Sexism in video games.

[Dakini]

Silly would be expecting Alaje to take women seriously in any way shape or form.

Well, you have to admit that the way tits bounce is quite humorous, and they're fun to play with.

Mine are not especially bouncy....

[Dakini]

I'm a woman so I'm not expecting him to take me seriously.

Ah, I see. That's rather disappointing.

Granted, if he does, I'll go with "NSG... This is serious business goiz! "


Actually, I'm going to sleep so if he says anything, feel free to copy/paste that quote on my behalf.

[Dakini]

Theres a breast physics mod for Skyrim

I'm sure. I got one for Oblivion, but I, unfortunately, only have the Xbox version of Skyrim.

Mine are not especially bouncy....

Sadness. D':

Less back pain to worry about.

And they're still fun to play with.

[Dakini]

Sometimes he seems a little less dense than the average...


....but yeah, I think he's going to go the way of TJ for me.

TJ changed right about the time it became more who was saying what he was saying rather than what he was saying? Interesting, no?

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

How do you figure that?

She's playing games spanning decades and isn't focusing just on major titles. What makes you think that all the games she wanted to discuss are featured on someone's youtube channel? What makes you think that they're featured on someone's youtube channel without extra commentary and intact cut scenes? What makes you think that it's okay to steal video clips from other people's youtube videos (and what makes you think they'll be reasonable quality)?

I imagine that she'd have had to (in some cases) acquire older platforms (?; a bit out of my depth here with the lingo) because, from personal experience, some games just won't play on newer stuff (i.e. MTW and Windows Vista).

Not really. I mean, there are tons of used game shops where you can get old consoles and games (for some of the really old stuff you can get games at charity shops). Hell, I found my NES on the curb and have managed to pick up a somewhat reasonable selection of games for it. There's also ebay, but I haven't had to go to that.

For PC games, there are definitely emulators and virtual boxes.

[Dakini]

Silly would be expecting Alaje to take women seriously in any way shape or form.

Uh, right. FYI, I play almost exclusively with females characters in games I play.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that you don't take women seriously in any shape or form.

You know. Women. The real people your preferred characters represent in the most shallow ways possible.

From my experience their characterizations are much more interesting than thàt of male ones. If anything the male characters need work, the old macho routine is cheesy.

Yes, because "I have an H-cup and no bra, look at me bounce! This doesn't hurt my back at all! *tee hee* Look at my hilariously inadequate armour! Oh, my hair got messed up when I did that, how terrible!" isn't cheesy. Not at all.

[Dakini]

I don't generally like multiquoting. I mean, you do it well because you don't reply to 20 posts at once (and I'm not sure if I've noticed you doing this when breaking down a really large post). Someone on here gets several screens worth of replies to other people in one go and whenever I'm among those I just kinda give up.

I usually feel bad because the poster who does it is generally thoughtful, but I just don't want to sort through that shit.

Heaps of people post this way. I hope. As I pointed out in a certain thread where I took a lot of flak for doing so, I do it a lot.

But, I kind of did notice that I wasn't getting replied to much so I've got a new model. Which I've been trying to use here. I post when the scroll bar gets to a point where I think it's too small.

p.s. You're the person I was talking about... the shorter posts are probably better (at least for me... since I'm actually responding this time).

[Dakini]

Which has nothing to do with the fact that you don't take women seriously in any shape or form.

You know. Women. The real people your preferred characters represent in the most shallow ways possible.


Yes, because "I have an H-cup and no bra, look at me bounce! This doesn't hurt my back at all! *tee hee* Look at my hilariously inadequate armour! Oh, my hair got messed up when I did that, how terrible!" isn't cheesy. Not at all.

I imagine the pain in one's face from running about with H cup boobs and no H cup bra to keep them in would show up first.

Hmm, I wonder which would hurt more in that case, your face or your boob...*deep thought*

Probably your pectoral muscles.

I mean, I've got small boobs and I decided that mine were small enough that you know, fuck wearing bras (especially in the summer... omg) and for the first week I noticed that my pecs were a bit sore because suddenly they were supporting my boobs all the time I was vertical. They got used to it (and are presumably stronger for it), but these are small boobs here. If a woman with H-cup breasts stopped wearing a bra, I cannot begin to imagine how much her pecs would hurt or how much her back would hurt (since bras support the breasts so your back doesn't have to).

