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Postby Paixao » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:37 am

Grenartia wrote:
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What?

This is wrong. If it's common knowledge it's incorrect Common Knowledge.

Slavery (and specifically the expansion of slavery into not-yet-states out to the West) was definitely a huge factor in the increase of tensions surrounding the American Civil War, but the main issue in the Civil war was secession. The North couldn't afford to allow the South to secede despite the South believing it had the right to. Not combating the South would be accepting they had seceded and that it was a lawful and legal action, encouraging the entirety of the US to disintegrate.

Slavery was a side issue. Lincoln himself was a gradual emancipist, not an abolitionist. As far as he was concerned, slavery was set to die out over time. To quote him:

"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."

Yes, he was opposed to slavery, yes he would've like to have seen it disappear from earth. However, he was a lawyer and a unionist first, and couldn't rightly find a way to make slavery illegal in the South (before they had seceded). Once they had seceded, his main interest was to reunify the United States. Slavery itself was relevant only as part of the compromise in the issue. It was not why the American Civil war was fought.

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Arguably, slavery WAS the main issue, as it was the main issue behind secession.



The Expansion of slavery was one of many arguments behind the South's desire to secede.

Everything from taxes, to militant abolitionists, to foreign policy, to arrogant overestimation of the strength of the Southern cotton economy, to how many 'ebul Republicans' were in the power was a factor. Many of these differences were tied to slavery in one way or another, or the way slavery (or a lack of it) affected the difference between the North and South's economies, but it wasn't slavery itself that was the issue.

I stand by my statement that it's wrong to say the American Civil War was about slavery. It may have been a result of slavery, but the issue at hand was definitely secession.
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Postby Oppressorion » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:52 am

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A decrease in rapes has been attributed to the advent of pornography. It seems logical to me and if it is indeed true I'd have to disagree with you.

For CP cases where the offenders have been prosecuted and somehow by the slightest chance the ( now mature ) victim agreed to it, the government should stop prosecution against the distribution of said material and rather leave it at large. If that can keep even one child safer then I say it is worth it.

EDIT: Let me put it this way: would you rather have a pedophile rub one off to the Internet stuff and satisfy his perverted needs or actually go out and do it to a child?


And what about the children being abused in the creation of child porn?

Artwork, animations, and various other fictions come to mind.

EDIT: Pah, even I got sucked into the threadjack.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:14 am

Ivory Record wrote:
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Dude, corvids make and use tools. It's not a uniquely human or even uniquely ape thing. We're not remotely as special as you think we are.


To add to that, the only tools I haven't heard of other animals using are electronics, fire, and clothing, and I stand to be corrected on all three of those points in the future, I'm certain.


Depends what you mean by use electronics.
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Postby Sociobiology » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:09 am

Neutraligon wrote:
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To add to that, the only tools I haven't heard of other animals using are electronics, fire, and clothing, and I stand to be corrected on all three of those points in the future, I'm certain.


Depends what you mean by use electronics.
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Also there many animals that use clothing.
like hermit crabs to caddisflies.

and Australian Fire Hawks use fire for hunting they just don't make fire.
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Postby Mozzissey » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:27 am

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Postby Volnotova » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:29 am

Free Soviets wrote:there are things that probably shouldn't count. like, that childhood lead ingestion caused the crime spike (and the banning of leaded gas caused the ongoing decline) seems really really solid to me. way more solid than any of the other explanations. sorry freakanomics, but crime is going down in ireland too, despite them still not allowing abortion.


Maybe there could be more reasons for the crime decrease? ;)
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Postby Republica Newland » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:32 am

Grenartia wrote:
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A decrease in rapes has been attributed to the advent of pornography. It seems logical to me and if it is indeed true I'd have to disagree with you.

For CP cases where the offenders have been prosecuted and somehow by the slightest chance the ( now mature ) victim agreed to it, the government should stop prosecution against the distribution of said material and rather leave it at large. If that can keep even one child safer then I say it is worth it.

EDIT: Let me put it this way: would you rather have a pedophile rub one off to the Internet stuff and satisfy his perverted needs or actually go out and do it to a child?


And what about the children being abused in the creation of child porn?


For CP cases where the offenders have been prosecuted and somehow by the slightest chance the ( now mature ) victim agreed to it


I know it seems highly unlikely but the thought of helping other children stay safe might just convince some people. After all, the harm has already been done, at least let it not be in vain.
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Postby Choronzon » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:53 am

Souseiseki wrote:
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Its not that big of a fucking secret on the NSG FB group. Anybody who wants to know, and is a member can see the post. If you're not a member, you can TG me your FB, and I'll put you in it. If you're not on FB, I can TG you direct links to the posts in question. However, I won't risk possibly being DOS'd myself, especially when there is NO reason for me to believe that they actively covered anything up, and that they've currently contacted the appropriate authorities.

