stopped noticing.

That's just sad.

That's actually pretty funny.

[Asuiop]

It's like, the fucking cover, dude.

OK, that one is not entirely fair. The game subverts 'damsel in distress' extremely well. Ellie saves Joel's ass quite a few times, and I think, in the end, it made it out to look like Ellie was the real protector of the group and how Joel wasn't necessarily the main character so much as just the player controlled (mostly) one. Don't want to get too spoilery for people who haven't played, but saying The Last of Us is all about a guy saving a woman isn't necessarily fair or correct.

You just admitted they were saving each other.

[Asuiop]

Except that's what the entire game is about!

The entire franchise is essentially the same game with updated graphics.

I bet if it was a man being kidnapped you wouldn't complain.

If men got kidnapped in almost every game and women always had to save them, I would complain about sexism there too. So nice attempted strawman, but it completely backfired.

I wouldn't think it was sexist either. Do you know why? Because that's the central point of the game. It wouldn't make sense if they suddenly made princess peach into a fat bearded guy.

If you have a problem with them doing it in the first game, consider this. By saying that you would be saying that a woman can not be saved by a man because its sexist.

[Asuiop]

Do video games tend to be sexist? Does the Pope shit in the woods?

Um, I'm worried what will happen if I say yes.

[Asuiop]

I wouldn't think it was sexist either. Do you know why? Because that's the central point of the game. It wouldn't make sense if they suddenly made princess peach into a fat bearded guy.

If you have a problem with them doing it in the first game, consider this. By saying that you would be saying that a woman can not be saved by a man because its sexist.

Strawman.

Let me quote what you responded to:

If men got kidnapped in almost every game and women always had to save them

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Read that and honestly tell me that implies that I would have a problem with the roles being reversed in one game only.

I wasn't responding to that post, I was just using it to show that I'm talking to you.

Also notice to usage of the word "if" as in, I don't know why you think its sexist, so this is my response IF you have a problem with this.

[Asuiop]

And the last time a woman saved a man in a video game was......?

Yesterday when I played Fable 3. And before that it was two days ago when I played Fable 3. Pretty much, it's only when I play Fable 3. Must be why that's the only game I've been playing for the past two months.

And the Last of Us, Skyrim, Fallout 3, and a couple other games.

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So do you guys still play these games? How could you enjoy something if you thought it was sexist and that sexism is bad? Wouldn't that thought constantly invade your thoughts as you're playing and prevent you from enjoying the experience?

Fuck, much of the great literature of Western civilization is sexist.

If you view any book/art scene where a man is saving a woman as sexist, then yep

[Asuiop]

And the Last of Us, Skyrim, Fallout 3, and a couple other games.

"A couple other games" isn't a particularly inspiring amount.

I'm just talking about games I have played, I don't buy many games.

[Asuiop]

If you view any book/art scene where a man is saving a woman as sexist, then yep

If you make strawmen then you can dismiss every opponent with ease.

Show me some sexism in Western Literature.

[Asuiop]

And the Last of Us, Skyrim, Fallout 3, and a couple other games.

Customizable characters is the industry saying "We're afraid to write female protagonists, so we'll write androgynous protagonists and let you pretend whatever you want." I'm not saying it's bad, but it's foolish to pretend that that is a substitute for real woman protagonists.

What?
Oh, you think I'm talking about the player.

No, I mean actual quests. In Skyrim there are a couple quests where you are saved by a woman, same with Fallout. Last of Us is centered around the woman saving a man.

[Asuiop]

Show me some sexism in Western Literature.

Please don't make me, I'd be gone for years gathering all the names. It's cold out there.

Without showing an example, you can't say something is sexist.

[Asuiop]

What?
Oh, you think I'm talking about the player.

No, I mean actual quests. In Skyrim there are a couple quests where you are saved by a woman, same with Fallout. Last of Us is centered around the woman saving a man.

I've played the entirety of Skyrim, and the player is never rescued by any NPC ever, at least not in any logically cogent way.

I'm not sure that's possible, Skyrim has enough content in it to be playing it for years. For one thing there are the woman followers all over the place which will end up saving you sometime. There's a quest down near riften where you have to fight with a woman you meet to kill her mother(Don't ask), and the mother tries to kill you and ties you up but the woman saves you. Then there's also a mission in the main Thief's guild quest where the leader tries to kill you, and the outcast woman saves you. That's all I can think of offhand but you rarely get saved in the game. I can't really think of any examples for men.

[Asuiop]

I noticed those... Strange ads. "Roman Orgy!" "Male Gamers Only!"... But Europa Universalis 4 is something to really look at. I love Paradox, and I have seen the trailers and Dev. Logs. I've been seeing the ads around the site, I probably won't pre-order it. I might wait a bit, but I have EU3 and its amazing.... But... Yeah... NO SEXISM IN GAMES. WE NEED MORE FEMALE GAMERS. And go PC gamers!