[Dakini]

I'm going to UfT next year (Trin represent!), and I assure you, I'll be an ardent crusader against them.

Mainly though I just won't be friends with them.

TRIN. TRIN. YOUR PARENTS GOT YOU IN.

That's all we have on you.

Hehe. I got into UfT when I was coming out of high school...


....and then I went to McMaster because I liked the campus better.

[Dakini]

Possibly amusing mechanic for a game: Female characters can be put in ridiculous outfits that provide neither support nor modesty nor protection, but they'll limit their movements to compensate. Absolute cleavage without a bra? Sorry, your character's hands are now busy keep her boobs from flailing about painfully or popping out. Equip the mini-skirt item, no more high kicks or jumping around. An enemy spies you wearing Leather "Armour" of I Just Came From A Fetish Club and your character will run rather than fight.

I would totally support this if the character is also made to comment on it, so that when you equip the mini-skirt she says, "Really? I'm trying to fight zombies here, not go clubbing," and when the enemy attacks she says, "Dammit, I told you not to make me wear heels! How am I supposed to run now, dumbass?" Or, if you object to fourth-wall-breaking, "I don't know what the hell I was thinking when I put on this outfit to go slay dragons in. Apparently I'm some sort of moron! Ow, my completely unprotected spleen!"

That would be pretty awesome.

[Dakini]

Which has nothing to do with the fact that you don't take women seriously in any shape or form.

You know. Women. The real people your preferred characters represent in the most shallow ways possible.


Yes, because "I have an H-cup and no bra, look at me bounce! This doesn't hurt my back at all! *tee hee* Look at my hilariously inadequate armour! Oh, my hair got messed up when I did that, how terrible!" isn't cheesy. Not at all.

How don't I take women seriously? Just because I don't pander to the few that bitch every waking moment about how everything in the universe is sexist, raping them, or oppressing them?

I love it when you answer your own questions. That's just priceless.

[Dakini]

Which has nothing to do with the fact that you don't take women seriously in any shape or form.

You know. Women. The real people your preferred characters represent in the most shallow ways possible.

You know, you don't have a damn clue who his characters are or even how they look, so I find it odd you say that.

Doesn't change the fact that I was talking about how he talks to women. He has the habit of talking to and about real, live women in ways that demonstrate that he does not take us seriously. The only thing that's funny about it is that he's entirely clueless about why and he's got himself a nice victim complex complete with straw-women to combat.

Yes, because "I have an H-cup and no bra, look at me bounce! This doesn't hurt my back at all! *tee hee* Look at my hilariously inadequate armour! Oh, my hair got messed up when I did that, how terrible!" isn't cheesy. Not at all.

"Because clearly, my physical appearance is the sole relevant aspect of my character, hee hee!"

Seriously, for someone opposed to objectification, you objectify a lot.

You keep using that word, but I do not think you understand what it means.


I also don't think you know how to tell the feminists apart on this thread.

[Dakini]

The social and political equality of the genders.

(Also, I'm not sure why not wanting to be oppressed is crap. Seems like a pretty reasonable goal to me.)

Such equality is pretty impossible while maintaining a country that's still a pleasure to live in. Look how "well" it went in Sweden, that place looks awful fucking amazing now.

Fixed that for you.

You're welcome.

[Dakini]

Because clearly, my physical appearance is the sole relevant aspect of my character, hee hee!"

Oh no, never the case for film or video games....

I also like how the puppets defending Alaje are somehow oblivious to the fact that he mistook women with female video game characters and acting as though these are one and the same. Or perhaps they don't consider this part of his fucking problem when it very clearly is.

This is especially ironic because earlier in the thread he was doing one of those "men in video games are typecast and unrealistic and not at all like most men" things. Yet for some reason, he thinks that video games accurately depict women (or at least this is suggested by the fact that he somehow can't tell women apart from video game "women").

[Dakini]

I also like how the puppets defending Alaje are somehow oblivious to the fact that he mistook women with female video game characters and acting as though these are one and the same. Or perhaps they don't consider this part of his fucking problem when it very clearly is.

This is especially ironic because earlier in the thread he was doing one of those "men in video games are typecast and unrealistic and not at all like most men" things. Yet for some reason, he thinks that video games accurately depict women (or at least this is suggested by the fact that he somehow can't tell women apart from video game "women").