Unlike certain people on this forum, I'm not a mod conspiracy theorist. Until I see hard PROOF that they've actively covered something up, and did NOT notify the proper authorities, I won't believe they have done anything wrong.

Are the mods perfect, god-like beings? Hell to the fuck no. They're human, like ALL of us. They're not capable of seeing EVERY FUCKING POST on the forums, contrary to what must be popular belief. But unlike popular perception, they aren't out to actively fuck over people unless they violate the rules.


viewtopic.php?p=13126925#p13126925
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it does kinda make you wonder what these posts look like in retrospect, doesn't it?

LOL THEY DIDN'T KNOW!

Except for all those times it was explicitly pointed out to them.

As far as I'm concerned, Fris is a criminal (as is any other mod who backed his decision). I don't know what else you'd call actively shielding child rapists
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Postby Republica Newland » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:03 am

Crime has been on a steady decrease for the last 20 years yet no one is taking credit for it and paranoia / fearmongering is at its' peak. If one were to listen to everything one hears on the news then he/she shouldn't even come out of the house for fear of getting shot by gun-toting Rambos and cowboys.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1 shows that the violent crime rate and murder/nonneglgent manslaughter rate are at 50% of what they were 20 years ago.
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Postby Bottle » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:07 am

Republica Newland wrote:Crime has been on a steady decrease for the last 20 years yet no one is taking credit for it and paranoia / fearmongering is at its' peak. If one were to listen to everything one hears on the news then he/she shouldn't even come out of the house for fear of getting shot by gun-toting Rambos and cowboys.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1 shows that the violent crime rate and murder/nonneglgent manslaughter rate are at 50% of what they were 20 years ago.

A general corollary of this is that whenever people hear about such-and-such crime or such-and-such disease being "on the rise," the first step should be to check if the criteria for diagnosis or conviction has recently changed.

For instance, when BMI criteria were revised to use a lower number as the cutoff for the obese range, millions of people became "obese" overnight without having gained an ounce. With crime, a lot of the time there will be revisions to criminal codes and such, so that technically the rates of a particular crime "spike" simply because now you're counting them differently.
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Postby Nadkor » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:25 am

Choronzon wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
viewtopic.php?p=13126925#p13126925
viewtopic.php?p=13126912#p13126912

it does kinda make you wonder what these posts look like in retrospect, doesn't it?

LOL THEY DIDN'T KNOW!

Except for all those times it was explicitly pointed out to them.

As far as I'm concerned, Fris is a criminal (as is any other mod who backed his decision). I don't know what else you'd call actively shielding pedophiles.


This is perfectly reasonable. There's absolutely no excuse for actively and knowingly shielding a self-confessed peadophilic, child molesting, sex tourist.

Frankly this forum needs burning to the fucking ground in light of that. And it surely must be totally unacceptable for Fris or any other mod who was involved to be allowed to continue to participate on this website.
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Postby Republica Newland » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:03 am

Bottle wrote:
Republica Newland wrote:Crime has been on a steady decrease for the last 20 years yet no one is taking credit for it and paranoia / fearmongering is at its' peak. If one were to listen to everything one hears on the news then he/she shouldn't even come out of the house for fear of getting shot by gun-toting Rambos and cowboys.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1 shows that the violent crime rate and murder/nonneglgent manslaughter rate are at 50% of what they were 20 years ago.

A general corollary of this is that whenever people hear about such-and-such crime or such-and-such disease being "on the rise," the first step should be to check if the criteria for diagnosis or conviction has recently changed.

For instance, when BMI criteria were revised to use a lower number as the cutoff for the obese range, millions of people became "obese" overnight without having gained an ounce. With crime, a lot of the time there will be revisions to criminal codes and such, so that technically the rates of a particular crime "spike" simply because now you're counting them differently.


Well I showed my source, until someone proves what you are implying there my point still stands.
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Postby Bottle » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:46 am

Republica Newland wrote:
Bottle wrote:A general corollary of this is that whenever people hear about such-and-such crime or such-and-such disease being "on the rise," the first step should be to check if the criteria for diagnosis or conviction has recently changed.

For instance, when BMI criteria were revised to use a lower number as the cutoff for the obese range, millions of people became "obese" overnight without having gained an ounce. With crime, a lot of the time there will be revisions to criminal codes and such, so that technically the rates of a particular crime "spike" simply because now you're counting them differently.


Well I showed my source, until someone proves what you are implying there my point still stands.
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Postby Augarundus » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:53 am

Free Soviets wrote:evolution is true. climate change is real and dangerous. the american civil war was about slavery.