Hah, I love Paradox, they're not afraid to put in racism, sexism, and homophobia into their games where it was historically there.

[Asuiop]

The closest is Karliah's saving of the player during part of the Thieves' Guild storyline, and even then it doesn't make great sense.

Yeah, that was just completely nonsensical. She hit me with a paralyzing arrow, ran away while Mercer stabbed me in the face, and then claimed she saved my life. What the fuck?

Actually she pretended to kill you, when it just paralyzed you. Mercer finished the deal, and then she came back and healed you since the paralyzing slows blood flow. She ran away because its hard to kill Mercer, it took 3 people in the last quest after all.

[Asuiop]

What?
Oh, you think I'm talking about the player.

No, I mean actual quests. In Skyrim there are a couple quests where you are saved by a woman, same with Fallout. Last of Us is centered around the woman saving a man.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Quests
Point them out.

Ugh, It might take awhile but okay.

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Hah, I love Paradox, they're not afraid to put in racism, sexism, and homophobia into their games where it was historically there.

I love in EU3. "You trade 76% of the Slaves in the world." "You Produce 92% of the Slaves in the word."

Yeah I love that. You know your in trouble when 96% of the world's slaves come from your country.

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http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Quests
Point them out.

Ugh, It might take awhile but okay.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Speaking_With_Silence
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Repentance
Those are the two I mentioned, not much but you aren't actually saved in the game at any point other than that. Other than this you're the one doing the saving.

[Asuiop]

No, you asserted it made no sense.

First of all, whether or not it "makes sense" doesn't matter. Many times when a male character is saving someone it "doesn't make sense". The point isn't whether or not it makes sense, the point is did they, according to the game, save you?

Secondly, it makes perfect sense. What about it is confusing? Sure, it's not 100% logically explained, but when magic is involved, nothing is. What occurred makes just enough sense as it needs to.

She paralyzed me and let Mercer stab me. That's not saving, especially not when she can just, you know, let me run away with her? That was an option. Also, I'm the motherfucking Dragonborn. Mercer is a weakling who can't do anything to me. Unless I'm lying on the ground paralyzed, of course. She didn't save me. She put me in mortal danger and then claimed victory when my own toughness saved me. The only reason I lived there is because I'm too strong to get killed by a sword to the face. If I was literally anyone else, her "plan" would have failed completely, and she'd have been directly responsible for murder.

Ugh, let me explain it for you. You see, the paralyzing arrow stops bleeding. That's why she shot it at you. She was going to shoot it at Mercer to force him into admitting he lied about something, but decided to save you instead. When Mercer cut your throat, she knew that it wouldn't kill you, so she decided to get you as her ally before facing Mercer instead of facing him immediately.

And no, you wouldn't have run away since your throat is cut and before that, you trusted Mercer and didn't know you.

[Asuiop]

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Speaking_With_Silence
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Repentance
Those are the two I mentioned, not much but you aren't actually saved in the game at any point other than that. Other than this you're the one doing the saving.

Repentance allows you to simply kill the mom outright with no concern for getting "saved" or fighting with the daughter against the mom. You actually are saving the daughter from the tower's residents who are basically keeping her there against her will.

You didn't play the mission. In the game, you go up there and get caught by the mom. The mom still trusted her so when her back was turned, she killed the mom and untied you.

[Asuiop]

Ugh, let me explain it for you. You see, the paralyzing arrow stops bleeding. That's why she shot it at you. She was going to shoot it at Mercer to force him into admitting he lied about something, but decided to save you instead. When Mercer cut your throat, she knew that it wouldn't kill you, so she decided to get you as her ally before facing Mercer instead of facing him immediately.

...Did you just not read even a single word of my post?

First you said it didn't make sense, so I explained it to you. The rest was going on about how stupid her plan was.

[Asuiop]

You didn't play the mission. In the game, you go up there and get caught by the mom. The mom still trusted her so when her back was turned, she killed the mom and untied you.

I did play the mission. It starts with the daughter asking for your help, and your own link disagrees with you on this point.

So? Because she asks you for help that disqualifies her from saving you?

[Asuiop]

First you said it didn't make sense, so I explained it to you. The rest was going on about how stupid her plan was.

You could have just said "yes."

What?

[Asuiop]

So? Because she asks you for help that disqualifies her from saving you?

You don't get "caught" by the mom. You go through the plan to intentionally get caught so the daughter can ambush the mom, and at most you sit in a chair.

And this was all written in the very link you provided as well.

Plan or not, she could have let you die. Though, my point still stands unless you can find any quests where you get saved by a man.