Explain that again but more clearly.

I stated that Alaje did not respect women and their opinions. He countered that this wasn't true because he played female characters in his video games.

My statement about Alaje not respecting women had nothing to do with him not respecting female video game characters (and this should have been obvious from the context), yet somehow he conflated the two. Somehow, to him, female video game characters count as real women when they're really not.

[Dakini]

I also like how the puppets defending Alaje are somehow oblivious to the fact that he mistook women with female video game characters and acting as though these are one and the same. Or perhaps they don't consider this part of his fucking problem when it very clearly is.

This is especially ironic because earlier in the thread he was doing one of those "men in video games are typecast and unrealistic and not at all like most men" things. Yet for some reason, he thinks that video games accurately depict women (or at least this is suggested by the fact that he somehow can't tell women apart from video game "women").

I don't see how it would seem I think game females and real females are the same, when I've been saying "they're just games, calm you're tits" the whole time.

Do you ever read your own posts?

Silly would be expecting Alaje to take women seriously in any way shape or form.

Uh, right. FYI, I play almost exclusively with females characters in games I play. From my experience their characterizations are much more interesting than thàt of male ones. If anything the male characters need work, the old macho routine is cheesy.

Here I am making a statement about your attitude toward women and here you are responding with how you choose your video game characters.

Granted, immediately after that you do this:

How don't I take women seriously? Just because I don't pander to the few that bitch every waking moment about how everything in the universe is sexist, raping them, or oppressing them?

Where you craft strawmen so you can pretend that everyone else's complaints don't matter.

And of course, we're bitching when we express criticism about something you hold so dear.


Fuck. It's almost enough to make me want to get preggorz so I can have an abortion and mail you the remains. Too bad there are laws about mailing biological waste though.

I was pointing out that sure some things about game characters annoy me too, but I don't scream "SEKSIZM SEKSIZM!!!!". Same goes for female characters, some of there designs are weird and gaudy, but its a game I can take it with a grain of salt. I'm not gonna die because a game.

Yeah, which is totally why any suggestions for improvement should be dismissed as "bitching". Clearly it's unreasonable to expect that video games could possibly get better.

Oh, but that's right. It's only a legit concern if you've got a penis, right?

[Dakini]

I stated that Alaje did not respect women and their opinions. He countered that this wasn't true because he played female characters in his video games.

My statement about Alaje not respecting women had nothing to do with him not respecting female video game characters (and this should have been obvious from the context), yet somehow he conflated the two. Somehow, to him, female video game characters count as real women when they're really not.

Wow, I don't even...wth.

Not even what I was trying to convey. I don't know how you came to that conclusion.

Because you responded to my statement about your attitude toward women (you know, the people) with how you choose your fucking video game characters.

Seriously.

[Dakini]

Because you responded to my statement about your attitude toward women (you know, the people) with how you choose your fucking video game characters.

Seriously.

The fucking thread is about how games related to the real world.

Oh, btw, you still haven't explained how I'm a supposed woman hater. I asked you like three pages ago.

Yes I did. Just now even. You lumped it in with a bunch of shit and said that it was invented.


I mean, you also clearly hate women because of how you act in the abortion threads. It's pretty fucking blatant that we're only good for one thing according to you.

[Dakini]

Yes I did. Just now even. You lumped it in with a bunch of shit and said that it was invented.


I mean, you also clearly hate women because of how you act in the abortion threads. It's pretty fucking blatant that we're only good for one thing according to you.

Hate abortion =/= hate women.

Not thinking that women have the right to make their own medical decisions = not respecting women

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about, if I really hated women I'd want to kill them all no exceptions and I'd want to have all female children aborted. That hating women. When I hate, I'm very unforgiving. I don't even hate liberals, I just have an incredible disliking of their views.

Uh huh...

Anyway, the original point was respecting, not hating. Your little victim complex means that you equate them, but they're not really the same. You definitely don't respect women at all and you probably hate us too (or at least the ones among us that aren't submissive little incubators).

I mean, when you refuse to address issues or direct responses (continually, we're not just talking in this thread), strawman people who oppose you and then dismiss what everyone else says as "bitching" and "whining" it's pretty obvious that there's a profound lack of respect. That's not even getting into the part where you think that you should get to be supreme dictator of women's bodies.