I'm pretty sure that the historical consensus disagrees with your last point. That the Civil War, War Between the States, War against Southern Secession, War of Northern Aggression, etc. was waged primarily to abolish slavery seems as if it was the prevailing view held by the public (never serious academic historians, as far as I know), now, even in grade schools in the north (such as mine, if I remember 6th-ish grade history at all), it's pretty well known that there were alternative causes that probably outweighed slavery (things like nationalism/sectarianism and tariffs... the latter driving the former, to a great extent).


But yeah, the public's views on evolution, climate change, free trade and immigration are pretty absurd - they're all issues where the overwhelming consensus of experts runs against the commonly held beliefs of the American public.
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Postby Sheltopolis » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:02 am

Free Soviets wrote:climate change is real and dangerous


Explain how it is dangerous. Of course it is real, the Earth as been warming since the last ice age. But will humans and plants all die out? No. Will there be an apocalypse? No. Global warming is definitely better than global cooling, that's for sure.
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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:04 am

Sheltopolis wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:climate change is real and dangerous


Explain how it is dangerous. Of course it is real, the Earth as been warming since the last ice age. But will humans and plants all die out? No. Will there be an apocalypse? No. Global warming is definitely better than global cooling, that's for sure.

I'm unsure as to whether I've ever read anything more uninformed and stupid in my life.
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Postby Bottle » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:05 am

Sheltopolis wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:climate change is real and dangerous


Explain how it is dangerous. Of course it is real, the Earth as been warming since the last ice age. But will humans and plants all die out? No. Will there be an apocalypse? No. Global warming is definitely better than global cooling, that's for sure.

I weep for the state of science education.

Go to PubMed. Type in "climate change." Read. Do not come back until you can explain, in the form of a 500 word essay, all the ways in which your above post is completely and hilariously wrong.
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Postby Sheltopolis » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:05 am

Frisivisia wrote:
Sheltopolis wrote:
Explain how it is dangerous. Of course it is real, the Earth as been warming since the last ice age. But will humans and plants all die out? No. Will there be an apocalypse? No. Global warming is definitely better than global cooling, that's for sure.

I'm unsure as to whether I've ever read anything more uninformed and stupid in my life.


Care to elaborate?
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Postby Divair » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:06 am

Sheltopolis wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:climate change is real and dangerous


Explain how it is dangerous. Of course it is real, the Earth as been warming since the last ice age. But will humans and plants all die out? No. Will there be an apocalypse? No. Global warming is definitely better than global cooling, that's for sure.

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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:08 am

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Frisivisia wrote:I'm unsure as to whether I've ever read anything more uninformed and stupid in my life.


Care to elaborate?

No.
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Postby Sheltopolis » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:16 am

Bottle wrote:
Sheltopolis wrote:
Explain how it is dangerous. Of course it is real, the Earth as been warming since the last ice age. But will humans and plants all die out? No. Will there be an apocalypse? No. Global warming is definitely better than global cooling, that's for sure.

I weep for the state of science education.

Go to PubMed. Type in "climate change." Read. Do not come back until you can explain, in the form of a 500 word essay, all the ways in which your above post is completely and hilariously wrong.


http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/gornitz_09/

Why don't you read this as well.
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Postby Divair » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:18 am

Sheltopolis wrote:
Bottle wrote:I weep for the state of science education.

Go to PubMed. Type in "climate change." Read. Do not come back until you can explain, in the form of a 500 word essay, all the ways in which your above post is completely and hilariously wrong.


http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/gornitz_09/

Why don't you read this as well.

Sure. As long as you read this.

http://news.mongabay.com/2013/0328-hanc ... -heat.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... al-warming
http://thecontributor.com/why-climate-d ... -pie-chart
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/featur ... shift.html
http://www.psmag.com/environment/climat ... sus-57917/
http://abs.sagepub.com/content/57/6/699.short
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 0/abstract
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 01333.html
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... ated=false
http://hol.sagepub.com/content/3/4/367.short
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... ated=false
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 184a0.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/enviro ... rming.html
http://www.skepticalscience.com/evidenc ... ediate.htm
http://www.wunderground.com/climate/evidence.asp
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ast-anglia
http://news.discovery.com/earth/global- ... 130422.htm
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/news/independe ... ent-record
http://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/arts-cultu ... g-evidence
http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/opinion/25 ... e-must-act
http://www.time.com/time/health/article ... 02,00.html
http://ecowatch.com/2013/global-warming ... ssessment/
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/clima ... 2akj4.html
http://www.skepticalscience.com/new-res ... rated.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2 ... culus.html
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/ ... 355605.htm
http://www.earth-syst-dynam-discuss.net ... -2013.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/enviro ... ys-UN.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... ange-davos
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... ate-change
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_dat ... 9s9-7.html
http://epa.gov/climatechange/facts.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-1 ... rming.html
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/m/6/evidence.pdf
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 08441.html
http://www.climatekelpie.com.au/underst ... ed-warming
http://www.businessinsider.com/climate- ... 011-8?op=1
http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/clima ... idence.htm
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/tran ... -1.1011149
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... lobal-warm
http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 005-5352-2
http://www.pnas.org/content/97/4/1406.short
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 3/abstract
http://evidencebasedliving.human.cornel ... l-warming/
http://planetsave.com/2009/04/23/scient ... l-warming/
http://www.salon.com/2001/01/26/global_warming_2/
http://climatescientistsaustralia.org.a ... _may10.pdf
http://www.nature.com/news/at-least-thr ... ade-1.9538
http://globalgrind.com/news/national-cl ... er-details
http://planetearth.nerc.ac.uk/news/story.aspx?id=625
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2007 ... -02-02.asp
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... al-warming

