Sexism in video games.

[Dakini]

kiss my ass.

...that's hot.

[Dakini]

I don't think that's generally better either. I mean, given the current demographics of this forum, if we instituted something where you get to, for instance, give up/down mods then you just get tyranny of the majority and the majority is not good right now. It would probably drive away the good posters (which would be sad, because I've been here forever and I don't want to find new forums).

It wasn't that. It was a policy they basically said, "Moderation is understaffed. If someone consistently pisses you off, be a dear and just put them on ignore. You can report them, but try not to respond if you really think they are just a troll."

Instead, we got a rule stating that posters can't discuss ignoring someone or it's punishable due to "ignore gloating."

No, you're allowed to tell someone you're ignoring them before you do it. You're not allowed to keep reminding them that you've ignored them or harass them directly with this, but you're allowed to be like "okay, we're not speaking anymore, buh bye".

[Dakini]

(which would be sad, because I've been here forever and I don't want to find new forums).

Frankly, this is why I've been saying that most of the worthwhile posters here should just fucking make one.

That requires effort. *whine*

If I'm unemployed after grad school and sitting around in Japan with little to do, I can look into something because that could be good, but I'm sort of hoping not to be in that situation (and I also don't know how much work is actually involved in that kinda thing).

[Dakini]

I did. I just don't bottom post. I interleave.

I love that there is a wikipedia entry on this and I am going to throw it at people until they interleave more.

I think there's a wiki on almost everything. If you can think of something that wiki doesn't have, you should make the page.

Your style is classier though, with your hard rules and all.

[Dakini]

No, you're allowed to tell someone you're ignoring them before you do it. You're not allowed to keep reminding them that you've ignored them or harass them directly with this, but you're allowed to be like "okay, we're not speaking anymore, buh bye".

But that's the point. We've reached the point where "I'm not speaking to you" is considered a fucking INSULT.

How fucking childish.

I haven't had many issues of the people I'm ignoring noticeably replying to me (maybe they do and just aren't quoted), but I'd probably remind someone that I'm not speaking to them if they did. I'm not sure that this would be a problem. I thought it was mostly that sometimes people were doing it without being quoted and just continuing on.

[Dakini]

That requires effort. *whine*

If I'm unemployed after grad school and sitting around in Japan with little to do, I can look into something because that could be good, but I'm sort of hoping not to be in that situation (and I also don't know how much work is actually involved in that kinda thing).

Well, as long as you get some decent mods its not too much work

I feel like it depends on the traffic and how awesome one wants to make it.

[Dakini]

I think there's a wiki on almost everything. If you can think of something that wiki doesn't have, you should make the page.

Your style is classier though, with your hard rules and all.

I'm pretty sure I made a thread, at some point since we moved to this forum, about how obviously the best way to post is to interleave(though I didn't know to call it that), multi-quote using the topic review and multiple tabs, and use the hr tag to split up quotes from different people. I don't recall it going anywhere.

I don't generally like multiquoting. I mean, you do it well because you don't reply to 20 posts at once (and I'm not sure if I've noticed you doing this when breaking down a really large post). Someone on here gets several screens worth of replies to other people in one go and whenever I'm among those I just kinda give up.

I usually feel bad because the poster who does it is generally thoughtful, but I just don't want to sort through that shit.

[Dakini]

Mario has sexism? Seriously? Unless you think the princess being kidnapped thing is sexist, which is ridiculous, then I don't know what you're talking about.

The damsel in distress trope isn't sexist?

No, apparently it's all "taken out of context".

Or maybe that was another poster who was arguing that.

[Dakini]

Japan is the fucking worst. Oh my god just the Asian gaming market holy fuck. People that deny sexism still exist just need to be pointed in Asia's general direction.

There's some degree of irony in this post.

Complains about sexism using national/racial stereotypes and generalizations about Asian cultures.

I've been to Japan and my partner lives there. They have some serious problems with sexism and xenophobia.

I mean, nowhere is perfect, but yeah...

[Dakini]

No, apparently it's all "taken out of context".

Or maybe that was another poster who was arguing that.

Thunderf00t argued that woman should be happy they get rescued at all, and that video was hailed as a "great refutation of Anita's claims."

Yeah really. That and the "feminists are the same as right-wing Christians" guy who takes 20 minutes to find a fucking point and who can't even be bothered to prop his fucking laptop up on something so we don't have to stare up his nose. They really got her number.

[Dakini]

...is this another one of those things where someone decides that everyone on the "feminist" side of a thread is secretly the same person?

Ooops, I meant to post this from my Dakini nation.

You wish.

[Dakini]

If men got kidnapped in almost every game and women always had to save them, I would complain about sexism there too. So nice attempted strawman, but it completely backfired.

I wouldn't think it was sexist either.

Says the SWM with little credibility.

Do you know why? Because that's the central point of the game. It wouldn't make sense if they suddenly made princess peach into a fat bearded guy.

Why can't Mario rescue a fat bearded guy?

If you have a problem with them doing it in the first game, consider this. By saying that you would be saying that a woman can not be saved by a man because its sexist.