Of course the best part is that after all this profoundly shitty behaviour, you expect people to respond to you with something other than snark. So you know, I really wonder why I even bother actually writing coherent posts in response to your bullshit. You're pretty obviously not worth the time and effort.

[Dakini]

Just looking at page 84 here.

Are (Some) folks here saying that female characters choosing to be sexy, rather than obeying certain self-declared male feminists' standards of decency for the other sex like good, devout little 19th century girls is sexist?

lel

No. That's not at all what anyone is saying. Good job being full of fail though.

[Dakini]

What's wrong with being sexy?

Nothing. Why do women in a particular media have to be all sexy all the time though?

[Dakini]

Just looking at page 84 here.

Are (Some) folks here saying that female characters choosing to be sexy, rather than obeying certain self-declared male feminists' standards of decency for the other sex like good, devout little 19th century girls is sexist?

lel

Characters having sexual agency is not sexist. The creators of the game that decide to include heavily sexualised female characters as the premise of the game are being sexist.

Also, since when do female characters in video games have sexual agency? Dressing in little clothing is not the same thing.

[Dalmacie]

Well, gamers being mostly male, or so I believe, it is understandable that the game companies would want to market to their...Desires.

Is that a good thing? No.

Should that be banned? No.

Obviously, sexism and female objectification in video games is a major phenomena; as evidenced by how in some games, clothes worn by male characters look absolutely normal, but when worn by female characters they become more "sexy" and revealing; but I believe the best way to deal with this issue is not by banning it, but by either game companies encouraging more females to become gamers, or by making male characters be as scantily clad as female ones.

Or you know, the companies could just dress females normally too.

[Dalmacie]

Sticking gratuitous tits and ass into a game or any sort of media just to get buyers (and with no valid reason or back-story for said gratuitous tits and ass exposure) is pretty sexist to me.

How is it sexist?

Male characters are not treated the same.

Male character rarely wear revealing clothing.

They are not sexualized.

They are characters to be played, not characters to be gawked at.

[Dalmacie]

1-You can categorize kratos from god of war being objectified for being shown in little clothes while having giant muscles and commander shepherd for wearing a military uniform.
2-And even when these things are pointed out, most anti-sexists say "Well, these are marketed to men, not women. So these can't be sexist for objectifying men."
3-Even than, as a male, I don't give a fuck if I'm being objectified or sexualized. I don't feel like I'm being objectified when I'm playing a male architype. Y'know why? Because that's the actual ideal male. Just like housewife characters(none exist, BTW) are the ideal female architype.

4-If you play a video game with no story and the male is just a masculine macho man, I don't give a fuck. I'd play it. I already play video games like that. You don't see me throwing a bitch fit and starting a social movement.
5-And just because you play a video game with female characters that are sexually appealing and have no personality, it doens't mean you view real women like that. That's like saying you'll believe all men are dreamy millionaires because you watched the young and the restless.

6-Oh wait, no one gawks at this. No one stares at these for fun. they have actual porn to do that with.

1- Oh I could.

Except that their appearance is relevant to the game. Kratos is buff because of his role of soldier/turned war god/turned god slayer. Shepherd was in the military.

Many female characters' appearance has nothing to do with the plot. Their attractiveness is in no way related to the storyline.

2- Read previous point.

Men can be objectified and sexualized too. They aren't in the examples you provided, nor in any that I know of, mainly because male gamers are not attracted to male sexualization.

3-Well that's fantastic for you.

Relevance to the point that female characters are generously endowed without that having anything to do with gameplay is...

4- Fantastic for you.

Your personal opinion's relevance to this being?

5- Who claimed otherwise?

6- I'm sure not many masturbate over game characters, however, these characters' appearance is designed to be gawked at.

And people do. Especially teenage and young men, who are the biggest audience these games are targeted to.

[Dalmacie]

Of course. But we can't have any discussion around here on how X is really harmful to women without the MRA Brigade coming in and yelling "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MENZ MENZ MENZ!"

I'm just glad the King of the NSG MRAs hasn't shown up yet to explain how Ivy from Soul Calibur is guilty of "boob fraud" for not jumping off the screen and fucking him or something.

Who would that be?