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Postby Sheltopolis » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:18 am

Frisivisia wrote:
Sheltopolis wrote:
Care to elaborate?

No.


Wonderful. Criticize my comment and provide no additional information or ideas to back up your views.
"Maybe it’s not the politicians who suck; maybe it’s something else. Like the public. That would be a nice realistic campaign slogan for somebody: “The public sucks. F*ck hope.” Put the blame where it belongs: on the people. Because if everything is really the fault of politicians, where are all the bright, honest, intelligent Americans who are ready to step in and replace them? Truth is, we don’t have people like that. Everyone’s at the mall, scratching his balls and buying sneakers with lights in them."
-George Carlin

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Choronzon
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Postby Choronzon » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:19 am

Frisivisia wrote:
Sheltopolis wrote:
Explain how it is dangerous. Of course it is real, the Earth as been warming since the last ice age. But will humans and plants all die out? No. Will there be an apocalypse? No. Global warming is definitely better than global cooling, that's for sure.

I'm unsure as to whether I've ever read anything more uninformed and stupid in my life.

NSG: Constantly lowering the bar

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Sheltopolis
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Postby Sheltopolis » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:21 am

Divair wrote:
Sheltopolis wrote:
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/gornitz_09/

Why don't you read this as well.

Sure. As long as you read this.

http://news.mongabay.com/2013/0328-hanc ... -heat.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... al-warming
http://thecontributor.com/why-climate-d ... -pie-chart
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/featur ... shift.html
http://www.psmag.com/environment/climat ... sus-57917/
http://abs.sagepub.com/content/57/6/699.short
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 0/abstract
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 01333.html
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... ated=false
http://hol.sagepub.com/content/3/4/367.short
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... ated=false
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 184a0.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/enviro ... rming.html
http://www.skepticalscience.com/evidenc ... ediate.htm
http://www.wunderground.com/climate/evidence.asp
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ast-anglia
http://news.discovery.com/earth/global- ... 130422.htm
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/news/independe ... ent-record
http://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/arts-cultu ... g-evidence
http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/opinion/25 ... e-must-act
http://www.time.com/time/health/article ... 02,00.html
http://ecowatch.com/2013/global-warming ... ssessment/
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/clima ... 2akj4.html
http://www.skepticalscience.com/new-res ... rated.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2 ... culus.html
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/ ... 355605.htm
http://www.earth-syst-dynam-discuss.net ... -2013.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/enviro ... ys-UN.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... ange-davos
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... ate-change
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_dat ... 9s9-7.html
http://epa.gov/climatechange/facts.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-1 ... rming.html
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/m/6/evidence.pdf
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 08441.html
http://www.climatekelpie.com.au/underst ... ed-warming
http://www.businessinsider.com/climate- ... 011-8?op=1
http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/clima ... idence.htm
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/tran ... -1.1011149
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... lobal-warm
http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 005-5352-2
http://www.pnas.org/content/97/4/1406.short
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 3/abstract
http://evidencebasedliving.human.cornel ... l-warming/
http://planetsave.com/2009/04/23/scient ... l-warming/
http://www.salon.com/2001/01/26/global_warming_2/
http://climatescientistsaustralia.org.a ... _may10.pdf
http://www.nature.com/news/at-least-thr ... ade-1.9538
http://globalgrind.com/news/national-cl ... er-details
http://planetearth.nerc.ac.uk/news/story.aspx?id=625
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2007 ... -02-02.asp
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... al-warming


You must have had that saved somewhere. And I will read it, so this will take awhile.
"Maybe it’s not the politicians who suck; maybe it’s something else. Like the public. That would be a nice realistic campaign slogan for somebody: “The public sucks. F*ck hope.” Put the blame where it belongs: on the people. Because if everything is really the fault of politicians, where are all the bright, honest, intelligent Americans who are ready to step in and replace them? Truth is, we don’t have people like that. Everyone’s at the mall, scratching his balls and buying sneakers with lights in them."
-George Carlin

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