No. The problem isn't that this happens in one game. The problem is that this happens in an overwhelming majority of all games.

[Dakini]

But Mario is a short plumber, not a big, strong man. Game over feminism. Thanks for playing.

Mario breaks thousands of blocks with his face

Usually he punches them. His little fist goes into the air when he jumps.

Everything else you said is correct though. I'm just feeling nitpicky.

[Dakini]

Yeah. It changes the received message from "We're sexist." to "We're sexist, and we think sexism is a joke."

I thought it was more along the lines of "look at how ludicrous sexism is", but whatever.

It's "look at how ludicrous sexism is" if they then start changing the set up. It's "we're sexist, isn't that hilarious" when they continue on.

[Dakini]

You wish.

If only I'd been founded in antiquity, then I'd be one of the cool kids.

You're cool where it counts. *nod*

Why can't Mario rescue a fat bearded guy?

Not just a fat bearded guy. A fat bearded prince of the Mushroom Kingdom.

Indeed.

[Dakini]

The video game ads are the #1 reason I use adblock on this website.


There's definitely a lot of sexism in video games.

Anita Sarkeesian has been doing a youtube series on the roles women play in video games, if you're interested.

Wow, yeah wondered how long it would take for her to come up.

So you just got here. Let me guess, we're going to get to hear you go through the entire thread like this now?

My opinion is she is the female Jack Thompson, so way to go equality there is now a female video game critic who is as hated by gamers as the worst male critic ever was. I actually, was ok with her videos right up to the part at the end when she asserts that Super Mario Brothers somehow normalizes violence against women; i mean come on thats not a stretch it's huge leap. It's there likely some sexism in games yeah probably, is there sexism in society a little undeniably, but guess what no kid thinks its ok to beat up women because they played nintendo, I mean come on it sounds a lot like the arguments used to blame violent video games for every mass shooting ever. That said, people might do well to tone down the hate a bit.

....and why am I not surprised that you missed the point and made shit up?

Also, she was hated by gamers for even daring to suggest the project in the first place. I mean, unless you launch harassment campaigns complete with rape threats against people you don't hate.

[Dakini]

You're cool where it counts. *nod*

*nods* The amount I post.

Yeah.

That and the part where you're not a jackass with stupid opinions.

[Dakini]

Fuck, much of the great literature of Western civilization is sexist.

If you view any book/art scene where a man is saving a woman as sexist, then yep

If you make strawmen then you can dismiss every opponent with ease.

[Dakini]

So do you guys still play these games? How could you enjoy something if you thought it was sexist and that sexism is bad? Wouldn't that thought constantly invade your thoughts as you're playing and prevent you from enjoying the experience?

It's possible to enjoy things even if they're problematic. Indeed, if we limited ourselves to media which weren't sexist/racist/homophobic/transphobic/etc then there probably wouldn't be much media to consume at all.

It's entirely possible to consume (and enjoy) problematic media while thinking about the broader implications in a thoughtful way. This seems to be something that a lot of people do not understand, since many here seem to be under the impression that thinking critically about something means that one is out to destroy everything and omgz!

[Dakini]

Show me some sexism in Western Literature.

.......you have GOT to be shitting me.

I don't think he's read any Western Literature.

[Dakini]

It's possible to enjoy things even if they're problematic. Indeed, if we limited ourselves to media which weren't sexist/racist/homophobic/transphobic/etc then there probably wouldn't be much media to consume at all.

It's entirely possible to consume (and enjoy) problematic media while thinking about the broader implications in a thoughtful way. This seems to be something that a lot of people do not understand, since many here seem to be under the impression that thinking critically about something means that one is out to destroy everything and omgz!

I usually do limit myself to stuff that I don't see as promoting messages I disagree with. My urge to argue with the game would prevent me from enjoying it at all.

The thing is, once you're aware of it, it's hard not to notice and since it's everywhere, it's pretty much impossible to avoid.

I mean, do I get as much enjoyment from a comedian who slips in a sexist joke as the friends I went to a comedy club who don't notice? No. Do I get as much enjoyment from the guy who came after who made fun of the first guy's sexist joke? ...probably more.

[Dakini]

People seriously think to much into games, play the fucking games and have fun. Sheesh. All this, "OH MAH GERD TEH PAYRIARKY!1!!11" is quite annoying.

Yeah, fuck everyone who doesn't set their brain on autopilot constantly.

[Dakini]

Yay. Let's just dismiss all of the issues that don't interest us. That'll solve everything.

Clearly, the blacks would have achieved civil rights a lot faster if they had simply shut up and dealt with it.

Yeah, everyone knows that when you stfu people just take you super serious and do what you want. I mean, it works for straight white men, which is why they can't stfu when anyone else asks for the same sort of consideration.

[Dakini]

Videogames...this is serious business goiz.

Are we going to pretend like media does not influence society?

Because that would be really silly.

Silly would be expecting Alaje to take women seriously in any way shape or form.

[Dakini]

Silly would be expecting Alaje to take women seriously in any way shape or form.

Shall I bring out the popcorn or do you think he'll ignore that comment?

I'm a woman so I'm not expecting him to take me seriously.